I'll agree that all that stuff is sexy. It does NOT, however, make the guy that HAS it sexy. If the girl isn't attracted to the guy that has it, she'll put out only as much as is necessary to get her hands on his bank account. And for a lot of unfortunate but financially successful guys, that ain't all that much.

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Ad Hominem.

So Angelina has never talked to a cafe waiter and thought.

"I like him"

Women don't get turned on by bank balances, or your job rank.

Your looks are DEFINATLY a factor.

So fame.... how do you refute ANY of my points, without refferring to your "master post", give it to me in a nutshell, WHY I AM WRONG.

Besides whats your obsession with Angelina Jolie? SHe is a hot girl with a succesful guy.

Moral of story, women like winners. True winners. Not spineless whelps who inherit money from their daddies.

Edit: Have you been to a high end club? Guys their are just as succesful as any other club, sometimes more just as often less.

I've just finished watching the PUATraining so called "Ultimate Natural Game DVD" forwarded to me by post (luckily I didn't pay for it it was just a copy).
Kezia (the HB7 featured in the PUA Training AD banners) talked about how she had been in "Ferraris" been flown by "Private Helicopter" and yet made her feel incomplete*.
Well she wouldnt have gotten into those rich mens toys, if she didnt have an "emotional reaction" to it in the first place.
Truth is Rich guys get first dibs on a better selection of women from Kezia HB7 through to Megan Fox HB10 whether you guys like it or not.

*PS-Unlike Megan Fox, Kezia now relies on the wallets of geeky guys after the failure of her Pop Career so of corse he'd say that now.

Thank you for agreeing at last.

However I'm not inheriting any money, my daddy isn't rich and my spine is perfectly in place (be careful with misfiring or wrongly guessed assumptions Fin if you wish to make it in psychology. Its not very good practice).

I didn't say you were.

The whole inheritance deal is just a demonstration of how silly it is to think money and the power that comes with money will help get women to like/love/lust you.

You made the assumption that I was talking about you and you made the assumption that my only psych background comes from PU.

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And yes that is Ad Hominem

And I disagree, my stance is exactly the same as before; your concept of power is wrong, and your attitude towards money=attraction doesn't hold water.

Fame have you considered passing your theory onto women and seeeing what they think, like say Zip, Bonita or any of your female friends or GF's.

Why are you guys wasting your time arguing this silly point? things aren't black and white. Obviously, money matters more to some women and less to others. And since money is a form of social power, obviously women are attracted to money a bit more than men are. And obviously looks do matter more to some women and less to others. Since looks are an indicator of health and fertility, obviously men place a high priority on it.
Social intelligence obviously matters also. It means good genes and ability to provide, both of which women and men want. And I would argue that it is the most important of all to survival, and therefore the most important in sexual selection.

Fame, you may be bitter from bad experiences with more materialistic women, or perhaps you are severely lacking in looks and money. This will obviously affect your life, at the very least more so than your race and culture. That doesn't mean this third aspect is unimportant.

I really can't believe anyone on this earth would argue over whether or not money makes you sexier. Of course it does. Money equals success in the modern day world. Even if you won it in the lottery or inherited it. People just automatically associate money with success.

Just because you don't like the power of money doesn't mean you have any right to deny its ability to lure all of us.

A girl will stay longer with a guy who has money than with a pretty boy. A pretty boy has no substance. Money has about as much substance as anything you will find these days.

Just because a man has money doesn't mean he has good taste or judgment in other people. Plenty of wealthy Jews were scammed by one of their own (Madoff) recently. They found him to be a real "mench". How wrong were they!

Remember, money is money. It doesn't make a person any wiser or any better. However, money does make the common man uncommon...The boring man exciting...and the average man sexy.

Hey Fin, wanna come to LA?

Money is a SIGN of power because as stated before people who have confidence and dominence tend to get more money. But which causes the attraction? is it the money or the man who has got it....

Power = social status. That has many many aspects i dont even want to go into beacause nearly any skill or material posession has some value, it is mearly how much other people see it as valuable.

Frame, if you had worded your origional post to be about how looks money and power CAN effect getting women rather than saying they are needed it would have been a lot more reasonable because for the many good points raised here they can be a contributing factor. EVERYTHING is a contributing factor. Your seem to be talking about attraction as on or off... I personally think its more of a scale from hating someone to loving them. All interaction (both concious and subconcious) moves that scale one way or the other.
Hell, i like the power of money and thats why i have a career plan and intend to get quite a large sum of it.
Another way of wording what I am trying to get through.
Again a VERY true statement, people do what they need to do to get what they want. If a person wants money they will screw an old man to get rich.
Yes, because by your own argument what if he had looks and power? thats 2/3 in your argument. Refer to what i said about attraction NOT because on or off.

Frame, this is just a guess but did some1 with looks money and power sweep a girl you were into off her feet?

Bla bla bla. Frame it sounds like you are either running into a lot of gold diggers or are just down on your luck. But either way you do not need money to attract girls. If this was the case then getting girls would be a hell a lot easier and PU as we know it would not even exist. Case in point Hugh Hefner started Playboy pretty much on loans after the Great Depression. And he was able to get girls to pose for him when he had no real money of his own.

Far from it, I can get "women in general" at the drop of a hat. BUT what I was reffering to was HIGH QUALITY WOMEN

Celebrity is the pinicle of getting those High Quality women, and to quote a prevous repy, not those so called "HB10 Skanks" (read HB5s) you pull from your local dive.
I don't care what Madals says that; "HB10" he says he pulled, must have been pretty damn heavy to have broken his legs to put him in a wheelchsir.

Kezia from PUATraining is no Rachel Stevens (in looks or Pop star achievements- for USA customers she was in "S Club 7" or youtube Rachel Stevens) shes a HB7 compared to Rachel Stevens HB9.

Back to the point Im glad you mentioned Entreprenuership. Im am working on a wealth plan, saved a heck of a lot of money and in the eyes of the local female populace- I am eligable I guess.
One PUA who will remain anonymous- did actually level with me- when i discussed in a 6 hour bootcamp- women (at the end of the day) are about money.
So why isnt he telling everyone else this?
a) He'd lose business and people would question his fee.
b) Whilst women are about money- its more to do with Social Economics, which is tied in with Emotional Investment- very complicated and Bibles have been written on the subject.
c) Some people aren't ambitious, will accept whatever piece of ass they end up with (good or bad) and dont mind struggling with lack of assets and wil get aggressive if you point it out to them

as you guys need to stop watching Disney Films or worse, listening to the Marketing Bump in PUA. I've never seen
a) a PUA pull let alone date, or sleep with a A,B,C or D class celebrity. Strauss's Britney Interview doesnt can't as she has Bipolar so will sleep with anything- its part of her Mental Condtion- not Strauss's Game. Gambler having his photo taken with Paris Hilton? So what- she takes her photos with any friendly passing fan.
b) sleep with a HB10. Ok so some bootcamps feature HB helpers, BUT they arent HB10s. If they are then some Vogue Models I saw walking out of modelling agency must have been HB14 and HB16 (you know High Class Women Im talking about?). As mentioned I was with a top 5 PUA who "can pull any woman he likes"- and asked him to approach. He replied "After You". Proof that PUA doesnt hold a candle to Looks, Money, Power or Celebrity.
c) Been a celebrity or Rockstar themselves. PUAs over egg their achievements, their so called "celebrity game" (a skanky High Street Honey is NOT a celebrity- Ive fucked two girls who've appeared in the High Street Honey Directory- but they arent the best looking girls in my city).
d) Worked at Burger King on a hourly wage. Why do PUAs (and Im talking about ones that actually make a difference- ie get laid) charge so much. Its so they can maintain their own jet set lifestyles- so they can pull high class women outside of their league (looks, moeny or power)

Even you "poor guys" who don't currently have money- must be doing something that attracts- attractive women that is related to money.

A poor ass student £10,000 in debt may not sound attractive- however if he is training to be a doctor and is only 18 years old- women think "He still has time- he must be a good INVESTMENT" Why would a woman back a losing (or lying) horse unless- her highly sensitive, highly accurate, internal intuition was screwed up?

Fame2advancement, if your saying the PUA industry is a scam, then go ahead and say it, I don't think anyone wants to argue. Most people here are not paying a dime (I certainly wouldn't) so it does not really matter.

But I think you're saying something much more controversial...and a little hateful. You are saying that women are basing decisions primarily of money, and therefore all self improvement with regards to personality are useless.

And I think you've lost sight of something very important. Women are your fellow fucking human beings. Are you trying to tell me your mother and your sisters are soulless, money chasing leeches, glorified prostitutes?

Please tell me you are NOT trying to say that, and then clarify what you are trying to say.

AHAHAHA, HAHAHAHHAHAHA, AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

For some unknown reason I still have hope you will understand and therefore will explain why, but tbh once you start making blank non-factual statements you lose all credability. If you knew a damn think about me you would know that I have a disability that causes me to have brittle bones and i have had it since birth! I have broken a bone simply from falling akwardly in the past. But thats beside the point, beleive whatever the hell you want because at the end of it I know the truth and I am the one with a great life and even better plan for the furture, but hey, thats probably a trailer park with a HB2 in my bed, right?

You see all you have done now is made yourself look VERY silly by making statements like: THATS YOUR OPINION! What you are suggesting is that EVERYONE is attracted to the same things and if you cant see how idiotic that statement is then i pitty you. People are all attracted to different things, what you might think is a HB10 someone else might think is a HB6, if you dont beleive me go look at some list of the 100 sexiest women of 2008 or whatever, I sure as hell dont agree with some of the listings.


Madals

Right, i suddenly realised in random conversation a perfect example of where ur theory is very very wrong.


Richard Branson (the man in the middle) is the 236th richest man in the world (estimated 4.4 billion US dollars in 2008) . The picture is him at the premire of casino royal. So thats power to get into a place like that.. he has also gone round the world in a baloon a few times and owns his own island home and he isnt ugly... so by your theory he should be dating the most beautiful women in the world?
His wife is the women on the left of him... not my picture of an HB10.

Care to explain that one?

Madals

This issue is being beaten to death and yet you kids are still stuck on absolutes. I just don't get it. Why do so many of you lack the mental capacity to realize the importance of certain things in its own right? Adam Sandler does the Shampoo is better than conditioner as A JOKE people. You kids are actually serious.

I know plenty of wealthy people who have less than HOT long term mates. Some have game, some don't. In terms of Branson, is there anybody here who would doubt that Branson could score some of the hottest Hollywood babes if he wished to do so? It's a choice. . . and he's got em'.

To the OP, I think you would agree that money is NOT game. Fame is NOT game. Good looks are NOT game. If these things were "game", we would call them GAME but we don't. You still have to be interesting. You still have to be a conversationalist. You still have to be able to offer intellectual excitement. You still have to offer lots more than just your simplified formula.

Madal, you've obviously never been to a party in a mansion. Maybe some yahoos seek value or status through timber and sheetrock? There's no way you'll ever figure out what's in the mind of others so I don't really give a damn about what others think. Mansion parties are fun as HELL. Being inside it simply is more comfortable and fun. A dip in the pool, parties in the game room, a kitchen where the entire party can hang out and chat while the chef makes whatever the hell you want. It's healthier because everything is cleaner. With money, you actually get to spend MORE TIME quality time with your partner as opposed to TIME ROBBERS, ie cleaning, cooking, washing, . . . How about all the leisure that money affords? Would you rather get to know your loved one better on a yacht in the Riviera or would you rather hump while sitting on your rusty washing machine on the spin cycle? What do you think she would rather have? Don't you think women know this? With money, their offspring is off to a much better head start.

Some of you are so lost in this game. . . "Money is just a representation of power so we'll just frame ourselves to be powerful. My inner strength is powerful so . . . I'll get the chicks. . . . blah, blah . . " Guys, there is a PHYSICAL World that exists. Go ahead and think of yourself as some Alpha confident guy all you want. Go ahead and learn the AMOG lines and put those other guys down. Ooh . . .tough guy . . .ha ha . . . you really showed those other guys that you're an alpha through a comic routine. Well, if you're a poor schmuck with no financial, professional future, and you lack ACTUAL powers that might help you gain any of this, you're just lying to yourself. . . which is OK . . . but you're also lying to everybody else and quality girls . . . they can smell you a mile away. The minute you walk out of that bar and you're riding your moped home and the guys you just amoged hop into that European sports car, YOU ARE DONE. Go back home and eat your mac and cheese. (alone)

The game is a GAME. It's just a dumb game where you chat with some girls and hopefully get yourself an opportunity to know each other better. Well what do you want them to know about your REAL LIVES now? Good luck and have fun trying to secure that beautiful, intelligent, professional, successful girl as a "NOTHING" but a guy who read a few manuals on picking girls up. . . oh and that strong "inner-self".

I actually ride a Kawasaki Ninja =P

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