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 Post subject: Summary 4
PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:21 pm 
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Tease the target & DHV (leader, carer etc.), never DLV. Be attainable but don't do IOIs: As stated guys can't see them. When he has IOId you 3 times, and you are 3 minutes in give him SOIs in a push/pull style (as rewards for being funny/interesting etc.), e.g. 'I like you, you're wierd'.
Spend most of the interaction screening the target, knowing that you can walk away if if doesn't measure up.

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 Post subject: Summary 5
PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:30 pm 
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Investment: These tactics are designed to get him to invest time, effort & emotion. If you create a frame where he can chase you & he doesn't. Well done you have succesfully screened out another guy who only wanted to fuck you. When if discovers that as well as being got you are a funny, intelligent, high value girl that he can connect with, his attraction will increase. Thus he will invest more.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:06 am 
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The more someone invests in something the more valuable that thing becomes to them. Compare a beautiful dress or pair me shoes that you save up for for ages & buy. Then the next day someone buys you the exact same dress. Which would you value more? The one you saved up for of course. You have a stronger connection to it because you invested time, effort and maybe even sacrificed something for it.

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 Post subject: Closing
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Sweet. I've summarised the debate so far. Please feel free to suggest edits/additions.
So, how should a girl close? 'I have to go now, how can we continue this?' or 'I'm off to rejoin my friends now, but before I go you're about to ask me something.' And, should she get his number then call text straight away (MM), or give her number to him qualifying attraction e.g. 'I never normally do this...'

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I seriously can't tell how much of this thread is a joke and how much is serious.

Girls don't need to "DHV." They don't need to be standoffish. They don't need to sneak in sideways to talk to a guy without spooking him. Girls are like Mastercard, mmkay? They're ACCEPTED EVERYWHERE. Let the guy know you're into him, kino him up, and be friendly.

What's with trying not to appear needy? Watch this video, gaiz:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddT2QmVnJiQ[/youtube]

...and pay special attention to 0:36. Is that desperation not HOT?! Hell, a "shy girl admitting a crush" approach is probably the most consistently effective approach a girl can use. No man can resist its allure. NONE. What's the guy gonna do? Shoot down the shrinking violet? FUCK NO. That's impossible.

Girls, watch this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1A0p0F_iH8[/youtube]

Yeah. IT'S LIKE THAT.

Shit, THIS could probably work:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFSy2Gl8YnM[/youtube]

GODDAMMIT.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:27 am 
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this is what works for me.

eye contact, break EC, EC, break EC, smile

the guy then comes over to me
I don't agree. I think your model friend should just go up to the guy and say "hey I’ve only got a sec, I liked your vibe thought id say a really quick hi!" But keep her distance almost put up a wall between them, like she couldn't care at all, she’s just being very friendly and then she should leave and come back later once or twice, say hi to everyone be polite! Talk with the guy, tell some story’s, ask him for his opinion, but again as if there was a wall between them, she has to keep it really casual without indicating any interest, because he can be over validated and reject the girl even tho he really didnt want to. Then ask the guy for the number to go shopping! or something again off handed or casual, don't look in his eyes too much or make it seem like you want him, otherwise he will pull back... I’m talking about “non switched on” men here! Which is 90% of them!

Women need to be able to do this, or they miss out on the men they like all the time because of their perceived social value bullshit! its time they woke up and learned a thing or two about us! im sick of women opening me and not being able to ask me for my number it annoys me to FUCK! because they are running game they have to do it, im waiting for it and waiting for it and i get the "sooooo what food do you like" bullshit... Women need to be able to know they are worth it.

If any women are reading this, learn some game, its seriously annoying guys! You are not the best thing since boxed toothpaste and your social club stuff bores me! It really seriously does, i dont want a girl that thinks shes all that.. your ego makes me want to fuck you and show you off to my friends, THATS IT! It attracts me but hurts you!

If you expect me to go and get your number and use my game know this, I do it all the time!!!!!! ALL THE TIME!! to allot of women and i don't care about the result unless i end up shagging you, then ill probably make you my best friend, love you to bits and take care off you while im asking your best friend out! Its not that I hate you or that im bad natured, i just want you to make it special, if you like me and you let me know in a non greedy and needy way which makes me want to run for my life and freak out! if you make the moment special and if you ask me out and ask for my number, ill be like wow.. like.... no women do that.. thats amazing.. i love this girl! i have to treat her right and she may just get a relationship with me!

Don’t expect us to come up to you when we have other women who we are talking to! Dont give us stupid glances and expect us to know, usually when your looking at us its when we are talking to girls far hotter then you anyway, and we dont care! we notice it and see it off the back of our eyes, and its like yeah she likes me because now she notices im cool, but before she just thought i was just another guy! would i really spend my time with a girl like that? i mean asside from sex and stuff leading up to it? do you really think that makes you special? What we as men want is a girl to come up to us and like us before she even has a chance to notice or feel anything about us, to discover us before anyone else does immediately, in a casual way. Sure sex will come dont worry, we love sex, not as much as women but we really do like it. When we are dating or out you need to bring out maternal instincts in us to keep you around, take us to a child clothing store or something bizzare where men have never enterd! show us things, make us go.... woah.. freaky.. but i like it! Make sure you don't brag. Be open, but don't give away everything, let us know your not SPAM everything, dress well, learn to walk, allot of women cant walk for shit, learn to care and seem alive not boring, allot of women just act as if they are all that and they don’t care you feel their over confidence, i want to puke in their face on sight! learn to be posh, feminine, expensive, we love the prize, so be the prize all the time!ll boost our ego, see past social crap and act on it, and we will treat you like a princess. Watch our ego, don't let it get too high or we will treat you like crap, feel where the balance is and make sure it stays there.. Learn to relax us, to calm us down, learn to ignore when we are nervous and any other bullshit, know that thats not us, we are coming from a logical frame into a emotional frame.. keep us on our journey and we will make you happy! After a while of that You will feel a presence of a real man growing! We want to be the best, we want to master everything and be perfect, we are men and want to have you hanging off our arm! DONT TEST US! the second we discover your acting in sneaky feminine ways, we drop you like a sack of shit! I can feel when a woman is doing stuff to make me like her better, its a bitter sweet feeling, i feel manipulated, its wrong, yet my body responds with more attraction. Don't do it! Don't play head games!

Or the alternative........... you can wait.... go from boyfriend to boyfriend like a band scout, get the better deal and compete for the best deal ie a Venusians artist like myself. But i doubt you’ll get me, your competition is far better to start with in every way, they have all the superficial features that matter! Sorry but that’s how it is, you can't win like that. You will end up dumping your bf, husband, whoever to be with me and it won't be enough, you will chase and hate me for it, but I could never comit...because I know the second I do, I would have fallen for your trap... Venusian artists are just as poisoned as you once were, always scouting for the best woman, because this industry has tought that that’s what’s right! We based "the game" on your arrogance as women, now you will suffer for it unless you all change it. The power is in the hands of the woman not the man. We follow the stuff you like, in sales terms "if women like it, then men buy it".

Most men play by the rules of women, these rules are called "the game". Thats the stuff that prevents them from coming up to you directly and saying the truth ie "id like to fuck you, thats all". Its the social bullshit you guys created and we are playing well by it. The very few of us have the confidence and the ability and power in ourselves to pull that line off honestly, without getting our head ripped off. Those very few of us, are taken! by at the very least 2 other women.

Effort is key ladies, If you don't think any of the above is your role and you believe men should come "stock" like that, with all the goods then you guys are going to be in a major loosing battle! if all guys were confident and could make any women’s dreams come true, then they would always pick the best looking once, the most interesting once, the most fun once every single time! you guys are screwing yourself right over with your own perceptions of social conditioning. Finally one day if you do capture one and you wake up in the morning, you will notices hes gone and just not that into you.

Moral of the story, go out, meet the guy YOU, like! and get his number! Believe it or not, by doing that, you are changing society!

That’s my heart felt, deep opinion anyway.

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i liked jow they did it in grade school "my friend thinks your cute and might like you"


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:56 pm 
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Girls don't need to "DHV." They don't need to be standoffish. They don't need to sneak in sideways to talk to a guy without spooking him. Girls are like Mastercard, mmkay? They're ACCEPTED EVERYWHERE. Let the guy know you're into him, kino him up, and be friendly.
I disagree. Girls do need to DHV or qualify themselves. Because I am not just going to go out with just any girl I meet. I will only go out with girls I think are worth my investment. And therefore a girl needs to DHV or at least qualify her self to me. As she has to show she is worth it. And girls for the most part know how to be a PUA anyway, which in a way makes this thread in a way a "joke".
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...and pay special attention to 0:36. Is that desperation not HOT?! Hell, a "shy girl admitting a crush" approach is probably the most consistently effective approach a girl can use. No man can resist its allure. NONE. What's the guy gonna do? Shoot down the shrinking violet? FUCK NO. That's impossible.
Desperation or neediness is a turn off to me.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:03 pm 
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After reading through some of this, it is apparent why guys are so confused. The women who post here don't even agree, and they're asking about what we want!?! :shock:
Everyone wants something different when it comes to the opposite sex.
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When you get lost come back to the (very) basics. Guys want the approval of women. If you like him show you approve of him. When you can support his side of a discussion, compliment his choices, and his intelligence when appropriate. Try not to side against him as much as possible.
I thought a PUA doesn't seek the approval of girls only AFC guys do?
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If you find it hard to do so then you and he aren't right together. When you say and do things that show your disapproval it turns him off. The effect is magnified if you do so in front of others. The more things you find about him that you approve of then the more likely you two will be compatible. Every time you act disapproving you reinforce in his mind that you aren't the one he's looking for. It's very simple, but hard to do. Some people are just naturally argumentative, it hurts them more than it helps them.
I know I am argumentative, but this more out of me wanting to learn than anything else. Tho I can see for me how it can be a downside and how it can hurt me. Saying that I do have to agree with what you said. Because if a girl doesn't show interest in me I am bound to think she isn't interested and I move on to the next girl.


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