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Chief I agree with everything in your post 100% until you do the edit.

Are women really a hobby? Is that a healthy way to approach another human being?

I understand your compansion and love for another women, but do you need to LOVE all women in order to fall in love with one. I think that looking at ALL women with extreme love is objectifying. Each women is different. In our society it's important to treat them as individuals not as objects. The swimmer is in LOVE with an action, and not a person.
I read somewhere that love is not an emotion but a desire to give or receive attention. Right now I think your definition of love is different than Chief's. Sure, you can admire women for everything that makes them womanly, but you love women for what makes them different.

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I agree with about 99.9% of everything said in this thread.

We should not want to pick up for any other purpose than a genuine love for women.

We should not be in this to hit some master pick up artist or hit a claim to fame.


Which is why I dislike the concept of a pick up artist in general.


We should all ask ourselves before we fuck a girl, are we doing it for the number? or for the pure joy in sharing something with a woman.



I use to experiment with the zen buddhist concepts about killing the ego over the summer.

In the end, there needs to be a balance, between the super-ego (the parent) and the ego. That is the .1% disagreement that I have for this thread.

Because it does take a level of self-delusional confidence to live the fast paced lifestyle of fucking like a rockstar.

But it does take humility to sit the fuck down and learn and recognize errors in your life/gamestyle.

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lol I love how ironic this thread is :P
But yeah, this thread is entirely ego based in the sense that we are not egotistical.

Nice call Doc lol.

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Just thought I'd bump this thread as I don't think everyone has read it.


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For the guy who says he hates women because they think can control sex or w/e; It's normal for women to do that it's a simple principle of offer/demand.. they get so much demand so they can afford to do that and you would probably do the same if you were in their shoes.

I used to be jealous of women because sex seemed so easy for them until I realized it was just easy because they were young and beautiful. We both know when they get older it's another story. For them it's downhill from age 18 but for us it's uphill from age 14 or around that; you can only get better with time!! I love women but I prefer being a man ;-P


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Thank you so very much for this post. It was a wake up call for sure. I saw myself in a LOT of the qualities you mentioned. And now that I'm aware of it it's like I'm already changing. My priorities were all messed up, pretty sad if you think about it...
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That why I stick to posting advice on body language and health and fitness everything else I am terrible (to say the leaast at) and need alot of work on.


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Alright, so here's a bigass wake-up call to the majority of the people on this forum. I will not just sit back and watch this forum go down the toilet as a bunch of KJs allow themselves to represent this site.

As many of you may already know, a lot of what I preach has a lot to to with taming your ego. Why? Simply put, allowing your ego to guide you holds you back in ways you can't even imagine. Your ego is by far the greatest obstacle in self-improvement, mastering the pickup arts, and your overall path to self-actualization.

Virgins with less than a dozen forum posts are hanging out in the PUA chat all day giving advice and making themselves sound better at game than they actually are. People are posting routines they write up before field-testing them. Lay reports are more often than not sounding like brag reports. Newbies are asking questions, getting answers, but choosing not to go out and do what they know they need to do. Intermediate PUAs log on every day to get their fix off of giving advice without moving forward themselves. Both newbies and intermediates are complaining about how other AFCs that they know aren't willing to become their students.

I am not exempt from guilt. Every single person, including myself, on this planet has at some point in their lives allowed the egos to determine their actions. Even when guys are just starting off, they're starting off the wrong way, having their egos motivate them. Because of this, I pledge to consistently try to remain conscious of my ego and constantly work to keep it in the back seat.

If you see someone like Mystery on the VH1 show and think, "Wow, I want to be able to pick up any girl I see. I want other guys to envy me and see me as some sort of super-powered Casanova," you're fucking starting out on the wrong foot.

If you hear about how guys go around making out with random chicks within 30 seconds and think "Wow, I want that superpower so other guys can envy me," you're in the wrong mindset.

If you find yourself giving a bunch of advice to people when you haven't even tried half the stuff you're preaching in the field, you're doing it just so other guys can look at you and say, "Wow, you're amazing!" Fuck that shit.

Do all that stuff and you may fool other guys, but guess who you're NOT fooling? You're not fooling girls. THEY can smell the stench of ego-motivated behavior from a mile away and it stinks as bad as desperation. Wonder why you're not getting laid? It's because the girls can sense, "Oh, it feels like he needs to validate his ego off of me. Ew. How objectifying. What a creep."

Guess who else you're not fooling? Yourself. This is even more important because it makes you feel unworthy on a deeper level and constructs all these ridiculous success barriers that you may never even see.

Become the best man you could possibly be while humbling yourself to the fact that you currently are not at that level. Help your fellow brothers who are on the same path as you, but know that all men on this same path are equals, so give advice in a way that primarily helps others pull themselves up instead of doing it in a way that forces them to look up to you. That's a community.

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I am adding a much-needed second part to this post.

OK, so if your ego isn't going to be your motivation, WHAT IS? What is going to fuel your desire for practicing this wonderful hobby? Whatever happened to becoming the best man you can be? Doesn't "best" kinda imply ego-driven goals? Sure, you should be driven by a desire to sincerely improve yourself, and yes that is a necessary component (after you remove the ego, of course), but there is something else...

Whatever happened to a genuine love for women? Here's a post straight out of my blog:
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I was having a conversation with one of my pledge brothers today and he was asking me why I do this whole pickup thing.

I remember when I first started liking girls. I was really young - second grade. My first crush was this blonde girl named Jessica, and that's all I remember about her. From that early age I started developing a deep appreciation for feminimity and for both the pain and joy it brings to my life. I learned to really love women. Seriously, I love women to death now. I think they're the most beautiful creations on the face of this planet, physically, mentally, spiritually. I am grateful for pickup; it showed me how to express my appreciation for such beauty without being a creeper lol.

My pledge brother was under the impression that I saw women as objects, and he brought it up when I was comparing pickup to a hobby that he liked to do, swimming.

I told him that, like pickup, the reason a swimmer would continue swimming after he had achieved all he wanted to achieve (mastering the discipline, winning trophies and competitions, etc.) would be because he simply loved to swim.

"OK, so if pickup is to women as swimming is to water, wouldn't that mean you're treating women as things?" he asked. By his logic, water is a thing, and according to that analogy, a woman would also be a thing.

I poured my heart out when I replied, connecting to that part of me that really felt a loving passion for the female half of our species, "No. Even though I'm not a swimmer, I can imagine that if I were a swimmer who was really passionate about swimming, I wouldn't see water as a thing. I'd look out into the ocean and I wouldn't just see WATER. I'd see a partner. Every droplet of water that touches my skin when I'm moving through that ocean would be a little taste of enlightenment. And I would feel on a gut-level that the ocean was actually HAPPY for me to swim in it."

"Touche."
We can't be so egotistical as to shine the spotlight of focus exclusively on ourselves in this performance art. The audience is one of the most important parts.
GOOD POST!

I started pick because i was the short fat D&D playing computer geek. I have been through many phases and I watched the same thing happen at mASF. The KJ's took over, However it also made it possible for people to shine through because they gave and gave and the KJ's just took.

The KJs wanted every routine and pattern known to man and will hound the shit out of you for them. eventually the PUAs who actually practiced and earned their rep said alright but it will cost you.

The sad part about the community is the amount of people that actually want to improve but they are stuck; they lack the motivation; they lack the will power; they are just good old fashioned scared to walk into a club by themselves(my first time was terrifying to me.) but it is ego that keeps people from taking the fist step.

I have seen people who advertise that they coach who could not open a set. On the Flip side I have seen seriously famous PUAs have nights where their AA is so bad they just stood there.

The thing that i think separates a KJ from a PUA is how he deals with his fears of looking stupid.

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Fantastic post...

I just started in on Tolle's work, and so far it's awesome.

I myself have a HELL of a long way to go to the top, but I think I'm at least moving in the right direction. Only time will tell.

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I am the man you have written about, i am driven by ego.
Thank you for helping me understand that, and i will start trying to approach pickup (and perhaps even life, in general) from a non-egotistical way.
Hopefully, with success.


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Chief you mentioned you love women. I hate women. I hate the way they think they need to be treated better than men. How they think they control sex. Not going to lie.
Im with this guy, I dont know why but when I see a woman they way I talk to them is different as if I was talking to a guy, for example my cousin who I havnt seen for a while came over with her bf. I actually treated my cousin like crap while I was being nice to the bf. Am I suppose to AMOG her bf and respond to my cousin like Im a bad ass PUA? This whole thing with controling my frame and being a bad ass is really confusing me SPAM

Im glad you posted this thread Chief because the 1st time I heard about hte community it was for personal growth and I really do want to try and master my ownself. How can I tell if my ego talking rather then the real me?

My family is doing some fundrasing tomorrow and my cousin asked if I was going to wake up early and help out, I would help because I care but this whole PUA thing of being a bad ass made me think it was a shit test/ a compliance test, so I replied with whats in it for me?... Is that ego? Im having difficulty spotting my ego!!

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2 things; how can you spot a KJ? and what does KJ stand for :P

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2 things; how can you spot a KJ? and what does KJ stand for :P
keyboard jockey
someone who has no life who spends all their time on the forum
a "social robot"

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2 things; how can you spot a KJ? and what does KJ stand for :P
keyboard jockey
someone who has no life who spends all their time on the forum
a "social robot"
KJ is not social robot. KJ is some who reads advice and gives it to other people without actually doing it themselves.
one part I forgot to mention mate

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I think the ego sometimes gets in everyone's way, no matter how good you are... so before EVERY post I submit I'm always asking myself:
"Am I offering USEFUL advice here and am not just bragging?"
and
"Is this advice coming from hands-on experience or did I read it somewhere and haven't tried it out YET?"

If it's not then I refrain from posting.


btw, do you think it's wrong to want approval from friends? I mean, it's not my core motivator of course... (it's self-improvement, having choices with awesome woman and eventually settling down with MY idea of a 10) but you gotta admit, it feels awesome when you pull a girl in front of your friends. ;)

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