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Thank you for your comment, but two things. Number 1 you can make protecting yourself, such as reputation a focus. Number 2, you seem like you accept reality too much and don't think about creating new realities.
Ah mate, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make the bugger drink. Sure you can make protecting yourself a focus, but it'll waste your own time and not get you hot girls. Or you can learn to deal with rejection and get hot girls. Choice is yours :) everyone gets rejected, indirect or direct, the biggest players or the biggest noobs. You can accept reality or you can bury your head in the sand and post over 700 angry comments on a pua forum ;)

As for the rest, pumpington and poeticlyskuac have their feet on the ground and some good ideas for you - I don't fancy repeating all of what they've said just to have a voice in this thread, but you should take their advice.
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Why do you ask questions for answers you've already figured out? I don't get it. You already began this redundancy in another thread. Look . . . we get it. You've been hurt. This hurt drives you. You'd like to shove some fear to others. Just go do it. You don't need our approval. In fact, your primary goal isn't even pick up. Read your own posts and think about how much of it leads to pick up
This is the real issue here. You don't get girls and aren't happy, and yet still write hugely long posts arguing your points and attacking other posters personally. You make my head spin with how you can be so certain about your own bad ideas, when every other poster is telling you you're wrong.

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attacking other posters personally.
I don't attack anyone personally. I just respond with the same tone that I am spoken to with.


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Why do you ask questions for answers you've already figured out? I don't get it.
I asked three questions. 1.) How do you attract a girl without showing interest. 2.) How do you get out of no-man's land when you have shown interest and a girl is not attracted yet? and 3.) How do you approach and minimize your chances of getting rejected?


Instead of answering these questions, posters have criticized me. My motives have been ridiculed and my objectives(my goals) have been doubted. I don't need your opinion on what i want, all i want is strategy. All I want to know is how to handle situations.

Tell me how to handle these situations. Tell me how to achieve my objections. Or. Or just shut up!

Anything else I don't want to hear or I would have asked for it. Perfect reasoning.


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Why do you ask questions for answers you've already figured out? I don't get it.
I asked three questions. 1.) How do you attract a girl without showing interest. 2.) How do you get out of no-man's land when you have shown interest and a girl is not attracted yet? and 3.) How do you approach and minimize your chances of getting rejected?


Instead of answering these questions, posters have criticized me. My motives have been ridiculed and my objectives(my goals) have been doubted. I don't need your opinion on what i want, all i want is strategy. All I want to know is how to handle situations.

Tell me how to handle these situations. Tell me how to achieve my objections. Or. Or just shut up!

Anything else I don't want to hear or I would have asked for it. Perfect reasoning.
What the hell? I gave you a tactic, be high value so you get more interest, learn to read attraction, respond to her attraction. That is it, very simple game, I practice it all the time, of course you ignored the post. I even explained compliments and how there is a certain style to them. You've literally completely ignored those answers and we moved to this other argument because you don't have any understanding of the underlying issue when it comes to your tactics, they require confidence and that is something you don't have. Thus we explained the concept of coming from high value and etc.

When I mentioned things initially to help you it was ignored, I wasn't giving you guess work I was giving a general concept based on real life courtship and studies. I don't know what more you want from me.

Good Luck in all your future endeavors. I'm done with this conversation as you didn't even accept what I brought you instead you fought it.

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Why do you ask questions for answers you've already figured out? I don't get it.
I asked three questions. 1.) How do you attract a girl without showing interest. 2.) How do you get out of no-man's land when you have shown interest and a girl is not attracted yet? and 3.) How do you approach and minimize your chances of getting rejected?

Instead of answering these questions, posters have criticized me. My motives have been ridiculed and my objectives(my goals) have been doubted. I don't need your opinion on what i want, all i want is strategy. All I want to know is how to handle situations.

Tell me how to handle these situations. Tell me how to achieve my objections. Or. Or just shut up!

Anything else I don't want to hear or I would have asked for it. Perfect reasoning.
^This is also a decent routine for you. The know-it all advice seeker asshole. So you meet a Orthopedic Doctor and you ask her, "1. My shoulder hurts. 2. How do I fix it?"

She tells you, "Every situation is different but let's check your range of motion. . . let's try putting some weight on it. Well I think it could be a rotator cuff issue but you should probably get yourself an MRI."

This is your time to shine!

I told you 1.) My Shoulder hurts 2.) How do I fix it. Instead of telling me how to fix it, you're pulling my shoulder all over the place, putting weight on it, and telling me to get an MRI! Tell me how to fix it or just SHUT UP!

Again, this is the important part of your routine. ALWAYS remember. . . after you do the know it all, too stupid to know how stupid I am act, it's important to laugh and offer a high five to break both parties into hug and laughter.

Including the Chewbacca act, I've now offered you three strategies. . .


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You make confidence sound like a choice and confidence is about as much of a choice as building a house is a choice.

Now that American Pyscho example was bad. That is just an example of pride and weird rationality. Its pride to think you have to always be better than someone. Its weird reasoning to a business card is something to fight over
Your ego isn't how you think of yourself your ego is your need for attention basically.
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e·go
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the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.


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Now that is a direct definition. Here is a great article on the ego. http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm Hopefully you can see where I am coming from after reading this and understand what I am talking about.

Confidence is absolutely a choice, building a house is a choice as well, just like confidence it requires you learning a lot of different things to create the right house with a proper firm foundation and to your style. You choose to build your confidence through your actions or you choose to hurt confidence through your actions and mental awareness (lack there of). It is absolute conscious effort.

I agree it was weird but bad it is not. HIS EGO CONTROLS HIS ACTIONS LIKE YOUR EGO CONTROLS YOUR MINDSET. Egos are something you need to keep in check. It wasn't a reason to fight over it was literally him killing him because his business card was nicer. It was his lust for being the best. The ego is just as irrational with most of it's emotions why do you care if someone thinks of you a certain way? Or if you have a worse business card? How does it actually effect the value you hold on yourself?

If you think you can break me down you've never actually met someone like me. People give words value, I do not. People take things personally I don't care. Go watch my videos call me stupid whatever I don't think you could possibly ever break me down. This is something you don't seem to understand I understand interrogation, I understand finding someone's life source and taking away. Embarrassing, humiliating, taking everything including intimacy away.

I understand more then you do about using the power of imposing fear on others. You can't break someone when you don't matter, I understand more about then mind you realize. Let me tell you how bad I was at a point I was referred to as Victator the Dictator (my name is Victor). I once had a contest to see how many people I could make cry in a month (6) at work. (Not something I'm proud of). A manager pissed me off once and at that moment I decided to make her cry and did. It isn't hard to do that to somebody but when you understand their tactics they lose their affect. When you have confidence it doesn't matter, nothing else does. It really has been the best thing I've ever worked on.

I understand perception and why it is important to know what you are going to be perceived as but at the same time I will never let anyone influence what I perceive myself as. This should be your perception of confidence. Every judgement of you is based off a behavior, a behavior isn't who you are, it isn't your value, you give yourself your value and other people will agree if you have social skills.

Peace and Love,

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Confidence is not a conscious choice. Confidence is more a product of your experiences. If you don't understand this you will always be too hard on people and including yourself.

The ego is nothing more than how you think of yourself. It is your identity. You're ego is not what must be kept in check, its your behavior that must be kept in check. On the inside you should feel like a giant. http://www.amazon.com/Awaken-Giant-With ... 0671791540 The problem is not the ego. The problem is self-discipline.

Everyman can be broken and you are a man. This is why you protect yourself. It's not smart to take damage. It's not about taking someone's life source or any of that. Its about instilling self-defeating beliefs and feelings into a person...

Victor the Dictator? You know people don't change right. The memories, thoughts, and feelings that motivated you to be cruel in that way are still within. That's probably why you keep trying to impose this bull crap upon me.

Ultimately, a man wants to be solid mentally. Do you know what that means? That means he is so confident that nothing can shake his belief. That means he is so motivated that nothing can shake his resolve. His body will give out before his spirit. However, everyman has soft areas that can be penetrated. Protect yourself.


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Why do you ask questions for answers you've already figured out? I don't get it.
I asked three questions. 1.) How do you attract a girl without showing interest. 2.) How do you get out of no-man's land when you have shown interest and a girl is not attracted yet? and 3.) How do you approach and minimize your chances of getting rejected?


Instead of answering these questions, posters have criticized me. My motives have been ridiculed and my objectives(my goals) have been doubted. I don't need your opinion on what i want, all i want is strategy. All I want to know is how to handle situations.

Tell me how to handle these situations. Tell me how to achieve my objections. Or. Or just shut up!

Anything else I don't want to hear or I would have asked for it. Perfect reasoning.
What the hell? I gave you a tactic, be high value so you get more interest, learn to read attraction, respond to her attraction. That is it, very simple game, I practice it all the time, of course you ignored the post. I even explained compliments and how there is a certain style to them. You've literally completely ignored those answers and we moved to this other argument because you don't have any understanding of the underlying issue when it comes to your tactics, they require confidence and that is something you don't have. Thus we explained the concept of coming from high value and etc.

When I mentioned things initially to help you it was ignored, I wasn't giving you guess work I was giving a general concept based on real life courtship and studies. I don't know what more you want from me.

Good Luck in all your future endeavors. I'm done with this conversation as you didn't even accept what I brought you instead you fought it.

Peace and Love,

Vic
You were rude, you were arrogant, and you were condescending. You gave me a very simple answer. Well then shut the hell up after that. Shut the hell up. You give me something simple that everybody knows. Then you just felt the need to start talking about other shit. This is not about confidence. This is about technique. You haven't changed Victor. You haven't changed. You still want to impose yourself on others. But, you talking to a junk yard dog, a brick wall, a beast in the jungle. I'm your boss.


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Why do you ask questions for answers you've already figured out? I don't get it.
I asked three questions. 1.) How do you attract a girl without showing interest. 2.) How do you get out of no-man's land when you have shown interest and a girl is not attracted yet? and 3.) How do you approach and minimize your chances of getting rejected?

Instead of answering these questions, posters have criticized me. My motives have been ridiculed and my objectives(my goals) have been doubted. I don't need your opinion on what i want, all i want is strategy. All I want to know is how to handle situations.

Tell me how to handle these situations. Tell me how to achieve my objections. Or. Or just shut up!

Anything else I don't want to hear or I would have asked for it. Perfect reasoning.
^This is also a decent routine for you. The know-it all advice seeker asshole. So you meet a Orthopedic Doctor and you ask her, "1. My shoulder hurts. 2. How do I fix it?"

She tells you, "Every situation is different but let's check your range of motion. . . let's try putting some weight on it. Well I think it could be a rotator cuff issue but you should probably get yourself an MRI."

This is your time to shine!

I told you 1.) My Shoulder hurts 2.) How do I fix it. Instead of telling me how to fix it, you're pulling my shoulder all over the place, putting weight on it, and telling me to get an MRI! Tell me how to fix it or just SHUT UP!

Again, this is the important part of your routine. ALWAYS remember. . . after you do the know it all, too stupid to know how stupid I am act, it's important to laugh and offer a high five to break both parties into hug and laughter.

Including the Chewbacca act, I've now offered you three strategies. . .
Sarcasm, backhanded insults, distorting my opinion. You're posts are stupider than a retarded jackass imitating George W. Bush.

And yo momma need shave her hairy ass Chewbacca bush. THat shit is nasty. I thought she was a damn dog or something, especially with the way she was groaning my name.


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If you have to face something you have to face it, but you don't want to face something that will only break you down. I hope you understand what I mean by that. . .for instance, whats it matter if you have the courage to approach the girl if you don't have the confidence to avoid feeling humiliated if rejected. Its like this, a solider shouldnt go into battle if he doesn't also have a shield to protect him....
I don't know if you've ever been chewed out before, but there are times when it just rolls off you like water on a ducks back and there are times when it sticks in your gut. It sticks in your gut when you're not as confident. Its hard to build confidence with girls because people are so random..

Often times when people fail it breaks their heart, it takes the wind out of their sails, and it hurts their self-confidence and self-esteem. This depends the type of experience though. Sometimes failure can make you think its not that bad, but if you have put your all into something you really want well thats crushing and that experience can convince you that "i can't," "i'm not good enough"

I've heard that numb type desensitisation approach, I don't believe in it. Here's why? If you are exposed to shit long enough you eventually forget it stinks. Similarly, get rejected enough and you begin to expect rejection and even accept rejection.
1.) You begin to accept and expect bad shit
2.) It leaves you with scarring memories that are always in your memory to undermine your attitude.
3.) Negative experience reinforces negative feelings.
hmm, I see what you are saying, pickup is a bit like body building, and ronnie coleman has a pretty good quote that reflects his frame on teaching guys how to body build, it goes, ''every body wants to be a big ass body builder, but aint no body wanna lift no big ass weights''


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these posts seem to all be striking a cord with you, and I know it may seem like you are being undermined and attacked, or people are looking down on you, but there is a lot of value to what is being said to you here in this thread,

it is just critism, sometimes it is hard when you feel someone is judging you, but really this is just an attempt to reach out to you and help you see your behavior from the perspective of someone else, there are obviously more respectful ways that these points can be made, but if you are not open to the critisms how can you fully critque yourself with an open mind?

no one is nessicarily right or wrong in this thread, yourself and myself included, we all just have different opinions on what it takes, if you truly believe there is a certain way and will only accepts critisms that adopt your same mind frame, then it is fairly pointless to ask for advice in the first place, you might as well just continue doing the same thing, and getting the same results, and try to improve on your way, in your own way

if this thread continues, lets try to all avoid further ad hominem attacks


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