Is PU a Myth? Can you really create sexual attraction?



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:31 am 
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The beauty of humans is that everyday it is something new with the same people. Social interactions change people and their perceptions, thoughts, ideas, opinions, attitude, etc. Take for example that guy from High School who you grew up with and never went to parties, stayed at home, was shy, etc. You see him after a few years of college and he's off partying, shirt unbuttoned, beer in hand, smoking crack.

Women change as well. How many times have you heard that girl who dated a guy for 2-3 years and than they break up and she goes on a sex binge? She was the most loyal and close legged girlfriend for 2 years yet after that devastating breakup she's had dozens of guys lay babies inside of her? Was this woman possible to be gamed during her relationship? Your chances are TINY. However, when things got bad, could she be gamed? Your chances are higher but you're not going to get in her pants by just a timid approach. Now, when she broke up? Your chances are higher.

I look at it in a few ways.

If you're looking to have a lay count in the 1,2, 8 hundreds than you should be direct and go up to as many women as possible. Each night you go to a club you will find that girl who recently broke up with her boyfriend, who had 1 too many drinks, who is experiencing a sex-drive, etc. etc. The reasons can be endless. Chances are, in a world filled with women, you'll find one with a motive to have a ONS. You're not beating around the bush, you're going direct. She likes that, you get what you want, she got what she wants.

Than there's the women who are open to ONS, who are open to meeting guys, getting to know someone, etc. Not all of these women are going to want to screw you on the first night however, maybe you'll only get a number, or a kiss-close but you take her out once or twice and/or possibly date, you'll be banging. How did you approach them? Most likely not using anything direct, your natural game identified that this particular chick isn't going to appreciate a direct method approach. Is it possible to game this girl into a ONS? Sure, but it may take a different approach, a "sweep her off her feet" approach.

Than there are those women, possibly in a deep relationship, possibly strongly religious, possibly having a pissy day, that won't be gamed no matter what. Luckily, for the most part, these women are few and far between. Usually.

The difference is, there is something to Pick-up. There is something different to what gets shared and passed on. It's no challenge to bang the school slut. She'll sleep with any guy who owns a nice car, who got drunk with her, who has social value, etc.

It takes some skill to be able to identify those women who, based on your needs for that night (ONS, possibly ONS + See later, possibly date?), are going to be gamed via a direct/indirect approach.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:38 am 
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Define numbers game.

If a numbers game means that you just approach 100 women and 25 of them will like you no matter what you do, you are wrong.

If a numbers game means that you can improve your successrate immensly but there will still be girls who just dont like you, you are right.



Still, since you yourself call yourself a KJ and by your statement in whatever thread, I agree, it is a bit silly to discuss this. I mean, you read something someone wrote (rhetorics) and believe it rather than having a couple of hundred sarges to base it on (experiennce). I think I know which one I trust more.

No offense, just saying.
ezo, i get where you're going. but here is the point. if you compare some looser who has no game to speak of before and after some PU experience, then yes "immensely" is the right word to use.

however, if you take someone with a moderate success rate with women and just tell him to sarge everything that looks fuckable, probably his success, as a percentage of total approaches, will not be such worlds apart.

also, we need to defferenciate between real master PUA's and just guys that are into fucking chicks. alot think/wish they were MPUA's. good portion of the shit that poeple think they know about women is utter b.s. some of it is gold. it's a question of experience, that's for sure. and if a guy goes out there everyday and learns from his encounters, he's gonna get good with women, unless he's a total moron.
Exactly. But you know, many people are complete "morons" when it comes to meeting women. Anyone can improve their chances and depending on where you start the difference will be different. Say you close 99 of 100 women, that means you have a 1% improvement potential, on the other hand, you dont need it. Lets say you close 1 of 1000 women, you have a 99,9% potential. Even closing one more means that you have doubled your skills.

Having game is not so different from being a normal guy who doesnt get nervous and picks his nose while talking to women. It isnt like PUAs have superpowers.
Hahahaha! yeah, wanna meet the guy that closes 99 out of a 100! but yes, we are often morons when meeting women, and i even find myself guilty of some moronic behavior around HB's. Def. not getting nervous is half the game.


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I have won a few girls over in day game where I got the impression that they were not attracted to me early on. This was a long while ago where I was mostly messing with cocky + funny....Anyways I build a connection with them mostly the same way for all three. I was being cocky, unphased by their reactions, showed social proof and had a personality that stood out from typical AFCs. I also had a deep moment with each of them by leaving myself vulnerable and creating an emotional connection. Mind you, this was all natural and thinking back I could analyze why it worked and what methods were used without me even realizing it back then. One of the girls who got annoyed at first ended up dumping her bf for me.

The point is, was there an initial attraction that I was not aware of or did I turn her around and create attraction? That's what I have been asking myself for some time just to know how attraction works.

This arguement comes up all the time. People say the girl either is attracted to you in the beginning or she isn't and there's nothing you can do to change that. I realize you can win over neutral girls and that there are some you just can't vibe with which is perfectly understandable, but what about those where if you find something to connect with and something that turns them on, is it possible to sexually attract them even if you make a bad first impression?

How many times have you seen or experienced yourself being out of shape in the past and had low self esteem where girls you knew wouldn't dream of sleeping with you, then years later you are fit, have confidence and better body language, you or your friend with that experience runs into the same girls and they become impressed, turned on and DTF? Now does that prove that you can attract girls who didn't like you at first? or is it maybe that those same girls were neutral, but you thought they had no attraction due to your low self esteem?

If we had a definite answer, it would make a big change in how we see pick up and what it would mean to be one of the best. Maybe we should experiment, get female friends to introduce you to girls they know while you tell them to DLV you, talk shit and convey qualities that those girls find repulsive. That way you know for sure that there is no sexual attraction. Then the goal would be to turn it around and see if that's actually possible. Food for thought :)

^ totally agree, i think all of those theories by sleazy, 60 yoc, mode one etc.. is to take advantage of some of the anti-pua sentiment clientele, in other word they themselves do some mental masturbation, with that being said it could only be that they focus on fast, more efficient game...For example, my gf for 5 years what no initially attracted to me at all and view me negatively, it was pure skills that got her(game)... And why most of the time i see fine girls with no so good looking guys and no is not money...

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