Guys you are all arguing based on self perception and generalizations and are all correct.

Some women will dress sexy to get fucked, some will just do it for attention. If you are in a warm southern environment, more women will dress skimpy. If you are where it's cold or rainy most of the time, women will wear more clothes. In the warm environment it will not be so obvious which woman is DTF based on her attire. However! If you are in a shitty weather environment, the girls wearing the skimpy clothes are generally a little looser, but not always and it always comes down to their actions.

What a woman wears will not dictate her sexual prowess, it is in fact how she wears it. Body language will tell you everything.

I have met women that were wearing next to nothing but their body language was not congruent with what they were wearing and were just big teases looking for attention, I've met completely conservative dressed women that where completely DTF. Women have a far too chaotic thought process for us to get any true generalization, especially when it comes to outfits. It's virtually impossible to generalize each woman as to why they are showing skin, there could be a million reasons.

I've had lots of female friends dress completely slutty with no intentions of even picking up any guys at all. I've had girlfriends that worked out hard every day and when they went out they wanted to show off. To women and men, to everyone.

Guys, women are all over the map, it's impossible to say a woman is DTF based on what she is wearing especially if her body language and actions are not congruent.

A perfect example is a prostitute on the corner, she could be wearing something you may see some women wearing in clubs and standing right near them on the street, you will certainly be able to pick out the prostitute over the club girl just by the way she is walking, standing.

One girl i dated used to dress like a complete tease, she had fake tits and a perfect ass she loved to show it all off. It used to bug the fuck out of me as it would always cause problems with guys in clubs, or I'd have to stick to her like glue just to keep idiots away.


As for cheating women, well there is a million variables as well, in my experience its either from lack of attention from their BF/husband. No sex life. Or they settled for comfort and don't find their mate attractive any more and seek a bit of a bad boy. Some are just cheating sluts, some hear their friends talking about how they cheat and they want to as well, some are just super horny. some are looking for a way out. Again millions of reasons

Too many variables to make a concrete argument( just like the skimpy clothes discussion)

Poetic, skills, Jurupa, Phangan. You guys are all smart dudes with a lot of experience and knowledge and all know your shit, you must know that this argument is pointless.

Now lets all do a group high five and start focusing on how we are going to manipulate the panties off all of the hot women, not just the ones wearing a little mini skirt and tank top.

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New York and Florida are Humid. California's humidity is low.

I'm from So. Cal dude, I was born in San Diego County, raised in Riverside county moved to Utah to go to college. Don't act like my theories and experiences are only in Utah.

Your video proved my point by the way. Women who chose to wore more see through clothing, expose more skin, you can dress sexy and NOT show all your skin.

Over it, I feel stupid even needing to convince someone of this.

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Hey SA,

When you've been with 800 girls, of course that you've been with every type... but if we generalize, and I think that's what we're doing here, then we can say that normally a "slutty" girl will dress more slutty and a conservative girl will dress more conservatively. It's just common sense really. But the point that you are making is that clothing is just one sign and it should be combined with other signs when we are trying to determine if a girl is DTF or not, and that's of course very true.

You see a girl on the dancefloor:

Dancing wildly - check
Looking around, sending AI - check
Showing skin - check
Drinking - check
Touching her hair - check

You get closer and start dancing with her. She lets you grab her hand - check.

You spin her, she doesn't resist the spin - check

When you finish the spin, you make one step forward and put your arm around her - check

You turn her around and pull head backwards so it's on your shoulder and she lets you - check (you can usually go for the kiss from behind here)

You turn her around and put your hands on her ass - check

You slide your hand down her ass and almost grab her V - check

= if you do all this and she doesn't stop you - you're half way to banging her.

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Brother you are correct, but what my point is is that without all the other checks
marks, there is no way to establish whether a girl is DTF based on her clothing.

If I were to generalize on clothing alone I'd say that if the woman is average or slightly above average, and wearing slutty clothes then YES there is a better chance she is DTF. If she is above average or crazy hot and wearing slutty clothes is means nothing unless her body language and all the other check marks are there.

My point is,( as I am sure you already know) HOT women will dress slutty especially in a night club in any country and most cultures.

HOT women have the luxury of fucking any man they please, but! they are also consciously and unconsciously addicted to attention, this is why you always see the super hot chicks in clubs wearing sexy clothing or next to nothing.

BUT! above all of that, it really does come down to all other variables and check marks, as for the newbie, telling them that if a girl is wearing a little slutty mini skirt and showing lots of skin a that she is DTF is completely false information, in particular a dance club setting.

Now if we are talking day to day and all other settings, then YES attire and attitude is a HUGE factor to help determine a woman's sexual prowess. If you are at a park and you see a woman that is dressed slutty or at your local food court, then FUCK YA, that girl is looser then the majority of women.

A night club setting is a whole other anomaly, women plan for weeks and weeks( especially if they are not club chicks) ahead of time as to what they are gonna wear to the club, it becomes an event, just like Halloween and I am sure you all know how slutty women will dress during Halloween.


The overall point here is, if we are judging women at a night club then dressing "slutty" does not really apply unless it is accompanied by all other variables. If we are judging them in all other aspects of life, then YES if the girl is dressing slutty it's usually a great sign that she needs and wants some cock.

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Totally agree with you

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hey guys,

here you go,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2 ... re_complex

you might want to check this link out as it is fairly related to this debate you guys are having

breaking the ice and screening is probably the best way to screen, rather then chancing dis-qualifying some girl based on guesswork before you meet her,

the way you are recieved as well as the compliance you have will tell you all you need to know, more so then anything on any of these lists

socializing is fun, no need to avoid it

but if all your looking for are the easy ones, just go for girls that approach you, girls that are alone, and girls that have been eye fucking you, other then that, might as well go meet them if you want to see what they are like, if she is DTF will most likely have more to do with if she finds you attractive or not, and is available or not (logistically, sexually, or otherwise), and the best way to figure if she screen well for that is to meet her

guess work like this is all just a great list of ways you can rationalize why not to approach, rather then why you should, pretty much all people men and women are pretty open to the idea of sleeping with someone they find attractive no matter what their agenda for the day is, and girls who are not horny can be turned on just as easily as girls that are horny can be turned off

GOOD LUCK

^ Good, but that link(mental masturbation)... anyways, that is why i clearly put some "during the interaction tips", But again if you combine both, before and during the interaction is more EFFICIENT... I am all about efficiency so if i am at a club and there are 10 equally hot girls that are my type and i want to approach, i would pick out of the 10 the ones that are giving the body language reads that they are open, vs approaching the ones that are giving me no reads(that would be way more efficient) since time is king for example in clubs... But again in my experience when i put in my head let me go out for SNL as a goal( SCARCITY that will be counter productive) if go out with the frame i want to have fun( ABUNDANCE and more often than not i have snl opportunities).... Cause anyways sometimes the girls during the interaction(for example dancing) do not act dtf(sexual) are super boring, so i automatically get rid of them and move on(out of boredom) instead of coming across as try hard...

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This is great

This is by a seducer name dogsoldier, it is very good:
and:

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Haven't caught up on the whole thread, but I will say from my experience how a woman dresses and promiscuity/dtf level is not that correlated at all, that goes for bars, clubs, dates, etc.

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Depending on the situation you may be correct but it's important to realize that our clothes are a billboard for ourselves and our intentions. Someone not obsessed with getting laid is not going to have any reason to show they are sexually attractive... in other words why would someone dress sexy if they don't care about sexual attention?

It's important to remember guys like me based things on science, in other words that information was based on a study not on experiences, not on interpretation, a scientific study that showed women who dressed in less were in fact more sexually aroused... When women were naturally the most "sexually aroused" which is during ovulation they exposed more skin. Any emphasis on your sexuality is in fact an attempt to grab sexual attention. Why would you try and gain sexual attention if you weren't interested in sex?

Yes some women do like to just "dress up" when they go out, they can have egos and compare with the company they are keeping, but most women that are single vs. not single dress just conservative enough so that you can recognize the difference. After understanding behavior at a high level (rather than interpreting your experiences as you admitted you did) you gain more than just a feeling... you gain an understanding that is beyond the old "in my experiences".... once you also get exceptional with women you start to interpret their behaviors as well not just their apparel... You can tell when they are sexually available with ease.

Culture is very important as well... In Florida where Skills lives it's hot and humid and the general apparel guideline is to wear less so you can compete with the climate and weather. Everything must be taken into consideration when interpreting behavior, not just one area, apparel is a part of body language and must be read in the same manner.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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too many confounding variables and 'lie factor' in many of these sexual studies that actual practical experience is not much worse than an "actual study". Your experience is actually a study in its own right, a very long study that does not control for as many variables or record the data as robustly, but usually lasts over a much longer period of time and with many more subjects. Not to mention measuring 'sexual arousal' is extremely difficult.

My point though is more that sexual attention versus being dtf are two very different things in today's society. No one is arguing that a woman dressed in a bikini wants to show off her tits more than a woman wearing a turtle neck, but what matters is who are you most likely to fuck.

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Your experiences are open for interpretation.... Hence we write IN MY EXPERIENCES.... Where as what I used was a cold hard experiment where they measured the pixels of a woman's skin exposed vs not in conjunction with their ovulation cycle.... Ummm yeah dude... we are comparing what you go out of it verses a cold hard fact... Based off of percentages and yes an ongoing study that didn't last 1 day... come on man... I said science not bull shit...

They based it on ovulation cycle which yes does align with the moment when women are the most SEXUALLY AROUSED BIOLOGICALLY.... This is science, not your slant on shit dude... not what you want to see or how you want to interpret it... facts are facts and your opinion is your OPINION not a fact sir.

You went a bit off topic at the end... I'm not sure how that relates to what we were discussing.... A woman in a bikini is likely in an environment or a context that it works for... As I said the culture of the environment or context will influence apparel.

Requesting sexual attention serves no other purpose but to search out for a corresponding sexual mate... I don't give a fuck what any woman says, lets act with a little bit of rationality rather than an opinion of the situation... in other words let us discuss this as men not women who state how we "FEEL" about something.

Women requesting sexual attention are almost always on the prowl... even if they aren't "available", it simply means you have a little more convincing to do.

If you think the woman who is wearing a turtle neck is more likely to fuck than bikini I'm going to say you're wrong 90% of the time... body language takes a series of signals in order to interpret the message no one is saying otherwise. I even wrote in the damn article that context and culture need to be taken into consideration (what more do you want?). Of course it doesn't absolutely mean that she wants to fuck... but if you walk in a bar and see two women one in a skirt/tank top, the other in a pants/long sleeve, which do you think is more likely to fuck you?

Don't forget the article lists behaviors and for you to disqualify this concept based of your "interpretation of your experience" when mine was drawn from a scientific experiment it says quite a bit....

Peace and Love,

Vic

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^ most seducers in the forum agree with that and other forums, but lets not argue that to death.... I wanted to showcase, dogsoldier point. My experience matches what you say, mostly attention whoring.

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