I can't argue with you about either you like it or not. After all, it's your opinion. But I just wanted to show you that there is a tons of easier way to K-close that doesn't need endless stages and practice.

Just keep in mind that,

For most of the girls, Kissing is not a big deal.

You should not take too much time developing a K-close routine as It often happens naturally.

Maybe you should take this time to develop a F-close routine, instead.

But then, it's just my opinion

Peace

If this was true, this forum would be empty.

Word @Kasabi.

@Matt, you've been hanging around too many easy drunk grenades. But alright, let's say you get lucky and you score a make out with a hottie at a bar. You're just another make out... not someone she's going to smash.

Ops, I don't think I expressed myself well (English is not my native language).

By saying It often just happens naturally. I meant that you don't really need any lines to K-close if the opportunity is there, as it often will. You just need to do it when you feel it is the right moment and go with the flow. If you are really close to your girl and she's looking at your lips, you just got for it. Anyways, I hope you get what I meant by "naturally".

@Silent, the routine itself is not going to get you anywhere. It depend on what you do with it. The whole point of this is just to get a first kiss with the girl. You need to agree with me about the fact that is it way easier to do something with a girl if you've already did it in the same night. (For example, talking, dancing, kissing, etc.)

I don't know what you're trying to say. Anyways, you're routine shows that you still have feelings for your "ex", thus you are trying to make your "ex" jealous by kissing your target while she's looking. Whack!

This thread through me around,

Personally I don't "make-out" when I meet her or at least until I'm in a sex location. I just feel it releases a lot of tension that could be used elsewhere. This is not to say I won't kiss her.

I don't think I have ever kissed a cheek before I kissed her lips. I either just grab her head and pull or lean forward and shut up until I can nudge her and reach her lips.

I'm hearing a lot of talk about tests and stuff but I don't have any tests, when ever I feel like I should make out or go in for the first kiss that's usually the right time.

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@Matt I totally agree with "for most girls kissing is not a big deal"

Many times I've had full blown make-outs, went to the bathroom and by the time I was back they'd be making out with someone else, lol

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I understood you the first time. "Reading" for opportunities is certainly an aspect of the game. However, CREATING opportunities vs. waiting and reading for opportunities is the difference between the pua and the guy who gets lucky once in a while.

If you guys who aren't into routines are satisfied with what you're doing, that's cool. You gotta do things as you see fit. I'll tell you though, it's a night and day difference between ACTUALLY gaming and creating/sparking attraction vs. chatting away and simply waiting for an ideal situation to close.

By the way . . . to the guys who promote "NOTHING" game . . . why are you even here? Why bother with any of this? Just squeeze in line at the next saliva exchange program with the village make out queen and you'll be all set, right?