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So if I'm hanging out with my 5 guy friends... and there's 2 girls with us SPAM. (Cock-fest) If I'm not the best looking guy, I'm fucked?

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Relax,

Tyler Durden: "If I'm in a set gaming girls with my wingman whose game is also very good, he is better looking, wealthier, but my game is a little sharper-Girls will leave with me."


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"Does that make more sense?"

what makes sense is that you don't know anything about real life. Everything you have said is mental masturbation. When someone else doesn't like it, you accuse them of not even reading your post. They read your post, but unfrotunately the signal to noise ratio of your posts is very poor, probably because you think it makes you sound smart. We should be here to spit the facts and not play useless mind games.

The prior poster who talked about the ugly guys doing ok is absolutely correct.

The fact is, "looks matter" vs "looks don't matter" is a false dilemma. The truth is that overall looks can be said to matter, in some cases they are practically all that matters, on a lot more cases looks do not matter one tiny little bit. Its all situational.


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Just to chime in on something else regarding this topic. Research has been done by some scientist in California (I believe it was Cali..i'll try to find the exact report I read) on the subject of looks.

First, they took guys that were classically good looking. Guys like Brad Pitt and Johny Depp, (not not those actual guys, those guys are just examples of classically good looking guys) and took pics of those guys in just boxers. They then showed those pics to 300 females and had the female rate them from 1 - 10.

The average score for those guys wearing nothing but boxers was a 9.

The scientist then took those same guys and had them wear loose, unflattering, baggy fitting clothes. Also had them exercise poor grooming. Took pics of the same men in these new conditions and showed the pics to 300 other women. The ratings of these men dropped quite a bit. The new rating was a 6

They then took men that was considered ugly. Repeated the first experiment and took pics of them in boxers. These pics, when showed to another 300 women, rated quote low. 4 wa sthe average score if I remember correctly.

They then gave these same men good hair cuts, improved their grooming, and gave them more stylish clothes to wear. Took pics and showed to 300 new women. Average score changed to a 7.

This shows that "ugly" man with good grooming, good fashion, cool hair, can look better than an average guy, and better than a good looking guy that doesnt take care of him self well.

The same study shows that when it comes to judging a person on looks, except when the person is naked, or close to it, a woman will first go by:

1) Fashion
2) Hair style
3) Grooming
4) Physical Characteristics

In conclusion, its my belief that barring any physical deformity, pretty much any guy can get to the point where he is at least average looking.

Another point I would like to address is the whole "women always talking about hot guys they know."

Often times, if a woman likes a guy, she will justify her liking him on many things, one including his looks. No woman wants to think she likes some ugly man so she will convince herself hes good looking in order to justify her attraction for him.

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Has anyone here ever watched porn with a women before? with a girlfriend or anything? if you have, you'll notice that women don't pick porn based on how "hot" the guy is (most women anyway) In fact often they pick more based on the girl... it's the act of sex that turns them on, not so much how physically attractive the male star is. women are NOT sexually attracted to males in the same way males are attracted to females... if a guy see's a ten in a bikini he gets a boner... if a girl see's a 10 in a bathing suit, she won't get wet....

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The ONLY reason looks matter is because they convey certain characteristics.
If your tall, you are conveyed as a leader (women attraction switch)
If your handsome, you are conveyed as preselected (another attraction switch)
If you have a strong fit build you convey that you are protective (another attraction switch)
If you dress nicely have style you convey that your ambitious. etc. etc.

However if your tall, and you convey that your a follower, that you will jump through her social hoops, then being tall NO LONGER HELPS you... if your handsome but you creep out every girl in the club, or you just stand in a corner by yourself, the pre-selection switch turns off...

women will ASSUME certain qualities by looking at you, but if you change there mind your looks won't help shit. A female 7 will still reject a male model if he acts timid and weak, and has no social skills.

Likewise if your ugly girls will assume you DON'T have those certain qualities, but if you change there mind by having solid ass game, then they will become attracted to you, Looks are just a DHV or a DLV that's all...
but they can be a significant one... just changing your clothes however can instantly change a DLV into a DHV


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Just to chime in on something else regarding this topic. Research has been done by some scientist in California (I believe it was Cali..i'll try to find the exact report I read) on the subject of looks.

First, they took guys that were classically good looking. Guys like Brad Pitt and Johny Depp, (not not those actual guys, those guys are just examples of classically good looking guys) and took pics of those guys in just boxers. They then showed those pics to 300 females and had the female rate them from 1 - 10.

The average score for those guys wearing nothing but boxers was a 9.

The scientist then took those same guys and had them wear loose, unflattering, baggy fitting clothes. Also had them exercise poor grooming. Took pics of the same men in these new conditions and showed the pics to 300 other women. The ratings of these men dropped quite a bit. The new rating was a 6

They then took men that was considered ugly. Repeated the first experiment and took pics of them in boxers. These pics, when showed to another 300 women, rated quote low. 4 wa sthe average score if I remember correctly.

They then gave these same men good hair cuts, improved their grooming, and gave them more stylish clothes to wear. Took pics and showed to 300 new women. Average score changed to a 7.

This shows that "ugly" man with good grooming, good fashion, cool hair, can look better than an average guy, and better than a good looking guy that doesnt take care of him self well.

The same study shows that when it comes to judging a person on looks, except when the person is naked, or close to it, a woman will first go by:

1) Fashion
2) Hair style
3) Grooming
4) Physical Characteristics

In conclusion, its my belief that barring any physical deformity, pretty much any guy can get to the point where he is at least average looking.

Another point I would like to address is the whole "women always talking about hot guys they know."

Often times, if a woman likes a guy, she will justify her liking him on many things, one including his looks. No woman wants to think she likes some ugly man so she will convince herself hes good looking in order to justify her attraction for him.
I remember peaches saying on Keys To The VIP: You don't have to be good looking, you just have to look good.

BAM!

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So if I'm hanging out with my 5 guy friends... and there's 2 girls with us SPAM. (Cock-fest) If I'm not the best looking guy, I'm fucked?
Depends,if you are not the best looking,but still good looking,you have good chances.
But if youre ugly,oh man,bad news for you.


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So if I'm hanging out with my 5 guy friends... and there's 2 girls with us SPAM. (Cock-fest) If I'm not the best looking guy, I'm fucked?
Depends,if you are not the best looking,but still good looking,you have good chances.
But if youre ugly,oh man,bad news for you.
I got scouted by a modeling company. #PrettyBoySwag... But 2 of my friends are black... and naturals

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So if I'm hanging out with my 5 guy friends... and there's 2 girls with us SPAM. (Cock-fest) If I'm not the best looking guy, I'm fucked?
Depends,if you are not the best looking,but still good looking,you have good chances.
But if youre ugly,oh man,bad news for you.
I got scouted by a modeling company. #PrettyBoySwag... But 2 of my friends are black... and naturals
you got scouted by a modelling company and you're worried about looks???WTF???


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@ Madals

Style actually has some kind of point system too. He has a system with 8 categories and each one has max of 5 points.

on his scale having 18/40 is high-class.

here they are.

L-Looks
A-Adaptability
S-Strength
V-Value
E-Emotional Connection
G-Goals
A-Authenticity
S-Self-worth

He uses this acronym both as a self-improvement and how girls rate you scale.


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So if I'm hanging out with my 5 guy friends... and there's 2 girls with us SPAM. (Cock-fest) If I'm not the best looking guy, I'm fucked?
Maybe. Depends on how you play things.
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I got scouted by a modeling company. #PrettyBoySwag... But 2 of my friends are black... and naturals
What does having to be black have to do with anything?


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The realisation that looks matter is useless.Everybody knew it matters.The question is what do you do next
a:Give up because you are ugly,live the rest of your life wondering why aren't you Brad Pit
b:Do something about it!
So you choose B,You go to the gym,take care of yourself,eat healthy...1 year passes and you look in the mirror again.Even now you are below average.What do you do?
a:Cry because even if you gave it all,you are still not Brad Pitt...
b:Accept your fate and focus on things that you can change.
Again you choose B,You sell your porn,unsubscribe to WOW,go to your mom and ask for some money and then you go and buy a gazillion PUA books.You know you are not like a model,but doing everything will surely bring you success.
So here you are,many years in the making,knowing how to get a bunch of girls,and you still not "hot".But you compensate with every other skill!
Even now,if you still can't get the very hot girl from that exclusive club...Now you are ready,to use your secret technique!!!something that can increase the number and quality of girls you get exponentially !
Yes you know what i'm talking about...it's MONEY!!
So now you win the lottery,buy yourself a mercedes,armani costume(Take care,the brand name must be seen)and of course you smoke cuban cigars and of course buy yourself your own club!(or get into the porn industry,that's more easy)Now everybody will know you in town,the rich guy who owns the coolest club.Only your presence can attract victoria secret models!

Now you might be sad because you are getting uglier with age,but don;t panic!Using money(which you get more and more)you will be able to block the aging process,even if in the mirror you seem and old pervert,nobody will notice because of the money aura that affects them!

Congratulations for becoming an ugly PUA!


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This thread really interests me thanks for posting mate. I in part agree with Madals and Bboy sleepy and part think half of you are bloody mental :P

At different points in life attraction is important and others not so much.

Especially when gaming younger women early to mid 20's looks matter a lot on the approach/open/and warm up, when gaming a set larger than 1. It comes with the territory, looks, fashion and how someone presents themselves are key in all aspects of a woman's life at that point in time. When you approach in a club it can be very difficult to speak properly. Attraction at this point is around 90% visually perceived. (Thats a rough guesstimate, but usually on approach i would say its around 55% looks to 45% verbal) Yes some of that will come from charisma, body language and perceived social value but its ludicrous to think that looks don't play a large part in that equation.

I also feel you can negate that effect to a manageable level with a high SV. I feel Madal's point on which female to go for the HB8 or the HB9 was misunderstood here. He was getting at that on a purely physical level beauty is an advantage. Not that its the be all and end all. (I apologise if it was me who misunderstood.)

There was another statement made by someone, who i hope doesn't really believe this, that an attractive wing would affect your game. I think an attractive wing boosts social value, as if you are seen with attractive people it will raise the perception of you not lower it!

Its extremely important to note that when a woman approaches her thirties she is far more at home with what she wants in a man and what she is looking for when she meets him. It is much less important then at that point that the male is outstanding in the looks department. What he offers her in the areas of mental satisfaction as well as security and a light hearted aspect really help.

The most important point of note is that to base any woman on an attraction scale is mental! Every woman has different turn ons and turn offs. What the game allows us to do is to develop the self worth, confidence and (cruchlike) material to get us into the field and develop the intuitive skill that is the game. I would say that yes attraction will certainly help in this to begin with but in the end its all really the same thing. Attractive people are naturally more self assured and so will find progression much easier. It just takes us average or unfortunate looking guys a while to catch up.

To round up, one of my inspirational figures is an average looking guy who i met through working in bars, nothing to do with pick up. He has bedded over 100 women some brilliant and some atrocious however he once told me that;

"There is no such thing as punching above your weight, you set the bar no one else if you want to weigh in at a 7 one night and a 9 the next its up to you, you are in control to grab that big beautiful bull by the horns and wrestle the shit out of it!"

To this day i have adopted that philosophy and its worked for me.

Regards, Saint[/b]

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Women are acutely aware of their social ecosystem and their position in it. Next time you go to a club/bar with women, observe their eyes take a look at what they see. I'd bet my life that their field of vision/spatial awareness is much greater than men in social settings. Whereas we tend to scan quickly and STOP ABRUPTLY at whatever turns us on, women look for groups, social relationships, and inter-group relationships. (Even if they are not aware of this fact and are not able to logistically explain their own behavior)

Women, like men, appreciate physically attractive people but they do something that men seldom do, they mentally place themselves into the position of other women. When they see potential mates, they place themselves into the position of the 'potential girlfriend'. Men are mere canvases for WOMEN TO PAINT THEMSELVES OVER to actualize their own identity. If whatever canvas (a man and his qualities) creates the female identity that a particular woman needs to actualize, that canvas becomes a product worthy of investment.

The stereotype is that some girls go after dirt bags to piss off their daddies. The reality is that the actual act of 'going after dirt bags and pissing of their daddies' is a HUGE FUCKING TURN ON for these particular girls. The 'dirtbag's girlfriend' is the identity' some girls need to actualize. This is their fate. This is their karma. This is their reason for living. Some girls need to hold the arm of a handsome man to actualize their desired identity. For others, intellect is more important. Humor, socio-political position, etc . . . it all comes into play.

If you're entertaining some ideas that you're a pua or . . . at the very least, A MAN, then it's a good idea to:

1. Observe and study WOMEN to learn about women instead of jacking off to what your ugly or not ugly or funny or not funny buddies fucked last night.
2. Observe and study women as INDIVIDUALS to figure out their needs/wants/fantasies/fears instead of following a formula created by your ugly or not ugly or funny or not funny buddies who happened to fuck hb6's or 3's or 29's on a weekend on your couch.


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"At different points in life attraction is important and others not so much."

ha ha , dead wrong :)

I am guessing you are very young and trying to imagine what its like to be 30 or 40, all old and decrepit, lol :)

People change with age, but as long as there is any sex drive left, attraction is there or else its a sham relationship. Maybe you just need to get into your 30's before this can sound true to you.

You are underestimating the importance of "image", not just pure physical looks, to young women. Who do you think is more attractive in college, the male model or the captain of the football team ? Its not even close, and if you don't know that you don't know squat.

Women always want a guy that pushes her buttons mentally and physically. In some situations you would absolutely need to look good naked. In other situations nobody really cares what you look like. Most situations are a mixed bag.

It is always stupid not to take care of your health and appearance, and it is always stupid to rely on your health and appearance alone. That goes for all ages.


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