spot on sentiment. Of course, we'll assume that the standard is AFC style dating which doesn't get respect and doesn't get laid as easily.

I'm in agreement that if a women doesn't want to have sex, she won't. However, most people wants to have sex (yes, gross generalization), just with a specific type of person. For many men, it's with a HB with a compatible personality (hopefully). For many women, it's to have sex with a strong, confident, and positive guy. It becomes about becoming/showing yourself as just that.

Morally, I agree that as long as your honest with them, and take notice when they start to get too attached, there's no moral dilemma. Women like to sleep around too, it's just socially harder for them.[/quote]

Just as a general point from the last 3 posts. I noticed a recurring theme, and i want to say this;

"Women want sex just as much if not more than some men do, they just have different social rules regarding when it is right and when one would become a Slut"

The only reason that women have this air of being completely in control when it comes to getting into the bedroom is because of this. These things are known as social norms, but as a PUA we are subvert these social norms and allow a woman to feel more confident about going down that hot/sweaty/blissful road of copulation!

I've managed to work myself out of my self beating mind set, primarily with help from this post so thanks guys However i have noticed a few things that i may just have to write new long posts about. Cheers again

Regards, Saint

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that's cool man, work your way through it. I did the same thing. Eventually you come out from this unnecessary guilt/anxiety.

some possible causes for this guilt/anxiety:

- raised to believe women are inferior, can't take care of themselves
- raised that women don't want sex as much as you do
- raised that sexual promiscuity is inherently wrong, in all contexts
- not comfortable being assertive with women
- no dominant father figure in the household
- lack of dating/sex experience
- still believe the romantic comedy/afc model of sexual relationships is accurate

you could probably list more, but you get the gist. Its a whole pile of social/psychological junk that has to be cleared out.