However, you most likely do not understand however strict the rules are for each place, and what percentage of waitresses would abide to them in all the right circumstances.

Similar arguments can be made by girls in other professions, or girls at the gym, etc. Perhaps one thing to take out of Roz's post is that performing a successful close on a waitress has a lower percentage than other areas of pickup - and some restaurants may be even lower than that.

You still don't know if you don't try. Its a numbers game, and one waitress shouldn't deter you from trying on others. I'm not saying Roz is a bad apple; she makes a valid point, however practicing on waitresses is still a way to gain experience and confidence (and you may luck out after all).

Sorry in advance if it causes you frustration Roz, and for whatever additional misery I contribute to you while you work your shift. Once the right attitude is established, it must not be dropped because one sees being a waitress as an obstacle. You are just another woman, no matter your job. You will be treated as such.

Guys.

Of course it isn't impossible to pick up a waitress; I've already said in my OP- it depends on the place... the odds are against you if it's a popular venue and she has a lot of tables to wait on. I work either Friday or Saturday nights- those are the busiest days of the week.
Whatever "interesting" and "original" material you come up with, chances are she's already heard it one table over. And if she hasn't, who cares? You're still just another guy trying to get her that night. You guys make the mistake of thinking this is just night game- it's not. She's busy, stressed out, and trying to do her job. She's not THERE to meet guys; she's there to pay the bills.

I think there's a way to go about things. "Just go for it" is great advice, but I believe there are exceptions- this being one of them. I'm just trying to give you guys a different perspective. Instead of approaching her on her shift that Saturday night, when she has a million things on her mind, why not put in a little extra effort and approach her outside of work? Or find out if she's working on a Tuesday or Wednesday when things aren't so hectic? If you really want her, I believe this is the way to go.

Bottom line? The odds are strongly against you (again, depending on the venue and how busy she is). I am more aware of the tactics guys use to pick me up when I'm on the job (credit to this site), so I can say direct approach is overdone, and indirect approach is annoying.

If you've successfully picked up a waitress on a busy Saturday night, then by all means go ahead and share.
If you think you can successfully pick up a waitress on a busy Saturday night, then go out, try it, and if you've hit gold go ahead and share.

I am just sharing with you what I believe to be the best tactic.


-Roz

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Sure alot of places have these policies at work..
DONT let that stop you from trying

IDK,maybe it's just me,but I'd prefer getting to know this chicc out side of her work place.

How much more genuine a # would be in a social setting than #-close at her work.

I game & # close cashiers all the time,be it at department stores,groceries,ice-cream parlors,whatever.

But there's a grand difference with hired-guns.

Face it guys.

There's nothing original one can say to a hired gun.

There's no original approach.

The only original thing that can be done is gaming her out of her work place via finding out where she hangs out pre-work,or on days off.

As Roz had said,these girls are willing to volunteer that info;her hobbies,likes,what she usually does on days off,her favorite club,etc.

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Hey Roz, have you heard this line:

Guy: "Do you date customers?"
Girl: "No"
Guy: "Well then, we'll just have to settle for an affair!"

The fact that she's saying "don't game waitresses on the job" is not a challenge! She's saying be creative and try to bump into her if you work out where she hangs out.

She's trying to give guidance with this advice.

I'd treat waitresses like the girl who's about to get off at the nest stop. Possible, but just next to no chance - it's situational - but there could be other ways to approach the issue.

Fair enough, but I heard one PUA say he'd gamed waitresses using that line so I was wondering if our friend Roz here had heard it.. and also I was curious as to how widespread the line is.

A line is just a line.

Do you expect her to just turn around, bend over and pull her skirt up if you say that because some other PUA picked-up a girl with that?

Anyhow I think there is 2 very important things to be learned by Roz's post.

1) Don't take a hired gun's "IO's" too seriously. It's a good thing to game hired guns when you start, to get you out of your shell in your first few baby steps in the PUA world, however don't delusion yourself thinking it's success.

2) It will be very dependent on situation. It may work in less busy or strict establishments, but for the busy places with pretty waitress, you better find a plan B.

On the other hand, if you spend a bit of time in the Lay Reports, you will see that it does seem to work sometimes...

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If any of you work, you know that it's a pain in the ass to entertain anybody while you're trying to get your shit done. Plus . . . a typical sports bar on a Friday or Saturday night is filled with beer guzzling, chicken wing munching assholes. Hey, I'm happy to say that I too am a beer guzzling asshole on a night out to a SPORTS bar with my buddies. This is a tough scenario.

Couple of thoughts:

Roz doesn't know the difference between 'PICK-UP' and 'Hey guys, watch this . . . durh, hurh hur pick up'. She's a chick, what do you expect? All she sees is that guys approach her and some piss her off and some give her the hook.

The problem is that EVERY 'waitress' pick up attempt in a sports bar on a weekend night with the 'guys' is really an attempt to piss the waitress off regardless of how the guys explain it. They ALL START OFF WITH, "HEY, GUYS . . . WATCH THIS . . ." (The idea is, "I am going to treat this like a fucking joke because I'll get shot down. At least we can laugh and then she'll carry our food back and forth . . durh, hur, hur, hur") This isn't pick up. This is an exercise of insulting others.

Wasting somebody's time and getting in the way of their livelihood should be a crime. The fact that pick up in this scenario still works wonders every now and then speaks volumes about how so many people lack respect for their own lives. Imagine a smelly gum chewing hag showing up at work and trying to tie you up with her chatter while you're trying to get your work done?

You don't need to play spy and figure out when she's hanging out at the mall. Just go in there during an off lunch hour. Also, the rules change a bit if you're a REGULAR and she's noticed you with a bunch of girls. In this scenario, no matter how busy a restaurant/bar can get, a proposition to 'include her' into your life is usually met with a positive reaction.

I could say some shit like that for every single opener, routine, technique, that anybody on this forum talks about. Here, fill in the blanks. "So what you said X, did you expect her to get naked and ask you to fuck her just because you said X?"

No shit she's not going to take me to bed because I said one line, but that's not the point of an opener.

I asked someone else a question, why are you so upset by it?

My strategy for hired guns:

1. Become a regular
2. Become known and liked by the staff
3. PU during dead hours

I've gotten along pretty well with these simple steps. Unfortunately, though, people have been fired for giving me their phone numbers... I guess I'm just flattered that they took that risk.

Oh, and kino whenever you can. Roz, I'm sure there are some regular customers that you are cool with and even exchange hugs with and shit like that, right?

Regardless, my strategy just wouldn't work with Roz's work schedule because it's never dead when she's working.

I'm not upset, I gave up on being upset a long time ago. I'm rather dissapointed that people still relly on lines and on openers rather then inner game to actually be sucessfull. I'm also dissapointed that some good information posted gets diluted by " Well if I say this will I be above the other guys that start a conversation using other lines?"

The OP spent a lot of effort of time into saying " don't flirt with me when I'm on duty" and people just take it as a challange. "Oh yeah, even if I said X?". I guess that's what dissapointed me.

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This is getting annoying.

Why.

I don't like agreeing to much with anybody, but Roz you are right.

For some reason i am finding myself agreeing with nearly all your theads.

Chief

Your reply is the only way you pull it off.

But you have to use the quiet times WHICH ARE QUIET FOR A REASON.
Everybody is at work.!!

The bit about the quiet periods is unfortunately the time when i am at work which is a shame as its the only time you can hit on staff with some degree of success.

But a typical american sports bar in the USA IS A F...KING NO NO.
I would'nt bother wasting my time on staff in there.

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By the way, this is a bit off-topic I know, but I don't know anything about bars: could someone kindly tell me the difference between a normal bar and a sports bar?

Roz I only read your first post and non of the responses....

I've seen some of your other posts and I agree with them usually.. this one though I completely disagree with "dont bother".......

i agree that it's much more difficult then standard pick up
i know its fact that pretty much all places have rules against giving a number ASLO usually have rules about kissing their bf's at work while on duty
lastly i agree that 99% of the guys get laughed at, talked about and denied softly.. also yes tons guys leave their own numbers....

how i kno this is because im VERY VERY good at picking up waitresses on duty almost any time except when they are REALLY busy.

my last three LONG-terms i picked up at work, one was hostess and two were servers
my current gf is also a server a pub near my apartment.
others ive picked up for casual

I MUCH MUCH prefer picking up at bars and restaraunts (inc staff) then almost anywhere else...

its not EASY.. but i can tell you now i have NEVER failed in getting the number...and 90% of the time close after getting the number... every now and then it just fizzles out like any other pick up after getting the num...cus she isnt as interesting as I thought...

I have developed through trial a routine that ive never failed with to get the number.. ever.

it works well..

i dont really want to share it because i dont want all the guys in my area going around blasting waitresses and fukn things up...

but anyway ive had the conversation with lots of these girls that say tonsa guys give their numbers, business cards, gifts etc... and they usually just get tossed once they walk into the back...also any girl that i visit AT work will always kiss me hello and bye.. even tho its against the rules.. they will break them easily if they like you... so its not set in stone...

the other thing ive noticed is its about 50 50 where the girl will tell other coworkers how we met honestly.. some dont like saying "i gave him my num when i was working" some dont care and say "he was just really cool so i gave him my number at work"

picking up waitresses is VERY VERY possible... and the more guys that try and fail the easier it is for me to get it.. so dont take Roz's advice on this one... keep at it