This reminds me of something. I recently met a guy who is a chess player. It turns out that his father taught him how to play, and his father learned it himself. So this guy now got his own style, doesn't play by the book, and he's got huge advantage of his opponents who don't know what to expect. If Mystery kept this knowledge to himself, opinion openers would still do great today, but hey, we wouldn't be here today.

I agree certain things has been over used but its a lazy way to play the game anyway use your own stories and games. you can set sexual frames by talking about your mom u just got to know the underlying means of things

your life is a amazing story just waiting to be told in a fun way so stop talking about david bowie!

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What caught my attention is the fact that those girls were literally bringing the guy down for "using game". What the hell kind of behavior is that?

They should be encouraging his work and effort he's putting into it.

Point is, game will come off as a DLV if you're caught using canned material. What people need to realize is that it's not the damn material that gets you laid. It's not the words and it's not the routines.

So stop that shit for you that still do it.

I think that the girls concern is that he isn't being genuine by using a canned opener, and I think most girls have a perception that game is just a formula with no originality and that you don't have any genuine interest in her for anything other than looks.

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So they "help" him by calling him a freak and putting him down? God knows if he will ever dare to approach another set after that.

I don't think they had any intention of helping him. They see game (as I do admittedly) as a way for guys to sleep with as many girls as possible. And they don't like that.

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I doubt that. I'm no grandmaster in chess but I'm very good at strategy and tactics. Unless this guy is ranked in the top 100 I very much doubt he can create plays that have never been used before - remember the plays in chess exist even before they were created, just like the game existed long before it was discovered, it's just now people are discovering rules that have existed for ages.

Chess is a textbook game; once you're at the top level it's basically a game of noughts and crosses, you know every play inside out and you know what to expect, nothing surprises you anymore.

As for the opinion openers, they still work for me. The "girl to number of practising PUA" ratio must be massively in favour of the girl side.

Yeh, of course, but lets say I approach 5 girls a week, that's in excess of 250 girls a year. I've been using game based tactics for 6 years. I used to approach more than that before I got really good. So let's say it averages to 8 a week for 6 years. That means I've approached roughly 2,500 women. Slept with over 100 but no idea how many exactly. Now if I'd being using canned routines or worse the same canned routine, and some guy used the same routine on the girl after me, he's gonna be fighting an uphill battle.

I live in a city of 3 million + people. which means roughly 19,000 attractive dateable women of which i would have hit on more than 1 in 10. It's insane how quickly an obvious routine can become so widespread. If one in 500 hundred guys my age used the same routine that would still mean that every one of those attractive women would have been hit on using those same canned routines in excess 5 times.

Now I know that would never happen, but that shows just how important being original is.

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It's all in the delivery tbh, it has tosound natural, Game isn't DLV and it does work, hell most people on here will tell you that, you just gotta relate it to you not a canned opener, which is what that AFC was doing

Kind of old news...

Game is evolving. As it evolves, only the strong and adaptive survive. Those stuck in the past will be blown out, rejected, ridiculed, and found out.

This is where all this 'inner game' craze has come from. The openers, routines, negs, and canned lines that may have worked in 2003 don't work anymore because pop culture catches on.

Something tells me it wasn't the game itself that was the DLV for these guys, it was their inexperience, nervousness, and approach style. I'm sure if someone more experienced and confident approached with even the same canned line, it would probably work.

Fact is, old game is dead. New game can't be seen; it's much more spiritual now than it used to be.

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You're almost definitely right about everything, but I would disagree that the girls would have accepted the same canned line from a different guy as they were so legitimately turned off by it. In a way they would never be for any old guy they weren't attracted to.

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How can there be only 19,000 dateable women in a city with 3+ million population? I find that a bit hard to believe even if you where to take out the old, under 18, taken (assuming you don't go after taken girls), and the lesbians.
Originality helps, but delivery is more important. You can say the most use line ever and still get the girl because of the way you delivered the line to her.

Well I'm attracted to 1 in 20 girls between the age of 18 and 35(normally not attracted to women over that age) and yeh, don't get lesbians or taken girls. And of those very attractive women that I go for I find about 4 in 5 are seeing someone in some way. Although I am very good at picking the single ones their friends are almost always involved.

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I know they had no intentions of helping. But that doesn't make it right to do the exact opposite.

Just stating that what they did was wrong.

oh totally man. It's extremely uncool what they did, but in the irrational mind of a female they were "protecting themselves from creeps"

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