Very good post! I'll take your advice, I'm doing street game as well.

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As with all things in PU, this relies on a paradoxical knife edge balance.

It could be said that what you are experiening could be inspite of that, rather becuase of it.

But I have faith that this is something you have looked at objectively to void that kind of objection.

So I'm more inclined to say that the earlier a girl invests the better, BUT asking too much investment to early, is going to force her to ask whether she is conencting the dots for the right guy.

The amount a girl is willing to invest is proportional to how turned on/interested etc she is.

The point I'm raising is that asking for too much investment to early on, and you leave the "I'm uncertain it's safer to walk away" door too open.

If you can get her to invest fine, but ask too much to soon from anyone, and that can include having them walk towards a stranger to hear what they are saying and they may just walk off.

Agree.

Oh & Lion Cub - I'm surprised about how good those questions are that you asked. That's exactly what I was looking for when I wrote this post - that people who wanted to really apply it to their game might ask for more specific questions that pertain to them. Anyway, it's night/morn time and I'm shattered, will reply to you properly tomorrow hopefully x

Fractionation:

Fractionation is a general principle and you can adapt it to your uses in many, many ways. As far as NLP & hypnosis goes, I think it's certainly one of the most powerful techniques per se available to the skilled Pickup Artist. I won't say what it is, you could Wikipedia that or something. In this case, I am talking about using it with multithreading to generate attraction. So last week was the last time I was full out street sarging with a couple of mates. Walking down the street was a guy and two fairly hot girls.

I'm say:

"Hey, hold on a sec, sorry - I'm looking for things to do. I'm not actually from around here...what do people do for fun at night? Oh by the way, that's a wicked t shirt man, looks good on ya. So yeah, what's good in this town?"

So here straight away I fractionate with the opener. Actually I opened them with nothing in my head so this is just the first thing that came out. My goal is to get a personal conversation with them, so I hold an impersonal/socially-acceptable conversation, then transition into a personal one, then swap back again. This is done by interrupting myself and them continuously.

So they proceed to tell me about the clubs and stuff. Then I'm like "Yeah, cool" and be generally disinterested then be like "Oh by the way..." and open up another personal conversation thread. Then before that finishes quickly go back to "So yeah you said x club and y club are pretty good, how can I find them?" Then again interrupt yourself and talk about the personal conversation.

This makes them much more comfortable with your advances in personal conversation. By not ending either conversation thread, you are also using a hypnotic technique called open loops.

Another slightly different way I use fractionation a lot during street game, is I might open a girl by saying "Hey, you seem really nice I just had to say hi." And then I'll say some story that is relevant to them but that is neutral and fairly boring. Then I'll go back to a compliment and say "So how is a nice girl like you choosing to spend the day?" And this time I notice she accepts the compliment much more than the previous time (she is accepting being seduced) due to the fractionation. This is so, so, so powerful, by the way.

Moving on, you said you often open a women asking for directions - well, this technique is exactly what you need to improve that opener. It's a good opener in terms of ease, but the transition is the most important and difficult part of that opener. I must have used it over a thousand times...

With regards to noticing cues about the girl etc - it would take me too long, and I would go on forever and still not cover everything, partly because every girl is different. Also, different societies and cultures etc differ. However, the key is how you integrate it into your game.

So, using our previous example with fractionation - where I open a girl with a compliment and then move to a generic/neutral story that is relevant to her, one common one I do is just to say a brief story about some old woman she must have just walked passed. So here I had to notice from which direction she came from, which enabled me to make the story of her passing some old woman.

Or, I might notice she is wearing eye shadow, so I could make a story about that (preferably a real one!). It's not very difficult and there's no need to overanalyse these cues as far as this technique goes. Just notice something and make a boring story about it, but say it in a slow and interesting way (this has a hypnotic effect). Then encapsulate this generic story in compliments, rinse and repeat. There's your fractionation loop. An entire method of pickup in two great techniques.

These will then lead onto all sorts of different conversations. It's a great starting point.

Does that help answer your questions. Cheers.

Man this post is getting better with each post! Keep it up Rafiel!

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Of course it helps me. ,

The main stumbling block I have is generating more conversation. This information should help.

I need to become better at making open statements and questions to advance my game.

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Oh, I need to improve my inner game as well, also my persistence and resilience. But not many people know about the intricacies of inner game.

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You are the man, Hobbit!!!

Did you undertake meditation to restructure the neurology of your brain?

If so, what form did the meditation take? i think a structured mindset that is suited to the field would be the best for me. I suppose what I need most from inner game is resourcefulness when I'm actually in the field. I think I am too sensitive to women's reactions and will shut down quickly if I don't get the best reaction, yet I know I have so much information and skills to draw on but can not utilize them, though sometimes I can get around and get a good conversation running with a girl but still end up rejecting far too early, though the interaction is generally excellent.

what i mean to say is my mind seems blocked from using all the useful knowledge that it's accumulated when actually out in the field. You can only store one thing in your conscious mind at a time and what mine stores during the interaction isn't helpful at all. Though it's very resourceful, it isn't when it needs to be. I need methods of triggering productive and efficient behaviors in the field.

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". I suppose what I need most from inner game is resourcefulness when I'm actually in the field"


^That is the best thing you said there, in my opinion. Don't mean to keep being the "NLP" guy, but that sounds very NLP, and the field contains some great techniques to allow you to take your resourceful state into a difficult context such as pickup.

It's difficult to have your full resources during pickup. You could know everything about PU but when it comes to the situation you may not be able to apply it or even remember it properly.

The other thing that really helps me is to be 'outside my head' rather than 'inside my head'. If you model 'naturals', this is one thing that they are astonishingly good at. One thing that many of the top 'manufactured' PUAs still won't be able to get on a consistent basis. And there are techniques to help you stay 'out of your head'. What I mean by this is you know when you're with your good friends and you can just laugh and joke and say anything and keep seemless and fun conversation going easily? Well, during those times, you're not having internal thoughts or worries etc, are you? Contrast that with the feeling of AA (and this is not just for AA). In fact this is an area I'm working on presently in terms of new and effective methods. Partly because I think they will help me too.