I'm not embarrased as such but if I were going to tell people I was learning this stuff or had read up on it I'd want to be able to back up my claims first then I could show 'em how...

However if I claimed I was learning to be a PUA then fell flat on my face or didn't get numbers or didn't pull then I'd feel a tit. I only wouldn't if I was with someone who was also trying to learn or someone who was trying to teach me.

haha why do people come out with this bullcrap? pick up is not just about one night stands,
its about self improvement, pushing yourself furhter than youve ever gone, creating a bigger socail circle and above all wen that one girl comes your way you know enough not to fuck it up!

sweet

fiddler

Talking about pick-up is nothing to be scared about. I've never been rejected, even when I tell them: Listen, I help guys get better at picking up women.

They really don't care, just as you wouldn't if a girl said that to you, it just makes them more interesting.

- Exerio

Can I get into a long term relationship by openly telling a female I am a pick up artist?
Can I be honest and sincere with her about this label?

I like being called a man, but I don't like calling myself a pick up artist. Even if I was a master at it I wouldn't be proud of it. My expereiences lead me to believe that using a girl for sex is not healthy.

I am at a big delmia guys. I can't seem to have intercourse anymore without feeling guilty. I think I want a serious relationship.

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Walk Hard

First of all, there are plenty of people here who are highly successful with women that don't claim the title of pick up artist. There were people that were naturally good with women long before the community and they never had titles.

If you don't want to "claim" to be a pick up artist then don't. That's a rather simple concept. There is also nothing wrong with deciding you want a relationship. There have been plenty of people in this community who have given up the "lifestyle" for a monogamous relationship.

The whole point of this is to do what makes you happy. If sleeping with multiple women isn't making you happy, then try a relationship. The biggest mistake you are making here though is being "ashamed". A real man is not ashamed of admitting that he is inept and wants to improve himself. A real man is not ashamed of the fact he has the ability to not mess up with girls.

Stop looking at this from such a negative stand point. Your own insecurities about your life bleed through things like this.

This is turning into a good laugh

bashing people is fun! Its a forum after all, we have to have some amusement! otherwise everyone would take it so seriously.

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Back, starting over as of 2012.

I like your post. Thank you for your sincerity. I am not able to be myself around girls because I am worried that I am doing something "wrong" I am worried that it is my fault for the reason she didn't like me.

This is causing me extreme anguish, and the underlying root of the pain is the belief that there is a perfect method for dealing with women. Being cocky and funny is my method of guidance. It works at first but after I am with the girl for a couple of weeks she doesn't find it amusing anymore, and feels pressured. Then I wonder, well am I too needy. Did I allow myself to be around her to long. Why doesn’t she like me anymore???

WTF does it matter if I care about her and I showed my feelings to her. If she felt pressured because I was giving her a ride from school and helping her with her homework then fuck her, but I didn't get laid….

I have come into the belief that there is a methodology of picking up a girl and if I don't follow it then I am at fault. So I go back to the drawing board on each failed attempt, to sleep with a hottie, and try to formulate my life over again. I try to analyze what I did wrong and fix it so the next girl I get with-- I won’t fuck it up.

Sure! I have been moving up the social hierarchy, but I am failing more than I am succeeding. I am beginning to think the whole PUA mentality is flawed. I am considering the idea that the reason why I am moving up in the social hierarchy is not because of “game” but because of the fact that I am improving my life through college and social interaction. I am starting to believe that if I was O.K. with not getting laid then I wouldn't care if I got the girl or not. If I was O.K. with not getting laid for a year, and that was acceptable to me; then I would be secure in myself. I don’t need pussy to feel good about myself. I don’t need attention to feel loved. I love myself.

I think you can see my point now?

-Magnum45

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Walk Hard

Hell no! what's wrong with aiming to better myself for both my sake and for the sake of the women that I meet?
I don't advertise that I'm a PUA, because it could be damaging but there is absolutely nothing shameful about it.

I bolded the important part of Heraclitus's Integrity definition. If you are damaging yourself by being something why do it?

Integrity:
The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts.
Think only those things that can bear the full light of day.
The content of your character is your choice.
Day by day. What you choose, what you think and what you do is who you become.
Your integrity is your destiny.... It is the light that guides your way. -- Heraclitus

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Walk Hard

If a girl told me that she picked up men to make herself feel better then I would run the other way.

A person is suppose to be O.K. with who they are. If they are "inept" then they need counciling. What they don't need is a bunch of idiots telling them rules on how to get girls.
1.) no rules are absolute
2.) if you don't understand youself the rules dont matter
3.) getting a girl will not make you feel better over long periods of time.
4.) a stable person can be boring and be in the LJBF zone. And be happy with that.

Your forum gave me rules that don't apply to me. I lived my life for 6 months believing in something that only applied to virigins. You will pay.

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Walk Hard

I treasure my name. I don't care about PUA. If you are proud of it, well that is fine. You can use it as a campaign slogan to run for governor.

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Walk Hard

lol:) Magnum we meet again i see .
So what are we gonna pay for? For you not being able to handle basic psychology lessons and not willing to learn how to apply the theory the right way, or maybe for that you just cant find the right pieces of PUA that actually fit you ?

Some people are learning fast, cos they want to learn- they are the ones who invent new things, they apply knowledge. Some people are learning slow, but anyways they learn. Some people don't learn, cos they don't want to- they've found an easier way called IGNORANCE

Cheers
Jez

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“A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes.”

You are turning my post upside down. Why the hell would I feel better by getting a girl? I already feel good, and it is not linked to girls whatsoever. However, if a girl came up and told you that she helps other girls getting a chance with boys to help their life, why would that freak you out? I find that adorable, it is a helpful and non-egoistical reason.

I believe you fail to see that too everyone Pick-up is not ego-based. It is based around helping other people grow in an area where most people encounter problems.

- Exerio

Magnum, you need to get over your fear of "being yourself". No matter what, at some point with a girl you have to be yourself. Especially if you want a relationship. The main attractive quality women look for in men is confidence. As long as you are confident in WHO YOU ARE, you will succeed. You'll get the girls that are RIGHT for you. You can have every girl out there, no one can. You can however be happy, as I said above that is the most important thing here.

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