From what you've written Energy it sounds like you just stuck up for yourself and she couldn't handle it at first but latter respecting your (not unreasonable) actions.

I guess it depends on how she said what she said and how you said what you said... not necessarily the words themselves.

Being an asshole to other guys is totally pointless. It makes you look insecure and an attention seeker. Not to mention that you're sewing seeds of resentment. I totally agree with the confidence part but a long with that the most confident guys I know are really nice guys who have a great energy around them and say what they want to say. They don't go around trying to pick fights with people. They are just themselves totally and honestly.



I like that a lot.

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When comparing a nice MPUA and a jerk MPUA, I'd say that the nice MPUA wins hands down. Girls don't like the asshole part of a jerk, they like his confidence and control over others. If you can be nice and have all the confidence and control over people, you're twice as good. That's my opinion.

Take Neil Strauss for example. He's a very nice guy and he shows control and power. That also shows maturity.


I also know a guy that's just starting as a PUA, and he had his little douche-bag phase. It didn't last long, because he realized that his friends started leaving him, and that kind of woke him up.

pepsi i have no clue why you quoted me and then tryed to argue a point i didn't say.. i never once said to be an asshole to other guys and try to pick fights.. and mystical you basically restated what i said and threw in neil strauss' name..

I repeat.. Girls like the Confidence about a guy not the asshole part.. so stop taking what i say out of context..

Watching my friends coming from all canned material I noticed that a lot of them got meaner than they were and they were alienating just as many people as they were drawing attraction from.

But really, Once you see a good pua in action you just don't have to be mean.

I myself rarely if ever use negs. I only see fit to use them if the girl is being stuck up or mean.

I've found that as long as they are willing to talk to me, which most are, I don't even need the neg. I've got the skills to make attraction with out a lot of teasing. Which might go against what most people think is the right way to build attraction.

Just elicit high energy states.

The most important thing to keep in mind, is that mystery method/Speed Seduction/Mode 1 etc.. are really just starting points to get you to the phase where you can just be natural about the game.

Great quote.

And it's not just PUAs. One of the biggest jerks I've ever met is my friend, he's a good friend to us, but he refuses to make friends with anyone and is constantly wanting to get in fights (but never does).

I agree for the most part with the major I think there has to be a medium just like everything in the PUA game ... you can't be nice to the point women are running you over like a bus ... but you can't be mean like being straight asshole like calling females bitches and what not ... I think a MPUA knows the balance, and knows when to be nice and knows when to be mean ...

Let me tell you how I see this stuff.

Under no circumstances I would act like an asshole. Being a JERK is not cool, or desirable in any way.

Being a good, and nice person is not being submissive, is just having some empathy for people, (google empathy if you dint know what is it), having a reasonable worry for how people feels, and to act accordingly.

I learned balance the focus of the interaction, between myself and the other person. That way I'm not being selfish (jerk) or coming across as needy (way too nice).

What I wrote here, is not something I learned from any PUA or something fancy like that, its just plain old maturity and common sense, two things that are rare on forums like this one.

The media and the dating industry/community has fucked up the "Nice Guy", as if being nice was like being a needy geek. Being nice is always good, dont let yourself be fooled, you just need to know how much "niceness" is needed.

Being a jerk is always bad... If you act like a jerk to get girls maybe you are a jerk already.

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Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

This is what you said: .

I wasn't arguing with you I was disagreeing about the part of nice guys finishing last. Also, just because I quoted you does not mean I'm arguing with you.

Agreed. I think too much niceness is when you start to sacrifice yourself to make her happy. In other words being a push over. Being nice in a good way is just being understanding (empathetic ) and fun with a girl.

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Another part of it is that although women want sex they don't want to ever feel easy or sluty. As a result they will be reluctant to initiate or escalate kino and may even resist as things gets more intimate. In this situation "nice" guys often give them time and space and concequently the momentum is lost. What the guy should do is take charge more and so she feels less responsible afterwards and can tell herslef that it just happened and she did resist a reasonable amount. Of course I'm not condoning rape, I'm just saying that sometime when women resist slightly the guy shouldn't just give up instead just go back a few steps.

Also it should be remembered that there are plenty of AFC and naturals... that's aren't nice.

This is on track to some of my own opinion on this. I've seen this quoted earlier on: "The nice guy doesn't et the girl" or something similar. That saying has been around. IMO in that saying Nice Guy = Needy Wuss pushover. Being a jerk is one way of not beeing a needy wuss pushover and it might be the easiest to figure out (hence why people go that way when starting out). Heck the bad boy persona has been hyped by some gurus as a target behavor to emulate (David DeAngelo notably) and some people must be doing tohe link Bad Boy = Jerk. Now that being said there is a lot more types of personalities out there that isn't a Needy Wuss without being a Jerk. I prefer the Gentelmen persona myself.

I think that guys who are assholes or jerks get girls sometimes because they do spark emotion in a girl. Even if it is negative emotion some girls are kinda screwed up emotionally. Im sure im not the only guy out there who has been with a girl who started a pointless fight that pissed you off beyond belief. Then right after the peak of her anger when she starts calming down she all of a sudden wants crazy wild make up sex. The fight sturrs her emotions and probly gets her estrogen flowing. Same with guys who are jerks that piss the girl off and pretty soon shes got hormones flowing thru her and the guy who was the jerk was responsible so he ends up with the girl. Ive seen it happen. Another thing i noticed is that people tend to remember bad things that happen and dwell on them. Im sure if you thought about someone long enough you would start to think you are interested in them. With hormones pretty soon that anger could turn in to sexual frustration. If only we could go back for just a day and visit the cave man era and club us a couple of ladies and get back into thier mindset maybe then we could understand the whole asshole jerk thing a little better.

Skankin

Skankin...WTF are you talking about?

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Kalle Lasn

"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

I thought this thread was about guys being jerks and if since starting PUA if you are a more of a jerk then before. Maybe i miss understood. But i was just trying to rationalize the reasoning behind someones mindset who is acting like a jerk.

I guess i could have just said "No im not more of a jerk now just because i pick up girls. Here are possible reasons why people are jerks or think its alright to be a jerk and why girls are into them ect.."

Does that help clerify my previous statement or did i just completly miss the whole topic?

Skankin,

You made perfect sense the first time around. Unlike men, whose goal is to stick dick into vagina, women need to be loved by the entire room . . . Even some of the hottest, most confident women get irritated by that one guy who doesn't give a fuck about her. So, you kids know the drill . . . what does the typical attention whore say about a guy like this? "Oh, he's a jerk! What an asshole! What a total dick!" Meanwhile, she's imagining how she'll go about sucking his cock later on. She'll get up and do the chicken dance for him if it meant he'll change his views on her.

Much like this guy here,
Ohhhh . . . did a bunch of "PUA's" hurt your feelings? They insulted you? They don't want to be your friend? Your poor little heart! You're right . . .they must be total dicks! Well, next time, maybe you can buy them drinks and talk nice to them . . . Smile at them! Show some teeth . . . shake some ass . . . show off your moonwalk. I bet if you try a little harder, they'll chummy up to you. Lots of luck little fella!

By the way, shouldn't the initial post have been made in "pick-up-artist-envy-forum.com"?
Pointless to who? Wow, I can feel your little heartache from here. . .

Now, time to get serious.

Very seldom do I punish my fellow man but when I do, I do it for a reason and I do it with flair. If I go to a bar or a club and I run into a whiny, complaining wuss who is fucking up a good time, I will do what I need to do to get that LOSER out of that picture. If he is stubborn and won't leave, and hellbent on ruining the vibe for everybody, he will be the butt of all my jokes and negativity for the rest of the night.

Here's the original statement one more time:
Really? How come I seldom receive this "dick attitude" from guys who do well with chicks? If YOU are the one who is receiving this negativity on a consistent basis, (ALL THE GUYS WHO . . .) then consider some self reflection to figure out just exactly "WHO IS THE ASSHOLE"?