Everyone has their poison.

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When I read this post I instantly thought of myself, and was a little sad because i'm pretty certain im guilty of this. I only have a few posts, and i most of the time give my opinion rather than ask a question, and by no means am i an expert, but i am going into the field and trying, so i dont believe im a kj.
But I like what Mandals said about different learning methods. Ive always learned better by helping and teaching someone else that was having trouble, because it forces me to think about the problem in different ways and how to convey it to that person so they will learn, so i inturn, interalize it. But that dosent mean i should give advice about problems i dont understand fully, It's unfair to the person with the problem. But i understand what your post was about chief, and i believe it helped, thanks.

Chief, I agree with you one hundred percent.

I also know I have/do/will probably fit into the category of people you've described.

I also realize that most people will also fit in there.

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This is the kind of thing that one has to try and avoid as much as possible, without changing too much though. If we all sit back and try to obtain advice from those who we know and trust to be learned in the arts, then, unfortunately, this forum would not be what it is today. The activity of EVERYONE here helping, and contributing is what makes the community exactly that. A Community. This is not an "ask the expert" website, not is it meant to be a mosh-posh of worthless advice. It's the exact middle ground that helps to breed what we call PUAs.

I agree that we (as a community, and I include myself without hesitation) have gone overboard with this, but I also want people to realize that we can not go from one extreme to another. I feel, rather, we should continue as we were, with a bit more care when giving out advice. We should also not hesitate to question advice. This community can benefit from criticism more than anything else.


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Basically, to sum it up,

I feel that the community needs this kind of behavior in order to survive as what it is, a community.

We need to be here to help redirect those who ask the wrong questions.
We need to criticize those who give advice.
We need to accept criticism on our advice.

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Hi,

I too feel like I perhaps have a negative attitude toward women. I don't necessarily "hate" women, I just respect them less than I do men. Since I've started using PUA techniques (about 3 months now) from reading books, watching Youtube videos, and internet forums, my success with women has increased tenfold, and my lack of respect has also grown stronger. To summarize, I've obtained a more negative view of women AND gotten better with them. While I still don't claim to be "good" with women at all, I was wondering if you wanted to address this. I'm not trying to sound caddy or antagonistic towards your post, I just seriously want some advice or your comments. thanks.

good post. we ARE males and the word alpha doesn't mean ego and giving out advices when you never have the guts to try yourself, most of the advices i hear from so many are orginal advices from mpua and those who truly are trying in field. Now you can also tell the differences between a wanna be who spends all his time on the computer and giving out advices and laying out false reports and those who live in the field living the dream, is the difference in number of posts between the two. those puas it in field living the life is busier than those who only dream buit still give out advices every now and then are the ones you can trust in a way. i very seldom post since i spend most of my time working and paryting. Remember practice ain't shit, you learn by doing it by experiencing it.

Solid Chief, just fucking solid. I tend to fall into this a bit because before I found The Game and than the Community, my Aspergers Syndrome diagnosis prevented from knowing shit (I learn amazing, shitty instinctivally). I feel that it is better to come at this from this perspective:

-I am doing this for no one else but myself
-The goals I have are those I decided on

Pick-Up is not a way to exorcise demons, your demons will come to the fore and fuck with your frame. If you have demons, get some help. I have gone through periodic spells of depression and am still marginally experiencing one right now (I still get counseling occasionally). Any other insecurities you have about wanting to prove yourself or make up for past failures need to be dealt with as they will only hold you back (this episode is holding me back, if only the tiniest bit).

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Amazing post, you truly hit the nail on its head. I don't know what to say I am not that good of a PUA but I believe that being here allows me to understand things that I have never quite understood. And to know that I am not the only one struggling.

And I absolutely agree with the passion of PUA, I joined this community because I was frustrated that I could never show off my affection for women the way I wanted to. I think that for most people who joined this forum picking up women wasn't the first thing on their minds when they started, just talking to them was already an achievement!

When i first started This whole PU thing about 2001. i was in it for the Ego, Not the girls, or to improve myself.. none of that. I wanted to prove myself to other guys and blah blah blah. Through out the years... i grew wiser. Why am i in this? why am i doing all this for? Is it for the girls? social status? Ego? I quickly learned that my male Ego had completely consumed me and the way i think, act and live by. But i learned to get over that. I am to guilty of having my Ego talk then having my better half talk. since i found this Community and guidance along the way i have bettered myself and it really helps my inner game. Ego's? who needs them. The hard thing is that our Egos are Built in us. You cant truely get rid of it ,you only can tame it. Great post Chief. You hit it right on the spot. Made my heart tremble and also recall back some old memories from the past. If every Male can tame there Ego the world would be a better place. on another note i feel that the more Sucess you have the bigger your Ego Meter goes up soo in that sense
More sucess= bigger Ego
some how theres gotta be away to get that happy Medium

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I think a certain amount of bitterness is kind of a stage of PUA, it was for em at least.
Looking back it wasn't anything they did it was just me struggling with inner game. I had gone from having no women and no idea how to connect with them to using scripted lines and basically being a robot. The thing that annoyed me was it worked, my years of thinking I was a quirky interesting guy seemed wasted.
As soon as I dropped the canned stuff and was just a better version of myself I realized how amazing women are. There is no such thing as the perfect girl because in my eyes there are hundreds of amazing "perfect" women, with cool stories, interesting hobbies and what I can only really describe as beautiful souls/spirits (I'm not sure how to articulate that hopefully someone else will).
The only other thing that made me dislike women to begin with was when they don't respect themselves but is that their fault?

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This is an awesome post man.

I think that these keyboard jockey's are usually recognized as such by anyone who's been in for longer than a month. These KJ's either lose interest in this community or they are caught out on their bluffs so I don't think they pose a threat to the forum.

These posters are to any public forum as spam is to email. After a while you recognize them and just ignore.



LJ,

You mean prince habubu doesnt really want to give me 98.4 million US dollars?

Nicely said tho LJ, i personally agree they pose no threat as long as the true highlights of the forum post high quality things regularly. Guys, its really easy to get bored of the simple questions but either dont reply or post something good. Quality > quantity.

so how can i 'tame' my ego? can i ask advice here or a differant thread

I think this thread needs a...

lol I love how ironic this thread is

Chief I agree with everything in your post 100% until you do the edit.

Are women really a hobby? Is that a healthy way to approach another human being?

I understand your compansion and love for another women, but do you need to LOVE all women in order to fall in love with one. I think that looking at ALL women with extreme love is objectifying. Each women is different. In our society it's important to treat them as individuals not as objects. The swimmer is in LOVE with an action, and not a person.

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