Sticking to the script is a valid point, but at the end of the day PUA is like a salad bar: take what you want and leave the rest. Take a little something from every PUA, every theory, and most importantly develop your own game.

The Stylelife challenge is great and for a total AFC I would recommend following to the letter, but if you are already developing some PUA skill before the challenge and are fully capable of advancing at a faster pace, why not go for that? The true goal of PUA from a technical POV is to eventually develop your own system and your own methods based on everything you've absorbed in the past.

I did something similar as the challenge came out after my AFC days were largely over, but I wanted to try it to improve my skills so I performed it in a modified and accelerated way... and it worked out well for me.

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Things like this follow a certain logical progression, and it's not just about comfort. You are probably comfortable enough to do some of the things prescribed on Day 25, but the point is that you are building up to it--making sure everything is perfect. You are rebuilding the engine piece by piece, and you need to make damn sure you follow directions. What is it with men and thinking a program is a set of suggestions rather than a roadmap? You can't skip steps no matter how well you think you've got it covered. For fuck's sake man, it's ONLY 30 DAYS! What's the rush? Take your time and do exactly as the program suggests.

Again, it's like a training program given to you by a world class coach--you don't skip steps just because you think you're ready.

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Wrong. As I said before, any of these things work within a particular framework. If you don't do all of the things prescribed in Juggler's Method, it may well not work.

Now yes, there are some universal things that you can gain that is universal to all pick-up methods, and will help you whatever you do. But most of these things are probably much more complex than you realize. It's not like a buffet, you can't just take things willy-nilly and expect to get the best results because they methods build intellectually on other concepts in ways that the creators themselves may well no know.

Mystery's Method does certain different things that Juggler's Method does, and if you don't do all the things that MM prescribes, you will not reap the full results.

You can just choose premises at random and expect the conclusion to follow logically. In the say way, you can't take look at several methods and pick and choose what you like based on personal preference and expect the result to naturally follow.

You should ESPECIALLY not do this when you are brand new to the game. Perhaps when you are extremely skilled and you have followed every method out exactly as suggested to try the results, you can develop your own system, reflecting on the ones before you, but do not dismiss them before you have tried them as offered.

If you were given a recipe by a friend and you decided to make a bunch of substitutions and it turned out shitty, can you turn around and tell him that his recipe sucks? No. Because you didn't follow the recipe.
Part of the goal of a PUA is to figure out things that work best for him, but you can only discover than by doing things correctly the first time. Using the recipe analogy I used before--how can you know if something is a good dish if you make all kinds of ingredient substitutions. You have to do something by the book several times, before you figure out exactly what is supposed to be going on and you can make improvements on the original to suit you personal taste.
Good for you. But you didn't do the Stylelife Challenge. You built your own Frankenstein creations and happened to use it the SC as inspiration.

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Lo' there do I see My Father.
Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
in the Halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.

The point of reading PUA material isn't to get all of the lines and routines and to use them all the time, it's to have a basis for creating your own on the fly.

I want direct game, not canned lines and openers.

Day one of the SC was making small talk with strangers. Day two is making eye contact also. I just so happened to make eye contact on day one, because that's how I talk. So, I didn't "skip" day one, I accidentally went on with day two, unknowingly.

Sorry I'm not doing as you do, masta.

Chill, like I said.. when I wind up with a year of read experience and no field experience or success, I'll say "man, I should've listened to that dude". But as of right now, I'm doing well, and I'm creating my own journey, which is the entire point of me doing this in the first place.

If you want to bash the way I do things, do it in a PM, so I know you're not just trying to get the upper hand publicly. The Stylelife challenge is to learn the game in thirty days, and the way I'm going, I'll have more than just the challenge under my belt.

Oh, and by the way, for those that are interested.. Continued my eye contact today, submitted a very nice looking girl. Another girl kinda confused me. She held my eye contact until she walked past. Does this mean she just thought I was weird, or was trying to submit me, or liked looking at me, or what?

Hmmm.. I wonder if you've had a chance to read Badboy's Lifestyle e-book. In it he pretty much rips on canned material, routines, etc and his "system" he advises you to follow is a "system" that you create that's largely dependent on natural game and your own strengths.

Your ideas of following a system exactly are not necessarily wrong, in fact I agree with you. I am saying that there are OTHER WAYS which can also be right. If there was only one correct way to be a PUA, every PUA would follow that system. But there isn't. There are many paths.

Maybe he will fuck up and have to go back the drawing board. Maybe he will fail in his quest to make his own journey. But you know what? Modifying technical game is EASY and can be fixed in a single night's sarge. It's attitude, inner game, and the ability to make countless approaches - that's the true skill in being a PUA.

Give a PUA script to a total loser, have him memorize it, and tell him to go up to this girl and bs him and make him think he's acting and so is she - and he will get the girl if he delivers the script convincingly. Does that make him a PUA? No. If you learn how to punch and kick effectively, does that make you a true martial arts master? No.

As Neil Strauss said "Choose your dojo." And per Badboy's advice, the dojo I've created is my own. Can it work for everyone? Absolutely not... but it's only meant to work for me.

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The lines and routines are irrelevant and not at all what I'm talking about.
You can have direct game with or without canned lines and openers. Direct game just involves assuming attraction at the outset, which is usually a function of strong inner game, good appearance, and strong non-verbal communication.

In any case, if you want to focus on direct game without canned lines, maybe the Stylelife system just isn't your method--RSD or Gunwitch may suit you better.
That's fine. I'm not advocating that you sit in your room and do nothing other than the Stylelife Challenge. If you happened to exude good eye contact, great. You just spent two days practicing instead of one.
See this is what I don't understand--why reinvent the wheel for the sake of "doing it yourself"? I think you should approach it in exactly the opposite way. People have had success with the existing methods. Lot of success. Do the Stylelife Challenge. Then try Juggler's Method. Then do Gunwitch. Keep notes and remember what each did and how they worked for you.

After you have tried most of all of the methods...THEN, break them down, analyze them. Decide which worked well and why. THEN you can try and discover the foundational principles and developing your own system that works best for you. But stick to doing the established methods exactly as prescribed for a good long while. Instead of reinventing the wheel, roll it around for a few hundred miles. Then after you've played with it like it's supposed to be played and had some experience doing it right--THEN you can try and figure out the underlying principles and build on the original design.


Why would I care about getting the upper hand publicly? So I can show how awesome I am in front of all of my super-cool forum pals? Look at my post history. I don't pull punches from anyone. I don't have anything personally against you. I just don't care about beating around the bush.

More importantly, why should you care? If I'm right, admit it; if I'm wrong, prove it; if I'm an asshole, ignore it.
Great, I encourage you to do so. Sarge every night if you can. Just follow the system as it is prescribed.
Did she do anything or just look like she was trying to stare you down?

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Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
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I haven't though I should--I hear good things.
Being that I haven't read it, I don't feel qualified to comment on any of that.
Hopefully I cleared this up in the previous post a little. I don't believe there is one single path that you must take to be successful, and I think you will have some success no matter what you do, especially for a beginner. Like in an exercise program--a beginner can pretty much do anything active and see progress.

I am not saying there is only one path, I'm saying that if you take a path, you follow the path. You don't just take a glance at it, think it is a pretty decent path, and start going on "something like it".


Maybe, and probably. But like I said, why reinvent the wheel? It works fine as it is--just build on it. Experience the system as it is supposed to be experienced for awhile, and THEN try building onto it. Otherwise, how will you know if the results that you got were from the system or from some random variable that you didn't account for.
To be honest, I disagree with you. But while this would be a very interesting discussion that we could expand on in another thread, I think it goes beyond the scope of this topic.

I do agree that inner game is important though. How you arrive at inner game is a matter of some dispute which would make for another interesting (if rehashed) conversation.
I certainly advocate self-awareness, but going back to the exercise analogy--there is a wealth of scientific research regarding effective training systems. Following that, there are authorities that have an enormous amount of personal and client experience on what works and what doesn't, whose opinion ought to carry a good deal of weight.

Self awareness comes into play in an important regard in dealing with the minute--but important--factors that are difficult (if not impossible) to control for. Some people are genetic freaks, and need to realize this. Louie Simmons lifts weights in a very different manner than my fat next door neighbor should.

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Lo' there do I see My Father.
Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
in the Halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.

Well I'm doing my own thing because it's how I learn. I don't learn how to improvise by learning the underlying techniques, I learn by improvising. That's the type of learner I am. If you're good at something to improvise, you're good enough to explain what you're doing.

I don't want to do GWM, I've already read most of it and I'm not out just to f-close a bunch of girls.

I think you're thinking I haven't done my research or anything. I've read several methods, halfway through MM, etc. There's a million and one different methods out there. And I am sticking to Stylelife, I'm just enriching it with body language work so I can better myself in two places at once.

I walked by her, held her eye contact for a good five seconds, then we passed each other. There was no emotion on her face or anything.

I give up.
No, I'm thinking that you haven't followed any of the methods through from start to finish for any significant length of time. You've probably mulled them over in your head a good deal though, I'm sure.
There was no connection. She was challenging you--either to back down, or to do something. Next time, try giving a response...either a slow, knowing smile followed by a wink, a comic tip of the hat (or invisible hat if yo have none), etc.

Do something. She's waiting for it.

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Lo' there do I see My Father.
Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
in the Halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.