Surely you agree, that you can turn yourself from a 2 ...to something closer to a 10? which proves the OP wrong and that he shouldn't give up and spread his defeatist attitude?

Because, frankly, i used to to be the same way, but with blood, swear and tears, I changed that part of me.

Now if you're born diformed, disabilities then I will accept that this could be a difficult to solve.

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Let me tell you guys a story about a boy named Sashi. He was a very deformed, handicapped person, needed glasses and could not leave his wheelchair. He was very short, didn't have proper legs and his arms were both bent in weird angles.
There was another boy with a slight handicap, his name was Chana. He had a healthy body for the most part, he had a little slump due to his handicap, but that was most of it.

I met both of them during a volunteering project for handicapped children in Sri Lanka.
Sashi was respected by both the staff and fellow handicapped students/residents. There was some very old fashioned thinking going on over there, so this was no small feat.
He didn't have a strong body, but all the girls liked him, he had all the other alpha male qualities. He was a leader, a good and responsible student, and made all the right kind of jokes to girls at the right times.

Chana was one of the kids closest to having a completely healthy body. He struggled with a lot of self doubt growing up, and none of the girls liked him. He started lying to them on the phone about being a soldier, and being strong, and when the leadership and nurses found out, they punished him by taking away his phone. (which I think was quite stupid, they should've addressed the root cause which was his low self esteem, that's where the old fashioned thinking came in. You do stupid thing, you are little baby, you cannot have phone) Chana looked up to me a lot, he wanted to be more like me I think. I wished I could have helped him more, although I got annoyed at some point by how clingy he got. I can't really blame him, I was the only (adult) that listened to him and took him seriously.

Sashi went on to setup and own several small dvd/music/media stores. Everybody loves him, Including me, he is a great guy, I hope his business goes well, he'll be very successful at it and that he finds a wife and has a healthy family.

Conclusion? Ugly or deformed has absolutely NO relation to how attractive you are.

Likewise, I met a very deformed girl while I was there as well (though not in the same town), she was short, had 1 ear, 1 very deformed arm and hand. She was using needles and thread to make souvenirs for tourists together with her friends and relatives. One of her friends was pretty. I was much more attracted to the deformed girl though. She was sweet, humble, and very, very feminine. I was a stranger there, but almost picked her up to hug her several times and if I could have kissed her I probably would have. I don't have some kind of fetish, I tend to go for the pretty girls.

Moral: Attraction isn't a choice, and it certainly doesn't depend on looks.

Of course I do. But not like, from a 2 to a 10, no way. Confidence, style, a good haircut and a good attitude, coupled with good fitness, skin care etc can certainly raise your potential.

I guess it is subjective, if the oP was to post a pic, i'm willing to bet he isnt that bad and can be improved upon, but i guess he wont do that because that means we might give him advice that isnt easy to solve

My friend has one leg and just bones sexy strippers ALL the time. He is rich and got a lot going for him besides looks. He is very much in shape and really cool.

I challenge the OP to post pic, if he looks like Shrek then i will accept that he has it bad, but if he is just hiding behinf his words, then why should be help him

(PM me if you dont want to post public)

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One of the guys here, had a serious disease. It looked like his eyes were literally melting off of his face.
Short of surgery, there is no way he would even be able to get a fat/ugly chick, unless she was also seriously deformed.

Don't know about OP, but I've pointed out before, that you can't just scale point to point and assume it's all the same. It's much easier for a 7 to pick up another 7 than it for a 3 to pick up a 3. That's because 3s are not sexually attracted to one another. Any guy below a 4, has literally no chance at pickup. None. He is wasting his time with strange women, even if he's cool with fat girls.
He's going to have to get to know any woman to get somewhere(only exception would be meth game).
Beautiful women at Wal-Mart, lol
EVERYWHERE!

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Too funny. Almost as funny as the guy who thinks flirting with his gf improves his game more so then the guy who is banging the guns regularly or the guy with his two cents despite not leaving his house in 2015. Unreal. A lot of PU forum users should really go into stand up comedy.

Yes. Meth game, as in keeping meth and offering it women who are meth users(you probably also need to be a user). AKA the actual Gunwitch method.
Dudes who are 2-3s can fuck some 6s who haven't been used up just yet. Trick is to find them while addicted, but not yet well connected or physically falling apart yet.
I'm not an expert on it, but I'm aware of it.

There is only so much difference between a male 7 and a 10. But a 3 and a 6? It's a massive chasm. Dudes who are 3s, simply cannot wander up to strange women and get dates. Not even ugly chicks, because she's almost as turned off by his looks as the pretty girls. That's what she settles for in a boyfriend(because she's also a 3), but she has no initial interest in this man. And he can't improve that enough in ten minutes.

It's like direct game. If you're under a 6, it's suicide. It will almost never work. 4-5 = indirect. 3- = work social circle.

What I think so many don't get is how to properly and improperly extrapolate things. Let's say we see a fat guy with a pretty girl.
First, he does not consistently date women this attractive. I have yet to meet the normal guy, who consistently dates women 3 points hotter than he is.
Second, he did not meet this woman in a bar. They have mutual friends, work together, go to the same church, etc.

You cannot take a fat guy who met his only attractive girlfriend at work, and extrapolate that onto another fat guy in a bar, meeting strange women and consistently banging them. They are day and night different.

It's about like saying that because Greg can shoot and kill a bear with a rifle, Tom can therefore kill the same bear, with a fishing knife. Yeah, technically possible, but Tom has mighty long odds compared to Greg. Then we add consistency. So Tom is now going to kill MANY bears with his fishing knife. Yeah, no. Not going to happen.

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This makes a lot of sense. Especially during the SC game you are allowed to build up much more subconscious attraction in women because you have more time with them. You can also use your attractive women friends as social proof which counters the looks barrier.

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Exactly. Looks never stand in the way.
Just bring the party. Like this guy.

Never mind the obvious downs syndrome. I bet he bangs 8s with all his swag.

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I completely agree that a negative mindset isn't helping. For sure. 100%.

I agree that a personable, social, outgoing, funny guy who - even if he's not attractive at all - can build himself up to get girls outside of his means with fashion, fitness, confidence, style, etc...

But c'mon guys - Looks DO matter. This isn't a new and shocking revelation. There are ways to improve looks, but there's a reason you never see 2s with 9s.

Thinking someone who's not attractive can overcome his looks by being positive is sort of like a stage 5 cancer patient thinking he'll win the battle with laughter... It helps... but it's not going to be what puts him over the top.

As am I.

OP - you can PM me if you don't want to post it. I'm happy to give you some pointers...

In the instances we see someone unattractive with someone with a partner who is several deviations better looking than they are happens however, the person would have something of substance, something attractive in other ways to off suit their attractiveness. What is most ironic is that, attractiveness or unattractiveness is short lived yet, we base so much emphasis and importance on attractiveness and appeal.

I have seen guys who were unattractive but, they got pretty girls and it was due to the fact they had so much other things to offer that was no money. They were a man of action, passionate, they seem to be exciting, and fun to be around. I met someone like that last weekend. While they were naturally attractive, their charm, charisma, and self expression only made them all the more attractive.

I think extreme self acceptance is ideally a place of autonomy. It all begins here. "Fake it till you make it" is less calibrate and usually comes off clumsy at best. I suppose the best alternative would be to accept you for who you are, lose your ego or come to grips with it through acceptance and letting go (meditate on it). When approaching, you see everyone as the same even though, we all vibrate at different frequencies and some people resonate to us more than others.

Being ugly makes it harder. But i know ugly guys who were successful with women; however, they had other things going for them (like power). This is the problem with a cold approach. A cold approach will rarely work for an ugly guy, but that is not how ugly guys need to pick up girls. You need social proof, power, and other things going for you to attract. Of course no girl will be interested in a random creepy ugly guy approaching them out of nowhere with no context. This isn't surprising, but it's not the way an ugly guy should go about picking up girls.

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This.

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