Thanks for the response, I agree with most said. I think What has been working me, I am doing less of the 'sarging' and being more authentic by clearing my head empty and just say what is on my mind. I find it goes much better because the girls sense when you're not in hunt mode and not pretending to shop for clothes but actually shopping.

I do like warped mind's post and I agree with it. But seems to be more tailored to girls that are not in a rush and have conversation strikers (camera) - some girls don't give you much to work with and sometimes I hust gotta use the traditional "I have to come over and say hi bla bla" bollocks as a default which I hate using.

Being so social and extroverted is an emotional drain for me (introverted) - the day I changed my game to be more calm, less jokey and high energy and more sexual....things are now great (besides my daygame)

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Ok so in a dynamic situation. What I've used is this...

I begin by talking on my phone to no one in particular or actually talking to someone, but only a person who makes me laugh no serious shit, or negative people. I'm walking down the street while doing this. I catch her in my peripheral vision without directly looking at her or pausing or anything so she doesn't know I saw her at all.

I enjoy myself and have a crazy self amusing rant to no one on the phone while the distance between us gets shorter and shorter. When she gets within around 6 feet I make some sort of hand movement or something that hooks her eye and in that split of a second I "happen" to glance her way like any person would when someone pops up close to them. The "glance" has the impact of my avatar, but I throw a "curious face" around the eyes.

I think this has the same effect of the fate opener, in this dynamic day game environment.

I'll go ahead and talk about what happens next, but the above part is the part I wanted to talk about mainly because guys were unable to see how fate openers could be used in dynamic environments.

I categorize their different reactions and I calibrate direct vs indirect here. The reactions I've seen. Licking lips and strong eye contact back. I go direct on these girls because they are ready to go.

Looking at the feet she's nervous so I go indirect like asking for directions to a coffee shop or juice bar. (the place I intend on insta-dating them to)

She looks away to the side. This is an "I'm not available" sign. And I let her pass.

She refuses to look at me. These girls are consciously using every effort to keep their eyes away from me so even with my sudden movement she won't look my direction because she is controlling her actions or she is too distracted with some thought that she isn't paying attention to the outside world. These girls have to be cold approached the old fashioned way and I calibrate off of something called a punchy question.

To add some fate to the 4th chick who didn't notice me at the beginning or is pretending not to. I'm thinking maybe I should stick my foot out and trip her to make her fall. Then apologize for my clumsiness helping her up and then transitioning into a normal conversation.

That last part was a joke, but I can't really think of a way of adding fate to a girl like that at the moment. Maybe I'll brainstorm on some creative ideas.

Anyway, this saves a tremendous amount of time. I don't like to blindly cold approach anymore after developing this skill set. The guy who I winged with off of this site couldn't tell what the hell was going on even while I demonstrated it to him in person. I then explained it and he claimed it was an easy game that was dictated by women. And bashed me for allowing women to dictate my choice. (As he was bashing me I thought about how he got rejected by every woman he cold approached every day we went out, but I didn't mention it.) I think it saves time if you want to just screen women.

Anyway, after studying under Justin Wayne, I have some stuff I'll try in the future on the look away girls since Justin's system is dedicated specifically to turning maybe/no girls into yes girls.

Haven't field tested it yet due to my obsession with money this last month, but will very very soon.

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Life gets hectic. Stress sets in and when I my thoughts get stupid, I realize i need to go meditate. I took meditation away from martial arts as a child. I also enjoy yoga which feels great and it has lots of women who are into being flexible and fit.
I notice that girls can be shy or awkward. You sort of have to push and plow. You get a hook point with persistence or there is none because of no chemistry. And that is okay too. I know immediately that way. I always go for numbers in day game. I give a reason why we should hangout. False time restraint too.
I know what you mean. I was spamming through PU over the holidays. I had quite a few in my life so, I did not care but, being extremely extroverted does drain the energy. Doing PU in volume like that has a way of draining a man. Also, surrounding yourself with lots of women especially party girls is annoying because you see so much toxic behavior. You handle a lot of bullshit and sometimes, it is not even the least bit worth it. I have to be honest. I always thought it would be easier then it really is. Interestingly, when you both hit it off, it just seems that way.

how would you engineer "the universe brought us together" move in a train? i normally take the train sometimes a very preety girl sits nexts to me and unless i can think of a perfect opener i never open because i will obviously get blown out and i have noticed at least for me that it is easier when the girl alights than when she is on the train with so many people nearby.

My wing was on the subway during rush hour. He saw a cute girl with her mother. There was no room anywhere so, he made small talk. When she left, he tapped her on the shoulder and said she dropped this. It was a piece of paper with his number on it. She texted him that he was really sweet but, that she had a bf. They hung out regardless and she introduced him to her single girl friends. Pretty cool. I came in to PU because i want to make a woman feel like, the universe brought us together but more importantly, i want that feeling too.

I did some PU on a train before but, it was usually on a way to a big rave, concert, football game or some sort of event that brought synergy. Baseball games are great for PU as is any sporting event. I do the PU in cafes like starbucks, coffee culture, holistic nutritional stores, health food shops, and a variety of other places. You got to be creative but, forget the linear "i need some special opener." Just do it, make the approach, have a reason to hangout again no matter how cheesie. I did PU on a girl who was working at Game Stop. It feel amazing when your maps align and the universe brings you both together.

This. In any situation there are many things the guy & the girl could talk about.

PU on trains is easy.

I had to ride the bus, then catch a train to work 5 days a week back when I had an office job down town. Cute girls sat next to me all of the time, or I would go sit next to them.

The thing about trains is that it's a static situation. I find in static situations going super direct on women causes feelings of anxiety in the girl because she has to be around you for extended periods of time, and can lead to social awkwardness.

A lot of times the girls who sit next to me find an excuse to spark conversation. Mainly because I'm handsome and in incredible shape, and dress very cleanly and stylishly. But, when I feel like opening the indirect opener I use is to make a comment about the train enviornment usually jokes about other people or how packed it is. It doesn't matter. The formula is a light hearted comment or joke about the surroundings. Then after we thread back and forth on that for a few lines if she is interested she will present topics I can expand on which will cause her to qualify herself (make herself look cool). At which point I'll just start seeding date ideas me and her can do in the future. after about 3-4 seeded dates I close her number and continue talking to her until I get off the train. I'm not a fan of the snatch a number and run tactic. It causes flake percentages to skyrocket because that's what every other guy does.

I also don't give my number out to women as a rule. Rarely will they take the initiative and call you and I find only chumps do that, or offer that as advice.

If I want to go direct I will change it to a light hearted comment about something she is doing or paying attention too. The formula for direct is to show her that you picked her out of the crowd, and you're curious about her as a person. Like asking her what song she's listening to, or simply saying how has her day been.

The whole fate thing is backwards rationalized because you aren't screaming "i want to fuck you" with these methods. So she thinks wow, if I hadn't have caught that train at that exact time I wouldn't have sat next to that friendly cool guy.

People spend too much time thinking about the intro in my opinion. You still have to balance your negative and positive body language which says 1000x more about your interest than your words. Your eye contact and the direction your body is facing.

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Exactly. I never do routines. There are habitual practices I have that seem to ebb and flow. Things I may have said or did in the past that come up. I do not emulate MM or something a coach and or instructor says. That would ruin the fun. You are already unique and you have the genius to help nudge the universe into bring you two together. You have just been taught by society and tv that you are not enough.

Great post. You must approach in a way that builds attraction. I typed up how I do it but it logged me out in the process, so now I'd have to start over and I don't wanna type it again. Lol.

check that box that allows them to automatically log you in when you enter the forum it should prevent that from happening in the future. Also, when I make long posts I use ctrl+a, ctrl+c before I post.

Type it over I would be interested in reading your wall of text as long as it adds some value and isn't just some negative rant.

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As would I.

Well, what I do, is I just demonstrate high value. I'll be talking to a lot of friends, be the center of attention, blah blah blah, and in that social situation, if I see a girl I like, within ten feet of me. I'll knod my head and say "what's goin on" I'll do it in a "social butterfly" kind of way. Where it seems like I'm just being social and I'm not interested. They usually respond in a shy or giggely tone of voice and say hi back to me. Sometimes they stop and talk, if that happens then I talk to them. But if not I'll just continue doing what I was doing. Talking to friends and stuff. Then if I see them again I'll stop and talk to them. This usually gets me pretty positive results. You build attraction during the approach. Show confidence.

This is what successful PU looks like but, imo it is both ways, people thinking the universe brought one another together even if we had to nudge it forward. The problem is that, the universe is smarter system than PU.

If you can make a smooth natural "fate" approach then sure, go for it. But sometimes you have to just force the action, especially when a fate approach is impossible due to the circumstances.

I don't want noobs to read this and use it as another excuse not to approach... "Can't think of a fate approach, so I'd better not."

A bad approach is better than not approaching at all. You will learn a lot from a bad approach.

You also underestimate the power of a woman's ability to backwards-rationalise after the fact. If you approached her in the library and gave her a compliment on her looks, in her mind, she could believe it was fate which brought you together at that moment, just so you could deliver that compliment and bring you together. That's the way she would explain how you met to her parents. Girls often look back with rose - tinted glasses, which is why they always want to stay in touch with ex boyfriends, whereas we generally don't unless it's for the sex. Sometimes I will ask a woman I'm seeing what I said or did when I approached her, they can rarely remember. But they always remember what they were feeling at that moment, that feeling of being 'swept' off her feet.

Women's memories are more emotional and less factual. Which is why the testimony of one man is equal to the testimony of 2 women in Muslim countries.

The most important thing is chemistry. It doesn't matter how smooth or "fate" your approach is if there is no chemistry. Focus on your actions, not your words. This is why 'bad boy' and 'nice guy' game both work in different scenarios.

I'm not ragging on your fate theory. Given the right circumstances, it totally works and I've used it to great effect in the past. But it should just be one of many approaches to keep in your arsenal when the situation is appropriate.