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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:01 pm 
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Let's be real here...If any of these guys had approached her respectfully, would she treat them as a human being with respect back? No. So I have no sympathy for women who get catcalled when women don't give men respect when they get respectfully approached. If someone did a video where an ugly guy dressed like crap, approached women with respect, it would show women not even acknowledging his presence and treating him like shit. So if men get no respect based on their appearance, why should women? Are the women saying , hey let's treat people like human beings and give them respect? No. This is just feminist bs.
Not sure what you're going on about here. She's moderately attractive and dressed decently. Not like crap. If a guy in form fitting(plain) clothes who's sort of nice looking approaches a bunch of random women in a respectful way, he'll be treated politely in the vast majority of cases.
What I'm saying is if these guys had approached her with respect they would have gotten no response. Not a thanks or a sorry I have a bf in most cases. The girl would have looked at and treated these guys like they were scum. So I can't blame them for not being polite when if they were polite they'd get an impolite response.
If we want to say treat people with respect fine. But most girls don't treat the scummy or ugly looking guys with respect in the first place.


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What I'm saying is if these guys had approached her with respect they would have gotten no response. Not a thanks or a sorry I have a bf in most cases. The girl would have looked at and treated these guys like they were scum. So I can't blame them for not being polite when if they were polite they'd get an impolite response.
If we want to say treat people with respect fine. But most girls don't treat the scummy or ugly looking guys with respect in the first place.
For one thing, women learn that by being nice to guys, those guys then assume she wants to have sex with them. So if she ignores them, they should be rude, and if she's nice to them, obviously she should sleep with them. Because after being nice, when she doesn't want to do anything she's being a dick tease, or a time waster.

That's a pretty strong catch 22, when the fault is pretty much on the dudes trying for something they have no chance at. What would you think of a McDonald's fry cook, wandering into Procter and Gamble's parking lot standing around and hitting up everyone who looks like management for a job as a supply chain manager? Is that someone who should be taken seriously? Would you think he'd be treated with respect? Should he be?

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What I'm saying is if these guys had approached her with respect they would have gotten no response. Not a thanks or a sorry I have a bf in most cases. The girl would have looked at and treated these guys like they were scum. So I can't blame them for not being polite when if they were polite they'd get an impolite response.
If we want to say treat people with respect fine. But most girls don't treat the scummy or ugly looking guys with respect in the first place.
For one thing, women learn that by being nice to guys, those guys then assume she wants to have sex with them. So if she ignores them, they should be rude, and if she's nice to them, obviously she should sleep with them. Because after being nice, when she doesn't want to do anything she's being a dick tease, or a time waster.

That's a pretty strong catch 22, when the fault is pretty much on the dudes trying for something they have no chance at. What would you think of a McDonald's fry cook, wandering into Procter and Gamble's parking lot standing around and hitting up everyone who looks like management for a job as a supply chain manager? Is that someone who should be taken seriously? Would you think he'd be treated with respect? Should he be?
As in your example taken seriously and not treating someone with respect are 2 different things. I can tell a bum on the street no but still acknowledge him as a person. And if we say these guys should dress nicely to get simple human acknowledgement.. Girls should dress in nuns outfits to be treated as human beings and not objects. Those same girls who complain about getting hit on rudely, shit on the ugly guy who approaches them respectfully and only complain when the attention they get is from undesirable men. It's like the celebrities who complain they have no privacy. Tough luck... You get the money and benefits and then act like the negatives are so bad.


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I've been part of a discussion on Youtube. I made the comment:

"I don't think it's wrong to talk to women in any context as long as you try to interact with them like a human being, it is possible to do this and hit on them at the same time"

Both the women having the argument with most of the other guys thumbed this comment up. So they have no problem being hit on in the right way.

Let's be real here...If any of these guys had approached her respectfully, would she treat them as a human being with respect back? No. So I have no sympathy for women who get catcalled when women don't give men respect when they get respectfully approached. If someone did a video where an ugly guy dressed like crap, approached women with respect, it would show women not even acknowledging his presence and treating him like shit. So if men get no respect based on their appearance, why should women? Are the women saying , hey let's treat people like human beings and give them respect? No. This is just feminist bs.
Yep, women should arguably be looking to clean up their act too.

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my biggest thing is multiple women dress in ways to attract guys, but get mad when "the wrong type" or a guy with the "wrong approach" talks to them...like i aid earlier that's like covering yourself with honey to attract bees but then get mad when flies and roaches come

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As in your example taken seriously and not treating someone with respect are 2 different things. I can tell a bum on the street no but still acknowledge him as a person. And if we say these guys should dress nicely to get simple human acknowledgement.
They would be if they weren't hitting on her. I don't often see rude behavior from attractive women when ugly guys are legit "just talking to them", not trying to pick them up. That would mean a situation where you'd talk to a man or an elderly woman.

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As in your example taken seriously and not treating someone with respect are 2 different things. I can tell a bum on the street no but still acknowledge him as a person. And if we say these guys should dress nicely to get simple human acknowledgement.
They would be if they weren't hitting on her. I don't often see rude behavior from attractive women when ugly guys are legit "just talking to them", not trying to pick them up. That would mean a situation where you'd talk to a man or an elderly woman.
i see it often...VERY OFTEN....but i am black from the south lol we kinda have alot of ignorance and rudeness down here

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This video is fun too.

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lmfao that was hillarious....

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Looks like gay dudes and fat chicks are suffering from the same problem.
That last chick was hilarious(or more her boyfriend's response).

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I agree with Versalis here that any decent seducer, especially during day game, should be well aware of those approach invitation cues from women so they don't waste their time getting burned a lot rejection after rejection from women who don't want to be approached.

Personally, I don't give any woman my attention until she has earned it. She has to earn it by hovering around me within 4 to 6 feet, passing by back and forth at my line of sight, talking or laughing louder when I'm around, opening me with some lame girlie opener like "Happy Birthday," "Guapo (handsome)," "Snob," or "Derek Ramsay! Seriously, you look like Derek." and giving me at least three strong IOIs (eye contact and then looking down at the floor, preening gestures, and stealing glances at my cock area [damn, put shiny things near your fucking cock and your attractiveness shoots up through the roof]). It's easier this way and sets the frame that you're the prize.

When I'm in the mood though, I just cold approach anyone and railroad ahead, IOI or no IOI. It's harder this way but you become sharper with your sexual escalation skills.

Btw, any decent seducer should fix their hygiene, grooming, masculine fashion sense, and health with good regular exercise and seduction won't be an uphill battle.

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I'm gonna guess that's "Derick Ramsey". I don't know who that is, but since he says he looks like him...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:39 pm 
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I'm gonna guess that's "Derick Ramsey". I don't know who that is, but since he says he looks like him...
Several girls say I look like him. But I think I don't look like him at all or ripped as he is. I always try to project a very masculine vibe though although a few girls label me as gay when I am not escalating fast or good enough.

Point is, if most of us can get physically fit or well groomed like Derek (that dude in the pic) combined with decent game, it will be easier for us to seduce many girls.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:06 pm 
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Does this woman even look like she wants to be approached? She has on a very hard face, and makes no eye contact or gives ANY indication she wants to be approached.
So freakin' what? A lot of women aren't necessarily looking for love out in the street, grocery store, etc. Does that mean you should never cold approach?

I say this not as a person that does this sort of stuff, but more as an AFC that rarely has the nerve to approach a woman unless she gives me the green light. I see one of my scrub friends cold approach all sorts of women and he gets more action.

What I believe it boils down to is it's considered flirting when the guy is attractive, it's considered creepy when he's not.

Overall though, I believe her biggest problem is where she is... NYC. One of the biggest cities in the world. If it were a smaller city, it would happen a lot less. And while NYC is a huge place, really attractive women are not walking down the sidewalks in masses, so of course she's going to get attention.

Another thing I'm reminded of is Seinfeld's observation about guys honking at women in cars. They have no clue what to say to a woman and that's their last resort. While we judge the scrubs, that's all they got. Bet she'd stop in her tracks if it was Brad Pitt or Channing Tatum cat-calling her. She'd be all like: :oops:

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exactly

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