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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:22 pm 
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Title should read: Confidence isn't enough to attract High Quality women.

I agree with most of what has been said by the OP. I wouldn't solely rely on confidence, but I would replace confidence with the word courage. Courage is a far better than confidence in my opinion.

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Confidence is enough to buy you first few seconds(not every time tough) i saw that on my own, but it is your performance later that is crucial to close(here is where i still stick, but i am learning), i believe only AFC thinks that a good opener and confident approach will buy him instant ticket to the pussy land, it is a ticket to open your game, later what happens is upon you.


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Brother. The amount of ridiculous overthinking that goes on in these forums.

Confidence is attractive, but not as attractive as sex. That is why hot girls fuck guys who may not be as confident as you; they have sex appeal.

Develop more sex appeal.

It has ALWAYS been this way. Things have not changed.


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How many times have you heard the same bullshit that all you need in this world or the next is self confidence and all of your dating and sex life problems will be solved?. Well let me tell you something. That is a bunch of BS! Confidence is not enough any more to master yourself, your social environment and your dating and sex life.


The world has changed. There are more douche bags out there, rougher and tougher men, the media has shifted the way a man should be today(Example-The UFC), meaning Alpha, tough, masculine, not just merely confident in speech but weak in persona and attitude. What does this mean? You have to start working out, pack on some muscle, strengthen your inner paradigm, be dominant amongst other men and leader like in social and inter sexual situations.


In other words, you need to exhibit signs of physical and mental "Warrior-like" strength. Women expect this today based on the fact that so many men today are working out, getting leaner, meaner, tougher, stronger and more dominant and they want the King Supreme of this bunch as they always have. Make sense?


Another reason for this is because there is more violence, disease as well as competition for scarce resources in the world today. As a result, women are finding themselves increasingly attracted to men with a superior immunoresponse to disease, which occurs as a result of increased musculature. They are also finding themselves more attracted to men who are strong willed and minded, persistent, dominant, driven, brave and courageous to beat out the fierce competition for scarce resources. Those men that foster these traits and only those that do are labelled as "sex worthy" by the opposite sex. Once again confidence on its own is so yesterdays news!


The Global economic climate is volatile and reaching a state of massive depression. What does this mean? Women now want you to be business, money, wealth minded and savvy so you know how to make money in case things knock you off your rocker financially. In addition Hollywood's display of rich, well spoken, versed and handsome millionaires with that Pierce Brosnan or Daniel Craig type look aren't helping your cause either. They have cornered you into the position of having to be money savvy, worldly and debonair today.


Yet most men still seem to think that simply exhibiting confidence all the while being penniless, broke, uneducated, non-worldly, non-dominant is enough to attract a high quality woman today. Forget about it!


The 9-5 working man is become decreasingly attractive to women. I am not saying that you have to become self -employed but you must become worldly, educated, well spoken and be a subject matter expert in the area of "finances", given your own specific financial situation. Women expect this out of you today.


Women are being influenced by mass media(Reality TV shows more so than anything else and movies) and being conditioned that what is attractive today is a man who is "dominant, leader like, take charge, worldly, debonair, entrepreneurial, professional, upscale, high status".


Some examples include: Magic Mike, 300, Troy, Gladiator, Warrior, Shooter, Entourage, Sex and the City, etc. Do you see how they have raised the bar, big time on what is expected out of a man today to be given a "sex worthy, high status Alpha king" label by women? Good! Let's raise the fuckin' bar on ourselves then.


What's that? Did you say that you don't believe that women want a debonair and dominant man today? Well the book- "50 shades of Grey" is the new Bible for legions of women across the world. Is it based on mere coincidence or is it based on the fact that women identify within themselves a "new" need for a man who is more than just confident, but one who is "dominant and debonair" and a true top feeder? Case closed!


So what do you do now? First, change your thinking and align it with the needs of women today. That's right! You will have to come to terms with the stone cold fact which is this-Women of exceptional beauty and quality today want and expect a Warrior, a dominant alpha King Cobra, coupled with a money and business savvy, honourable, respectful, worldly, educated gentleman all rolled up into one, like a nice fat Monte Cristo Cigar.


Consequently, you will need to become more educated, worldly, muscular, resilient, dominant over other men, a leader in social situations, money savvy, well versed, well spoken and socially intelligent, if you want to and expect to attract a high quality mate today. Times have changed and you must also change with them.


As Denzel Washington said appropriately, to Ethan Hawke in the fabulous movie "Training Day"...


"You are either a sheep or a wolf"


Pick one!!!!!!

More violence and disease in the world today?
Not really. The economy sucks but things have been far worse throughout history.
If anything I'd say girls are liking less alpha guys these days. Celebrities like Jim from the office are sex symbols. Hipsters are even in style.

Not to say you should be a pussy, but nothings has changed and if it has, it's made it easier for non alpha guys to get girls.


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hey man i really liked your post and even though the reality of the situation today means i have to work harder to get high quality women, i am fucking game. Any guy on here who says you don't need exactly what your saying is necessary is just fucking kidding themselves. There is no excuse for not putting time in at the gym, your education, work, etc...

If you want to fuck the best, you have to be the best. Besides the women aspect... who wouldn't want the power of having all the developed qualities your talking about. Life in general would simply be better.

Also to whoever said brains are better than muscle, why on earth do you think its necessary to choose? Just go out and take both. Get educated and get shredded. Who the hell is going to stop you then?

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How many times have you heard the same bullshit that all you need in this world or the next is self confidence and all of your dating and sex life problems will be solved?. Well let me tell you something. That is a bunch of BS! Confidence is not enough any more to master yourself, your social environment and your dating and sex life.


The world has changed. There are more douche bags out there, rougher and tougher men, the media has shifted the way a man should be today(Example-The UFC), meaning Alpha, tough, masculine, not just merely confident in speech but weak in persona and attitude. What does this mean? You have to start working out, pack on some muscle, strengthen your inner paradigm, be dominant amongst other men and leader like in social and inter sexual situations.


In other words, you need to exhibit signs of physical and mental "Warrior-like" strength. Women expect this today based on the fact that so many men today are working out, getting leaner, meaner, tougher, stronger and more dominant and they want the King Supreme of this bunch as they always have. Make sense?


Another reason for this is because there is more violence, disease as well as competition for scarce resources in the world today. As a result, women are finding themselves increasingly attracted to men with a superior immunoresponse to disease, which occurs as a result of increased musculature. They are also finding themselves more attracted to men who are strong willed and minded, persistent, dominant, driven, brave and courageous to beat out the fierce competition for scarce resources. Those men that foster these traits and only those that do are labelled as "sex worthy" by the opposite sex. Once again confidence on its own is so yesterdays news!


The Global economic climate is volatile and reaching a state of massive depression. What does this mean? Women now want you to be business, money, wealth minded and savvy so you know how to make money in case things knock you off your rocker financially. In addition Hollywood's display of rich, well spoken, versed and handsome millionaires with that Pierce Brosnan or Daniel Craig type look aren't helping your cause either. They have cornered you into the position of having to be money savvy, worldly and debonair today.


Yet most men still seem to think that simply exhibiting confidence all the while being penniless, broke, uneducated, non-worldly, non-dominant is enough to attract a high quality woman today. Forget about it!


The 9-5 working man is become decreasingly attractive to women. I am not saying that you have to become self -employed but you must become worldly, educated, well spoken and be a subject matter expert in the area of "finances", given your own specific financial situation. Women expect this out of you today.


Women are being influenced by mass media(Reality TV shows more so than anything else and movies) and being conditioned that what is attractive today is a man who is "dominant, leader like, take charge, worldly, debonair, entrepreneurial, professional, upscale, high status".


Some examples include: Magic Mike, 300, Troy, Gladiator, Warrior, Shooter, Entourage, Sex and the City, etc. Do you see how they have raised the bar, big time on what is expected out of a man today to be given a "sex worthy, high status Alpha king" label by women? Good! Let's raise the fuckin' bar on ourselves then.


What's that? Did you say that you don't believe that women want a debonair and dominant man today? Well the book- "50 shades of Grey" is the new Bible for legions of women across the world. Is it based on mere coincidence or is it based on the fact that women identify within themselves a "new" need for a man who is more than just confident, but one who is "dominant and debonair" and a true top feeder? Case closed!


So what do you do now? First, change your thinking and align it with the needs of women today. That's right! You will have to come to terms with the stone cold fact which is this-Women of exceptional beauty and quality today want and expect a Warrior, a dominant alpha King Cobra, coupled with a money and business savvy, honourable, respectful, worldly, educated gentleman all rolled up into one, like a nice fat Monte Cristo Cigar.


Consequently, you will need to become more educated, worldly, muscular, resilient, dominant over other men, a leader in social situations, money savvy, well versed, well spoken and socially intelligent, if you want to and expect to attract a high quality mate today. Times have changed and you must also change with them.


As Denzel Washington said appropriately, to Ethan Hawke in the fabulous movie "Training Day"...


"You are either a sheep or a wolf"


Pick one!!!!!!
I agree with this. The only problem is that since I've upped my game and embodied this, I find all my available female options "boring" as they just aren't at that level. In a way I've out gamed myself into no-mans land.

I'm starting to think that in essence these pressures have made me take myself too seriously I'm now missing the mark. Either that or through that process I grew up some, hard to say.

I will say however that today's "modern women" has really lowered the bar quality wise. Girls are so selfish and superficial these days that frankly I find most of the common "HB8-10's" completely obnoxious anymore. It's sad really.

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Who's to say Self-Confidence isn't all of those things anyways? In fact my perception of Confidence is: Spirituality, Emotional, Mental, Physical, and surrounding yourself with healthy Relationships.

In my Core Self-Confidence program, there is a diet, exercise, meditation, giving your life purpose(one of the biggest things of all), designing a plan to getting your life purpose, etc....

Confidence isn't just a mind set, it's a habitual behavior.... yeah that mindset provides that behavior based on your beliefs.... most guys that think they are confident are simply arrogant. Reviewing your beliefs and modifying or eliminating negative beliefs will make an astounding difference in your life, it will make moving your life forward possible simply because it will change your patterns of behavior.

Your idea that confidence is approaching women and introducing yourself is that it simply is that moment... Confidence is based off of everything outside of pick up as well not just from doing 1000 approaches on women... self-confidence happens through action far before you meet the woman. Confidence approaching women will not give you a "Core Self-Confidence" that radiates outward and makes you attractive....

And the reality is Self-Esteem is what gives you presence, it contains self-confidence, and it means you have health beliefs that will allow you to fulfill your infinite potential... Self-esteem with the proper belief structure results in an awesome lifestyle and every man should strive to having it.... You can never have to "high of self-esteem" but you can be arrogant... or over confident...

The key to being attractive is simple... MAKE HER FEEL GOOD! That is what makes you attractive making her feel good... even your looks making her feel good is what makes you attractive... Sexually attractive is about making you appear attractive for her from a mating stand point... being sexy... The key to finding a girl for long term is being a suitable long term mate.... if you want to find a girl to fuck simply learn to turn 'em on, build sexual tension, and escalate the interaction at a proper responsive rate. I.E. A throbbing hard cock... most women fantasize about women outside they're relationship... women are biological creatures too who just want to fuck in fact women are far more sexual then men... men don't have all these fancy vibrating pussies... women literally have 1000s of choices for dildos.... hand cuffs are womens concept, spanking, etc....

If you want a woman of high value you must meet her value... that is true of any relationship... In high school the best looking/most popular were expected to date. You see a couple you expect them to be similar in physical attraction or the man to be wealthy if there is a large discrepancy in aesthetic value. After high school around 24+ for women they begin to look to settle down more so they look for men who have more of a long term feel... this means the trio that Heywood brought up so spot on...

Your experiences are simply that... you've assigned a meaning to them such as women want a quality man, but plenty of guys I know don't have that shit and are fucking tons of women... in fact the best naturals I've met have been broke asses... in fact one of the best young naturals I know slept with 3 girls on his 18th birthday... and 2 of them were pretty awesome chicks... HE IS A BAGGER AT A GROCERY STORE.

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Who's to say Self-Confidence isn't all of those things anyways? In fact my perception of Confidence is: Spirituality, Emotional, Mental, Physical, and surrounding yourself with healthy Relationships.

In my Core Self-Confidence program, there is a diet, exercise, meditation, giving your life purpose(one of the biggest things of all), designing a plan to getting your life purpose, etc....

Confidence isn't just a mind set, it's a habitual behavior.... yeah that mindset provides that behavior based on your beliefs.... most guys that think they are confident are simply arrogant. Reviewing your beliefs and modifying or eliminating negative beliefs will make an astounding difference in your life, it will make moving your life forward possible simply because it will change your patterns of behavior.

Your idea that confidence is approaching women and introducing yourself is that it simply is that moment... Confidence is based off of everything outside of pick up as well not just from doing 1000 approaches on women... self-confidence happens through action far before you meet the woman. Confidence approaching women will not give you a "Core Self-Confidence" that radiates outward and makes you attractive....

And the reality is Self-Esteem is what gives you presence, it contains self-confidence, and it means you have health beliefs that will allow you to fulfill your infinite potential... Self-esteem with the proper belief structure results in an awesome lifestyle and every man should strive to having it.... You can never have to "high of self-esteem" but you can be arrogant... or over confident...

The key to being attractive is simple... MAKE HER FEEL GOOD! That is what makes you attractive making her feel good... even your looks making her feel good is what makes you attractive... Sexually attractive is about making you appear attractive for her from a mating stand point... being sexy... The key to finding a girl for long term is being a suitable long term mate.... if you want to find a girl to fuck simply learn to turn 'em on, build sexual tension, and escalate the interaction at a proper responsive rate. I.E. A throbbing hard cock... most women fantasize about women outside they're relationship... women are biological creatures too who just want to fuck in fact women are far more sexual then men... men don't have all these fancy vibrating pussies... women literally have 1000s of choices for dildos.... hand cuffs are womens concept, spanking, etc....

If you want a woman of high value you must meet her value... that is true of any relationship... In high school the best looking/most popular were expected to date. You see a couple you expect them to be similar in physical attraction or the man to be wealthy if there is a large discrepancy in aesthetic value. After high school around 24+ for women they begin to look to settle down more so they look for men who have more of a long term feel... this means the trio that Heywood brought up so spot on...

Your experiences are simply that... you've assigned a meaning to them such as women want a quality man, but plenty of guys I know don't have that shit and are fucking tons of women... in fact the best naturals I've met have been broke asses... in fact one of the best young naturals I know slept with 3 girls on his 18th birthday... and 2 of them were pretty awesome chicks... HE IS A BAGGER AT A GROCERY STORE.

Peace and Love,

Vic
I think the OP's post has a very narrow sighted perspective and very limited frame of reference.

Vic's holistic perspective is spot on. I can also relate and identify with the dude who reached the OP's ideal and found that most women felt insecure around him.

Just to support Vic's assertion that women are very sexual creatures who are attracted to rock hard throbbing cocks, here's a link to some summa and magna cum laudes who are educated in some of the best universities around the world and yet still enjoy hardcore banging: http://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-smart ... -time/greg

Women are women-- whether they studied in Harvard or have not completed high school. They have pussies that get wet if you know how to push the right buttons.

Personally, if I were to seduce a Harvard educated babe, I'll just spread some peanut butter on my cock and get near her in a golf driving range or a tennis court rather than fight Tito Ortiz or GSP in a UFC octagon which highly educated hot babes seldom watch anyway.

Majority of girls love peanut butter so my odds are higher if I spread some on my cock than fighting Rampage Jackson in the octagon or kicking it up with Buakaw.

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No woman is higher quality or lower quality. One can have more attributes to her than other but basically quality doesn't mean shit. its a useless word as far as women are concerned. In my experience, "higher Quality" intelligent women seem to be more shallow than so called bar ho. You will find that out when you spend a long time and actually peel the layers of "high quality" women. Julien from RSD says this best, Talk to every woman like she is a 10. Confidence? it does matters. What matters more? not taking yourself too seriously and actually having fun everytime you go out.


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I'm so sick of seeing this "ITS A BRAVE NEW WORLD EVERYONE. THE RULES OF THE GAME ARE CHANGING" applied to ever aspect of like these days. HORSESHIT. Technology changes. Weather changes. In human nature, nothing changes. Not in a thousand years. You have the same genes and biological triggers, thought processes, and drives as your ancestors 2000 years ago. Culture is a superficial construct that tries to leash the real psychological nature of a human, and it never works in private. Only in the open. Its all a farcical show. Human nature DOES NOT CHANGE on historical time scales. What worked to get a woman wet 1000 years ago, still works now, and it will work 1000 years in the future, regardless of what culture dictates.
You think confidence isn't enough to get women anymore?
Funny. I basically haven't read a single PUA book past the first ~3 pages. I don't really have "game". I just have a confident "I don't give a fuck" attitude, and it gets me a good amount of sex.
You think those douchebags that wear tap-out shirts and watch UFC are confident? The dudes that shoot up test just to look swoll at the gym? Maybe all those slick smooth dudes in the club acting like they own the world?
You are completely, 100% wrong.
They're some of the most insecure tools I have ever met. Its a VENEER. NOT confidence. Because if you dig down a little, and look at the subtleties, you'll see that this is just a whole load of overcompensation and deep seated insecurity.
Do you know why rich successful men do so well with women? Its not just because of the money and success. Its a SOLID inner game that those things things bring to them, that allows them to have REAL confidence and an attitude of not giving a shit what someone thinks, or fear of rejection. They know what they're worth and capable of, and it shows in their attitude. Driving a monster truck while blasting rap is a scream of insecurity, and only fools like them are tricked in to thinking otherwise.
It doesn't matter what culture says, or how many men "discover the secret of being alpha". Its biology. You are either born to have an alphamale personality, or you are born to be a follower. It's about personality, brain wiring, genetics. You can't read a self help book and turn in to an alpha. Your identity and who you are destined to become as a person are burned in to you by your genes and your upbringing and experiences from childhood, and by the time you're an adult, you can never change the core of what you are, only the shell that the rest of the world sees.


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I'm so sick of seeing this "ITS A BRAVE NEW WORLD EVERYONE. THE RULES OF THE GAME ARE CHANGING" applied to ever aspect of like these days. HORSESHIT. Technology changes. Weather changes. In human nature, nothing changes. Not in a thousand years. You have the same genes and biological triggers, thought processes, and drives as your ancestors 2000 years ago. Culture is a superficial construct that tries to leash the real psychological nature of a human, and it never works in private. Only in the open. Its all a farcical show. Human nature DOES NOT CHANGE on historical time scales. What worked to get a woman wet 1000 years ago, still works now, and it will work 1000 years in the future, regardless of what culture dictates.
You think confidence isn't enough to get women anymore?
Funny. I basically haven't read a single PUA book past the first ~3 pages. I don't really have "game". I just have a confident "I don't give a fuck" attitude, and it gets me a good amount of sex.
You think those douchebags that wear tap-out shirts and watch UFC are confident? The dudes that shoot up test just to look swoll at the gym? Maybe all those slick smooth dudes in the club acting like they own the world?
You are completely, 100% wrong.
They're some of the most insecure tools I have ever met. Its a VENEER. NOT confidence. Because if you dig down a little, and look at the subtleties, you'll see that this is just a whole load of overcompensation and deep seated insecurity.
Do you know why rich successful men do so well with women? Its not just because of the money and success. Its a SOLID inner game that those things things bring to them, that allows them to have REAL confidence and an attitude of not giving a shit what someone thinks, or fear of rejection. They know what they're worth and capable of, and it shows in their attitude. Driving a monster truck while blasting rap is a scream of insecurity, and only fools like them are tricked in to thinking otherwise.
It doesn't matter what culture says, or how many men "discover the secret of being alpha". Its biology. You are either born to have an alphamale personality, or you are born to be a follower. It's about personality, brain wiring, genetics. You can't read a self help book and turn in to an alpha. Your identity and who you are destined to become as a person are burned in to you by your genes and your upbringing and experiences from childhood, and by the time you're an adult, you can never change the core of what you are, only the shell that the rest of the world sees.
I think you are wrong on many points. There are meatheads who fake everything and are tools, but fuck a lot of women because they turn them on.

I'm a good-looking dancer and I get laid a lot. I have a lot of problems and I'm not very confident with women on the street, etc. But I've gotten laid a lot because of what I do.

You cannot read a self-help book and become an alpha. But you can still change yourself. The whole "alpha" thing is a myth anyway.


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I'm so sick of seeing this "ITS A BRAVE NEW WORLD EVERYONE. THE RULES OF THE GAME ARE CHANGING" applied to ever aspect of like these days. HORSESHIT. Technology changes. Weather changes. In human nature, nothing changes. Not in a thousand years. You have the same genes and biological triggers, thought processes, and drives as your ancestors 2000 years ago. Culture is a superficial construct that tries to leash the real psychological nature of a human, and it never works in private. Only in the open. Its all a farcical show. Human nature DOES NOT CHANGE on historical time scales. What worked to get a woman wet 1000 years ago, still works now, and it will work 1000 years in the future, regardless of what culture dictates.
You think confidence isn't enough to get women anymore?
Funny. I basically haven't read a single PUA book past the first ~3 pages. I don't really have "game". I just have a confident "I don't give a fuck" attitude, and it gets me a good amount of sex.
You think those douchebags that wear tap-out shirts and watch UFC are confident? The dudes that shoot up test just to look swoll at the gym? Maybe all those slick smooth dudes in the club acting like they own the world?
You are completely, 100% wrong.
They're some of the most insecure tools I have ever met. Its a VENEER. NOT confidence. Because if you dig down a little, and look at the subtleties, you'll see that this is just a whole load of overcompensation and deep seated insecurity.
Do you know why rich successful men do so well with women? Its not just because of the money and success. Its a SOLID inner game that those things things bring to them, that allows them to have REAL confidence and an attitude of not giving a shit what someone thinks, or fear of rejection. They know what they're worth and capable of, and it shows in their attitude. Driving a monster truck while blasting rap is a scream of insecurity, and only fools like them are tricked in to thinking otherwise.
It doesn't matter what culture says, or how many men "discover the secret of being alpha". Its biology. You are either born to have an alphamale personality, or you are born to be a follower. It's about personality, brain wiring, genetics. You can't read a self help book and turn in to an alpha. Your identity and who you are destined to become as a person are burned in to you by your genes and your upbringing and experiences from childhood, and by the time you're an adult, you can never change the core of what you are, only the shell that the rest of the world sees.
I think you are wrong on many points. There are meatheads who fake everything and are tools, but fuck a lot of women because they turn them on.

I'm a good-looking dancer and I get laid a lot. I have a lot of problems and I'm not very confident with women on the street, etc. But I've gotten laid a lot because of what I do.

You cannot read a self-help book and become an alpha. But you can still change yourself. The whole "alpha" thing is a myth anyway.
Obviously you don't know these meatheads very well. I hang out with that crowd and let me tell you. Those guys are 90% bullshit. You just believe their act. Just because they said they hooked up with 30 girls, doesn't mean they hooked up with 30 girls. There is so much BS and posturing among the "popular" guys, you have NO idea. If you still don't believe me, go out and become friends with a few. They're useful. You can meet the girls they're chasing and actually fuck them, while listening to the girls tell you about what tools the guys are.

You just claimed to be a good looking dancer and said you get laid a lot, and then said you have low confidence. Sounds like a contradiction to me. It's either one or the other.


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