Amante, don't compare an educated pick up artist to a Average Frustrated Chump. Indirect or Direct, a PUA knows how to be Alpha at all times regardless of how beautiful a woman is. The issue is the achieved results, where indirect is the calling card of a vanilla PUA, and a Direct approach is favored by AMOGS and naturals because it gets results(Usually meaning sex) quicker.

I personally have done many direct approaches and have studied AMOGS and Naturals extensively *In field and those cheesy 'im good at this so i'll help other guys get a Girlfriend' Natural-AFC videos* And I just find it odd that here on a PUA forum, we're telling ourselves to do the exact same things Recovering AFCs are learning to do from friends, Simple Pickup, and older family members that say they know everything about a woman. granted:

"I saw you and had to come talk to you, I think you're (Insert compliment here)"(PUA)

is better than

"I really like your (Insert compliment here)"(rAFC)

But neither of which tells the girl right off the bat that "I am the prize, you have to chase me" and are actually detrimental to this idea. Of course what you say after that is totally up to you, but the point i'm trying to get across is that Indirect is not in-fact subpar to direct but actually more useful to a PUA as a tool to standout from the waves upon waves of guys coming up to her and complimenting her on her style, beauty, ass to tit ratio, what have you.

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First of all, thanks for taking the time to explain. Apparently i was barking at the wrong three (hope i'm using the correct meaning).

I still don't get quite right the different stages of amog, pua, afc, rafc, natural. The way i saw it, there were the ones who knew how to get laid and the ones who didn't, i grant you that there are different phases of 'illumination', or competence degrees, what have you, as is normal for everything.
And by the way, the pick up artistry, as it name says should IMHO impersonate more the subjective, relativistic sense of something that is indeed an art, as everything that is related to 'love' affairs should be. Not a science based in strict rules that follows some kind of methodology, i'm not bashing, i'm just pointing the potential limits of such a mind-set.
Anyways, i realize now that i may have a different understanding of what you guys in here call 'direct' and 'indirect'.
Have been watching simple pickup videos, and quite honestly found them retarded, i mean, props for approaching strangers in the street, but if the intent is to get anything from that other than a clumsy quick chat and a phone number, well, it will simply not happen. It's a pure number's game, there is a little bit of intent from the guy's part, but close to no investment from the girls part. They feel flattered as any women would, with the free, uncalled attention given to them, but the big majority of them will not follow the intended interaction forward.
With the the first PUA line you write in the post, found some Sacha guy videos, they are entertaining nonetheless, the dude appears somewhat like an esoteric, weird figure, the unicorn thing and the Borat voice are a must. Not as bad as simple pickup, actually some of his interactions have a chance for a future, but the fact remains, squeezing a random girl for a phone number is not a success in itself, many of them will still flake on him. I have use that kind of approach many times, but not with walking pass, busy girls, normally girls hanging around with whom i could spend some time, go for a coffee, a walk, to a shop, basically, a scenario were i could actually bond with them, doing this, the likelihood of being with them again would be very real, and so, a phone number a that stage will be expected as a mean to resume were we left off.

IMO, treating every girl the same challenges what i understand for 'seduction', everyone is different and should be treated accordingly. Our interaction with someone must be shaped by whatever makes them 'work'. That, i have learn, is the advantage of a seducer. Think the way a salesperson thinks, they cannot treat every client the same, not if they expect to appease their longings by offering what they crave, not what they need, or worst, what we think they need.

Now, coming to a women and saying she is beautiful, as a nice behind, etcetera. If they are friendly, will give you some kind of polite reply, that's it. She will brush it of, or get offended if she is short in self-love, framing you as some manipulative, opportunistic guy. No room to much here, unless you try to salvage the interaction by rephrasing your initial hit.

The way i learn, you should only compliment someone on something they feel insecure about. For example, considering a women we are trying to win the favor from, if she as nice eyes, and she knows it, pointing it will be mundane, could even carry the momentum to defeat your purpose. But if she as, for example, freckles, or a weird accent, or something external, like a passion for amature photography, and she as mixed thoughts about it, feels self-conscious. If you point it out, and not only are nice, but show dept into it. She will feel reassure by it, and, an emotional connection of some sorts will be born, she will therefore crave your attention in that subject, and even let some of her persona walls fall apart, so you can glimpse other traces of her life 'why's, so you can be empathic about and therefore strengthening your relationship.

Just one question, i'm having trouble grasping this, what stages of the interaction defines this 'direct vs indirect' thing?

no offense but you said if your using PUA techniques to obtain sexual satisfaction from a women you are doing it for the wrong reason. I had to stop reading all your comments after that. You seemed to be confused, and i am saying that with that the utmost respect to you.

"Omg, a woman isn't just a walking bunch of holes to put my dick in? They actually like, think???"

^That was what i'm getting at, the perspective of a guy that just wants sex out of a woman. With the immense amount of knowledge on the site yeah, you're going to get laid, anybody could. But a PUA must be more than the average horndog, willing to go the distance.

Even as I write this, I must be honest with you, reader. I was recently slapped (mentally). Yesterday I #-closed what I first perceived a 7 but the world saw as around an 8.7 (I've become so numb to beauty).

Of course I went indirect, day game warranting conversation to be struck up, I went through everything and we went on an insta-date and even though I got the number, I felt like we could have spent our time..."building comfort"...in more interesting ways such as making out and maybe even a SDL(Same day lay) had I better cold reading skills.

Embarrassingly, it took a reading from "The cube" and reflection later on to realize that this girl was into bad boys, and while Indirect worked and I # closed and set up a day 2, A Direct approach to the interaction would have had much faster, heavier effect on the conversation....

I realize it's stubborn to think that one method is better than the other, a PUA should have various tools and techniques for every situation; Equipped with the knowledge of how, when, and why to use them.

EDIT:
The way you approach sets the tone for the entire interaction.

Indirect says "I wanted to talk to you because you were there and I felt like it, but you turned out to be interesting so lets continue talking and see if you are worth my time"

Direct says "I want to fuck you, but only if you're actually interesting and worth my time"

Obviously, one leads faster to sex, but Direct also is heavily reliant with the girl as you said, everyone must be treated differently. If her bitch shields are too strong, it'll be a tough battle because you face them head on with your Alpha demeanor, whereas with in-direct you could completely avoid or even disarm these shields with your words.

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