Furthermore, you seem to have a personal disdain with wanting power, having pride, and wanting to be liked. You need to accept that this is merely your personal opinion. Otherwise, you just sound like an arrogant know it all!

Hi IwantEasylove,

LOL- You think I feel I'm better than you? I don't not one bit, I don't think I'm better than anyone. Not the hobo down the street, not you, not anyone I work with, NOBODY. Of course I also feel no one is better than me. I know what I know, but I know what I don't.... Just like you know how to walk, to type, to walk, I know this. I'm certain of this.

Arrogance- an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions

Confidence - the quality or state of being certain (one of the many definitions)

I am quite certain based on my lengthy list of experiences.

Arrogance can be related to how you interact no doubt, but you've never interacted with me. This is a fucking forum... Go to my work, go to my friends, don't judge me based off of my posts on some fucking forum. Talk with the few guys I've been coaching.... Trust me bro you don't have a clue who I am. If I didn't want to help you I wouldn't have answered your questions on several damn occasions.

I don't think I know everything, I'm constantly studying. You asked a basic question, I gave you the answer and you've refused it repeatedly. I have always said "I know just enough to know I don't know enough." So yes I know Socrates....

Ever hear the quote: "A wise man learns from his own mistakes and a wiser man learns from the mistakes of others." I've given you the opportunity to learn from my experiences, my mistakes, take them and be wiser or don't that is no doubt up to you.

You do have low self esteem which means you also have a large ego (they tend to come hand and hand), I'm telling you that because you show it with your mindset. Go take a self-esteem test and answer it honestly (not how you think you should answer but absolutely honestly). You gain your value from others, I assume my value, my attraction, my presence fills a room(as quoted from a friend), does yours?

You say I've not answered your question there is difference between not answering a question and you refusing the answer.

You say it is a personal opinion but my personal opinion has nothing to do with it. I've gained this insight based off reading literally over 100 books, tons of experiences, and observations, nearly 6 years on this forum. You think that I came to this conclusion easily? Fuck no, I went the long route... sheez I was one of those guys had so much skills in one area(body language), I learned to capitalize on initial attraction with ease, I didn't need to develop in other areas which severely hurt me over all (my self-confidence and self-esteem were lacking).

A student listens, a teacher talks, then a student asks and LISTENS (you fall short here). You are asking and then not listening. A poor student will never learn just as you will never learn (at least pick up). I find it funny you keep commenting on my patience when you don't even know me. You think based off of this thread I'm not patient? Talk to some people I've messaged, talk to some of the folks I've coached, read through my 97k hit body language thread. You say I'm not patient... LOL You don't even know me and you are judging me then bitching about me making observations based off what you've shown.

You should probably talk to a student who I've worked with before you talk about my abilities to teach... You simply look ignorant. I teach just fine (of course there is always room for improvement), I have taught folks body language, confidence, happiness, management. My job is a manager, if I don't develop people, including managers who work for me my job is harder. I have no choice but to be a mentor, a teacher... So perhaps you should learn to listen to someone rather than bitch about the teacher.

It's not about what you want to hear, it's about listening to the actual lesson, the teacher.... Don't ask and refuse the answer. YOU DON'T WANT THE ANSWER. The answer is in this thread and here you are saying if I don't have the answer go away lol..... REALLY? SERIOUSLY?

You've already been banned once I want Easy Love, I'm now near positive it is you.

As you wish I will no longer answer your questions.... There is no need to answer them anyways you'll only refuse the answer.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Arrogant is being overbearing? Well, you are overbearing, your posts are overbearing. You feel entitled to tell me what to think. All you're doing is preaching, but you're not persuading.You cannot accept that you are not persuasive. You're not persuasive. The responsibility is on you to be persuasive if you are going to teach someone. You ridicule and talk down, but if you want me to believe you. Persuade me. Otherwise go away.

Also, refer to me by my name. I don't know who this other person is, but I know you need to interact with me with more respect. YOu're whole attitude is somethign is wrong with me, I have a problem, I have issues, I want to help you....dude you sound crazy!

My value comes from the beliefs my family instilled in me at an early age. One of them is to be all that you can be and that's where this post comes from...not low self-esteem. The more you talk the more offended I get. Stop telling me how to live.

Something is wrong with everyone dude. There is something wrong with me, you, Obama, my sister, your father, my father... We all have room for improvement. If you aren't improving something is going wrong in your life.

I do get your point I do apologize for being a douche bag. That was uncalled for my behavior was horrible I am sorry. I do mean this I was a douche bag and an asshole and you are absolutely spot on with you saying I'm not being persuasive and overbearing. There is no excuse for such wretched behavior. I will try and realize my tone can't be recognized I've struggled with this on the forum several times now.

My sincere apologies.

Oh k so in every interaction there is a balance one person cares more and one person cares less. You show you care more when you approach.

This seems to be your worry.

However when you come over with high self-esteem and great self-confidence. You have an independence of everyone else. You come in assigning your own high value. There is a general rule I've come to realize, people tend to have the same opinion of you as you do of yourself. So if you hold high opinion of yourself (high self-esteem) she'll tend to (not always of course) agree that you are high value.

Now when you walk up to a girl and you show "high value" with your mindset, like she can't effect you, nothing about this interaction will make you feel less than high value. She'll sense this, this high status behavior, this high value behavior and automatically assign you this value (not every time but in most cases).

You showing your vulnerability, shows that she can't effect you. It shows high value. It's bass ackwards but it shows strength, and honestly shows you to be more powerful. When you read about charisma it talks about showing humility (something I was certainly lacking in my previous posts), humility shows humanity, and showing you are vulnerable illustrates this.

So when you walk up to a girl with this high self-esteem and self-confidence you show this value. You being direct and putting her on the spot puts her in a point below you. It's very similar to what xfman was talking about in his direct vs. indirect paradox thread not too long ago.

This is also why when I said to hold eye contact until looking down. This puts her in the submissive position in the interaction it makes her value you above her. So when you approach with what I had talked about you don't show weakness but strength with your vulnerability and she shows more vulnerability with one simply body language signal.... The look Down.

Once again I'd like to apologize for my douche bag behavior. Sorry sir.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Vic why do you waste your time with this guy ?

And yes Invictus you are wrong and you want people to persuade you and if not than they are not good teachers ? Guys give you free advice here be more humble.

In terms of who has more power, I've got rejected many times in the past mate due to approaches. I don't feel powerless at all. I felt powerless when I was a pussy about making a move and instead thinking about the what ifs.

I think you are looking at approaching in the wrong way. I definitely agree with you on the bitchiness however if they are going to reject you, and is they are going to be bitchy. That is their loss. They could have met someone actually interesting. That is the mindset you should have. At one point, I actually enjoyed getting rejected because it is a fact that not every set you open is going to end successfully. At least if I am getting rejected it means I am trying. Also, what is she rejecting when shes only known you for all of 10 to 20 seconds. She doesnt know YOU and she cant reject something she doesnt know. She is only rejecting the way you presented yourself. It cant be personal when they dont know who you are.

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It insults my intelligence to ask me to listen to you if I do not believe you. Then you say why do you waste time on this guy like there is something wrong with me. Look man, it sounds you just want to ridicule me into agreeing with you and thats just unacceptable. That's not humility that is being a bitch, that is submitting to another man. That is what cults do. I will never be grateful for something that is not right. I will always stand against it. Half the time whenever I post something on here all I get is ridicule and no answers. Instead of guys bouncing ideas off the wall all you get are a bunch of egos manifested in trying to tell other people what to do and look down on others.

Power means you are in control. Power means you determine what happens. You can be as fearless and courageous as you want, but it means nothing if you don't determine the outcome.

Yeah I'm done with him.... I tried... I offered a full explanation and he denies it.

The problem is when you don't understand human interaction then you can't fathom the concepts of powers and statuses in a human interaction, the reality is there is no he has more power, she has more power in the interaction. This is mythical concept you create in your mind. You create a reality that she has the power... well there is no such thing as a power balance when you meet in an interaction unless you create it.

That status created is the status you give her, she may feel all high status but you can certainly easily walk in with such a high status attitude that she feels the need to qualify for you.... This is the problem is guys walk in rating women 10s and thinking but I'm only an 8 (subconsciously) I have to add all this fucking value, so I have the power.... LOL What a bull shit concept. Which is the reason I hate when guys rate women... it creates status issues that really don't exist except in the mind.

Fuck that shit.... I walk up with the mentality that I can connect, be attractive, and sexually please every woman... Because I can. Who gives a fuck if physically I'm not a 10.... I've had 10 + girls say I'm a 12 or I exceed fantasies.... You can't play into this mythical power concept. NOBODY takes your power to be you or feel good away from you except you.

I have walked up to very important people and just talked to them like they were regular people guess what? They treated me like an equal..Why? Because I acted as one. Billionaires, millionaires, whatever, actors, actresses... I dismiss them if they walk up with an attitude that they are better than me. Guess how that works? They seek my approval because I don't give a fuck about theirs. They want to know who is this guy... LOL I'm Victor... You're lucky to meet me.. I'll create an impression and you'll never forget me.

NEVER EVER PLACE ANYONE ABOVE YOU OR BELOW BUT ON THE SAME LEVEL AS YOU. This allows you to bond with more people and in doing so makes you the cool cat, that guy who just connect, who just gets people.

Power is a bull shit concept that schumcks are driven by to the point where it literally hurts them. The least happy people you'll ever meet are folks chasing power. It is funny that they think that power is worth having the reality is those who don't care to have it seem to have the most power. I see power lust as a personality disorder at this point.

Anyone who doesn't think there is something wrong with them isn't living in reality... We all have some shit we can be better in.... Anyone who doesn't think so lacks humility, charisma, and the ability to connect with people. Basically they suck ass at being themselves and can't get girls without lying. Sorry but I don't need to lie to fuck a girl, if you have to lie better work some shit out.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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That opinion that something is wrong with everyone is merely an opinion, a value judgment. It can quite arguably be said to be a lie as well. The point is you can see anything in a negative light and anything in a positive light. I don't go around telling people there is something is wrong with them or point out flaws. You live your life your way and if you think its perfect thats your choice. We have a difference in thinking, but you can't seem to accept that. You can't respect that.

You done with me? like you're my parent or my superior or something. Man, Go away! You have a lot to learn about how to treat others. I'm positive. I chose to see everything in the positive light. I want pleasant people around me and I am pleasant. This is not ego this is just positivity. Power is not a bad thing. Wanting power is not a bad thing. Power is how we bring good into the world. THe more power you have the more good you can do and the better you can protect yourself from getting hurt. Power is how civilization went from hunters and gathers to 24 hour 7/11s, power is how we went from communicating with grunts to text messaging, power is how we went from having a caste system to human rights.

This thread is hilarious...

Invictus...

The Socratic Method, of asking specific questions in a progression meant to unlayer a certain outcome, has nothing to do with asking the same question over and over again like some kind of retard parrot.

I have no idea who Vic is (I'm new to this forum), but he's shown FAR more patience with you than 99% of teachers in the world would do so far.

Show some fucking gratitude, and remember that CHANGING FONT SIZE TO YELL LOUDLY THROUGH A COMPUTER doesn't get your point across any better.

It actually makes it look like what you're saying is so weak that nobody would take notice of you if not for ALL THE YELLING. So chill out, re-read what Vic and others have already told you.

You're asking for a magical pill that when you take it, suddenly women throw themselves at you and you don't even have to open your mouth or leave the house. Then once they do, you can finally turn them down and REALLY SHOW THEM who wears the pants now.

Of course power is good--any sane person would rather have some than have none at all. But you sound like Snookie, honestly, ranting about how this is just who you are and you're not gonna change it for anyone blah blah blah chick bullshit blah blah blah. Your ego is gigantic, get over it and you won't even remember the problems you're so obsessed with right now.

Did you seriously blend "power" with "electrical power" in your last post?

....really?

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1.) I use bold and large font to emphasize important points. I am not yelling. That's your assumption.

2.) I repeat my questions when the discussion gets off traffic ala you start talking about my character and my ego and what I should and should not with my life instead of answering my question "How can you be the decider in the approach?" And I have used the Socratic Method effectively and I have asked follow up questions to ferret out the truth.

3.) Fuck gratitude. I refuse to be grateful to someone who disrespects me. That's like being thankful for someone who feeds you but then spits in your food or someone who gives you money then slaps you in your face or someone who gives you a compliment then slanders you.

4.) Electrical power is power and would give you an advantage over a man without it, both in love and in war.

5.) I am not trying to show women who wears the pants. I am a gentleman. I just feel I would be a good person to have power.

6.) The poets suggestions seem more like a way to overcome approach anxiety than a way to become more of the chooser. And his suggestions seem more inclined into making someone into the type of many he wants them to be.

7.) Now I would ask further posters to state ideas they think could help me become more of the decider or nothing at all because I refuse to listen to ridicule.

LOL- Jesus is that you? You are perfect and all.

Fuck dog you must be ripped like Jesus too. With like 2% body fat.... the perfect personality.... A masculine specimen that is truly beautiful. Wide shoulders down to a trim waste. You must be able to heal people too right? You walk on water too bro?

If you were so perfect you'd be able to walk down the street and girls would hit on you. Trust me dude you're not perfect. If you were so perfect you'd be able to walk in at the energy you would need to pick up girls and not be on a forum. However you do have room for improvement we all do... that is why you are here. So act like it...

When you get advice LISTEN don't think there is some Love Potion no. 9 or some shit where you talk and girls want to fuck you. Or like that girl on the UK Misfits show where you touch them and they want to fuck the shit out of you. It's just ridiculous.

I agree you can choose to see things in a positive or negative light and while you should focus on the great things about yourself... being a part of reality isn't a bad thing. Realizing there is room for improvement is how you improve not thinking you are perfect. Regardless of whether you realize this.. PUA is a form of self-improvement.

I'm not saying you have downs syndrome or your have fucking asperger syndrome or some shit, I'm saying we all have room to better ourselves... Just because you see room for improvement doesn't mean you can value yourself with high esteem.

You talk about humility fucking show some. Don't be a lunatic dude. We all have room for improvement.... You saying you don't shows you have something even more wrong than the rest of us. Haven't you ever heard that old "the first step is admitting it."?

LOL - Damn Iwanteasylove.... this shit is funny.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Honestly, my opinion is if you are not willing to take the risk of opening, you are going to get less results. It is literally impossible to get results without rejection. You cannot have success without failure.

BUT

To answer you're question. How you can be the decider and not the women means one thing. THEY HAVE TO APPROACH YOU. So you're answer if that you must peacock to the point where they come up to you. I've gone out a few times in an "equalizer t-shirt" look it up. It lights up to the beat of sounds and is great for parties. Girls came up to me left and right over and over again. Peacocking is what you are looking for. Look up information on Mystery I guess.

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Perfection is in the eye of the beholder. PUA is not about self-improvement its about getting what you want. Ambition. If you are socially awkward, overweight, and reclusive you can still think of yourself as perfect. You can still be satisfied with your self. I dont do pick up to be happier with myself I do it to get what i want...girls. I guess you could call it improvement in the girls' eyes but I don't judge myself based on what other people think of me I judge myself based on what I think of me. Humility is not feeling like you don't meet some standard, thats insecurity. I tell girls all the time they are perfect and wonderful and awesome because I don't want them to feel like they need to change for somebody else.

Don't call me lunatic. I'm not hurting anyone. You need to learn respect. If you think you always have room for improvement you'll never be satisfied with yourself. Pride and Humility are not mutually exclusive.

How can you even think about discussing "what PUA is about" if you're going around lying to women to get into their pants?

Dude, they KNOW you're just saying it, and that you don't really think they're perfect and wonderful and awesome.

And if you DO, then you have no experience with women at all. They're manipulative, sneaky fuckers just like men, and I promise you "perfect" is the farthest thing from what any human is. And they all know that.

I mean damn, if some girl came up to me and told me I was perfect, I'd start laughing in her face for being such a try-hard pussy.

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