Kasabi's answer was good, but your come back was spot on as well Chief.

Being nonjudgemental is a value in which I truly believe in, and it surely helps women to trust you more and to open up to you.

I would love to give (those) girls a new experience, to open their world, giving them "the magic carpet ride", but what if being nonjudgemental, discreet and sexual is not enough and they don't participate? How do you get them that far to ride carpetcock and for them to enjoy it? I can imagine that in conservative Korea, in Arabic countries with a high social-islamic control (note not all countries are opressed there by culture. Iran for example has a large alcohol drinking fucking partying hipster subculture) or elsewhere girls will give you a hard time opening themselfs up to you, or join for the ride. Let's be honest: not everyone will give in as easily as Yasmin did.

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That's absolutely right. In fact, most of these women will have a thicker wall to their sexual side because they've been living in fear from the social control you speak of, and sometimes it takes more than just simply being discreet, nonjudgmental, and sexual for them to open their minds and legs.

As I've said, some women will genuinely want to stay in that comfort zone of sexual conservatism. It's best to leave them alone. Some women, however, are in that grey area where they are comfortable being genuinely sexually conservative (and not just showing a conservative side to the public while being a freak in bed), but they have potential to be inspired into trying something new.

If you talk to women more, you should be able to get a better idea of where her sexual values lie, and to what degree she would be willing to try new things. For example, I don't know WHY the Strawberry Fields test works, but it seems to work in terms of giving me an idea of what some of her sexual values are. If you ask a sexually conservative woman directly, "how many lovers do you want in your life?" or "how large is your sexual appetite?" then she's likely to go into social-script mode by denying her true sexual desires. If you just ask how many strawberries she takes in her strawberry fields test, however, she'll give an honest answer and you'll know the meaning of it.

As much as I dislike Freud, he had a point when he said that everything is related to sex. If you get to know her mental roadmap in other areas of her life, you can piece together a good idea of whether or not she's a prime candidate for the magic cock-ride of her life.

This makes you no different than the Church. Same method, same weapons, same mission. The only difference is that they pray and you fuck. They go to Church and you go to love motels. They offer doughnuts and you hand them a condom. You're criticizing the Church for their MISSIONS, and yet, your mission is just as one sided and aggressive. Why? Because you want to fuck. . . do you also offer your cock missions to fat ugly girls? Why not? They don't deserve to be rescued? They don't deserve the cockpit ride? Until you start offering magic rides to fat and ugly girls, at least stop lying to yourself and accept the fact that you're simply attempting to unburden yourself from the responsibilities of being a man. Why not just take it as it is? You are potentially derailing other people's lives to get your pee pee wet. There is absolutely no shame in this . . . but why not just accept it? You'll tread more carefully when you lose the God complex.

The church also derails everybody's lives so they can collect their taxes and then pay a percentage to their overlords. The small churches barely feed themselves. The guys who run bigger churches live like celebrities, and the overlords that they ALL PAY taxes to rape little boys and girls. Meanwhile, all they ever talk about are 'magic church pew' rides.

More often than not, young people who follow a more conservative sexual lifestyle like abstinence are doing so out of fear.

You've been doing this for a while. Are you suggesting that the fear of being 'uncool', 'disliked', or 'not part of a gang' has nothing to do with PU? These things are powerful enough drive young kids to cause cancer to themselves. (You smoke don't you?) It's powerful enough to make kids starve themselves to death. And it's surely powerful enough to pack girls into love motels thinking that this is all they ever want in life.

By the way, I do not think communism is what you think it is.

I highly encourage anyone and everyone to seek spiritual truth. The main difference between what I'm doing and what the Church is doing is that I'm not telling people to NOT do stuff. If the girls I'm seducing want to go to church every Sunday, great! That's cool with me. I'm just giving them more options while, as I've said before, the institutionalized religions are making people live in fear through their "thou shall nots." I may not be giving the same opportunity to fatties, but that doesn't mean I'm trying to unburden myself of anything with incorrect rationalizations here. Living a healthy and varied sex life does not derail people from living fulfilled spiritual lives through God.

For the Pickup Artist, fear of loneliness or whatnot may have motivated him to learn pickup, but I don't condone using fear (like with forbidden patterns, for instance) to seduce women. I could tell a girl some shit like "We may never see each other again" as some sort of potential emotional reason to have sex that very night, but let's be honest here. You and I both know that women really don't care if they miss an opportunity to have sex. Men look back at missed opportunities for sex with deep regret, but women don't feel that at all. I don't use fear as a motivator when I'm seducing women. I just turn them on and set up the opportunity for things to happen.

I find kasabi's analogy between pick up and the Church, well... [put whatever you're thinking here], for the following reasons:

• 1. Religious punishment could be extreme (torture, murder, genocide). On the other hand, the pick up artist's biggest punishment, at its worst, could be just the withdrawal of his attention or affection.
  
  2. Religious rewards for the flock such as 'heaven' are indefinite and can only be 'experienced' after death. On the other hand, the PUA's rewards are immediate and savored by the living. Women won't be calling the PU artist 'god' while in the throes of orgasms for no other reason than the girl having her taste of heaven.

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Im totally with Chief on this one. Plus Aladdin is my number one favorite Disney movie ever. It is just sad that people cannot see the point Chief is making because they feel threatened by a cartoon streetboy wearing strange clothes. Come on, how can you let the message drown in fear of gay or the way you feel that Aladdin is not a pimp. The song illustrates the beauty of PU, the way that people could think to make it less "shameful". Maybe some of the members might even see it as a good thing.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

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We're going in circles. . . and you're still using the same language that the church uses on their 'missions'.

The point is . . . once you make PU anything more than you and your pee pee wanting to hang out with some vagina, the less likely you're going to own up to your actions. Think about the way the church does the same: "It's the way of the Lord." "It was meant to be." . . . meanwhile, they're stealing money and raping little kids. Shifting their 'mission' to something larger than themselves gives them free reign to fuck shit up. There is no mission.

What do you tell yourself when you walk away from a girl? "I gave her a magic carpet ride!" "I really opened up a new World for her. I hope she saw the Little Mermaid." "I left her better than I found her." . . . meanwhile . . . what really happened? You wanted pussy. You got pussy. You're tired of this pussy. You're out to find more. What's so wrong with reality? Why isn't reality enough?
I agree with you 100% . . . but are you the preacher of the Church in your town? Did God tell you this? Are billions of people in the World absolutely nuts? There is no mission.

Somebody here is missing the point of just enjoying the moment of a pick up and tries to look at it through the convoluted lens of missions and religions.

When I've watched too many war movies, I watch Mr. Bean, Bugs Bunny, and yes, sometimes cartoons like Aladdin. It's all about balance. Yin and yang.

When you give women those magic carpet rides that they could rarely find in men or they've found it for the first time due to very conservative social norms, you have in a way unlocked the psychological walls and barriers put up through memes courtesy of society and religion. You have, in effect, balanced the negative with something positive.

This is not about just getting your dick wet. It's about enjoying the ride-- UNSELFISHLY. Priests and rapists get their dicks wet too but the owner of that busted pussy or arse didn't enjoy the ride. Plain and simple.

Like any art, pick up is to be enjoyed both by the artist and the art patron.

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It really is more than just that; it's art. The process of seduction CAN just be a menial process of get-in-get-out like you describe, but it can also be an expression like any other art. A player plays the game through the "reality" you describe but we pickup artists live in this la-la land of seeing beauty in supposedly menial things. Seduction is an art that's intricate like no other because it's not just an expression of one person but an improvised duet or dance with leading and following, following and leading. There's the call and response like in music theory. There's the suspense and structure like in storytelling. There's the expression of desire like in every medium of art ever.

Why bother going to those fancy Japanese restaurants where the chef juggles the food in front of you when it all ends up on your plate and in your mouth the same way? We enjoy the chef's culinary art in more ways than one. Art does have a higher purpose, and the pickup arts isn't just about getting laid even if that is the fundamental function.

That being said, you raise a good point about taking responsibility for actions. We should all be mindful of the consequences that our actions can lead to.

So I have 2 questions:

Which is the correct religion?

and where can I get a magic carpet?

One day, a Pastafarian alpha geek who works for a Silicon Valley start up made out with his girlfriend at the VIP lounge for venture capitalists. He took away his thick, horn rimmed eyeglasses and began his foreplay.

After a few minutes, the girl says, irritated: "Honey, please stop munching on the carpet and get back to my pussy! Naoooo..."

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1. What's the correct religion? Be a Pastafarian.

2. Where can you get a magic carpet? Try the VIP lounge.

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One word about being 'alpha'. What it's considered alpha here it's no way the same as in Asia (only experienced Japan and Korean women). There is a completely different game, I'd say, 'softer' on the opening but harder on the closing.

So Chief might look soft in his post, but if you think in the first place why you want to be 'alpha'. Most of us want to look alpha to get women and some to get integrated. If he gets both, why does it matter how he looks for us? Isn't fulfilling the 2 points I stated enough?

One example: going somewhere alone here normally shows low value; in Asia, in many situations, it's considered high value and gives you more opportunities to meet women (most are also alone).

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Hope someone answers this:

What happens when it`s YOU the one with prejudice inside your head?

I mean, what happens when you live in a highly judgamental family and it`s YOU the one judging the girl you are picking up?
And more importan: HOW can I make a change? I no longer like myself with this attitude, but I have to admit I`m having a hard time changing it.

Does anyone struggled with judgement the way I`m doing so now? Have you find a way of letting those beliefs go?

Thanks.

You've addressed a very important point.

Our teachers tell us over and over again...
"Let go of your sexual hangups."
"Don't be sexually judgmental."
"Love and understand women."
"Don't be sexually judgmental."
"Deal with your past issues that gave you sexual hangups."
"DON'T BE SEXUALLY JUDGMENTAL."

It's easy to give advice like "Don't be like this, just be like that," but we all know what happens when you say "Just be yourself" to an AFC who doesn't even understand himself. You're asking the right question when you ask "HOW?"

Well, let me tell you something... You already set your mind on a goal: Becoming sexually nonjudgmental. You asked "how?" That means you're already on your way. Your mind has already started giving you the answers, and all you have to do is start listening to that inner voice and to act on your desired goals, but let me offer some advice:

It's no secret that the most serious pickup artists throughout the history of the seduction community have ended up studying Buddhism, not necessarily as a religion, but as a philosophy and as a useful set of tools to enhance inner game. I believe you will find some answers there.

That's what I exactly feel for every conservative/good girl/virgin girl I hit off with

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