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So are guys now being overly realistic and completely rejecting the existence of game, art, and finesse? Discuss.
I would not agree that it is realistic at all, being more honest and genuine is an excellent thing, however I think the idea that ''game'' does not exist or you can not win a girl over with personality is highly ridiculous, In my opinion girls are still at a genetic level attracted to good genes in the same way we are (emphasis on looks), how ever through years and years of social conditioning women have come to be attracted to men with high status, good social skills and positive personality traits that indicate intelligence are indicators of a higher social status or potential to earn more money (this means access to more resources and better quality of life), thus this is what ''game'' is about, creating the preception of being a higher status male, ''high value'', cool, high class, classy, infamous, great person, mans man, feared bad boy, what ever you want to call it, it basically just comes down to being a respected important member of society, your ''status'' is related to how much respect you generate, how ever some people put too much emphasis on their game, thinking that game is all that is important, it seems everything has to be black and white, can a 350 lb trucker pull the hb9 model most of the time from the club because he understands the fundemtals of dress well, dhv and don't qualify yourself to low status behaviors?, fuck no, that trucker is not going to a appeal to most girls naturally due to his genetic set backs, in the same way could a low status guy with 9/10 good looks never be able to pick up girls?, that is just retarded, he would still have plenty of girls interested in him, they just might not be the girls he is interested in, but learning game can help improve a guys sex life or in the end can make him weird (depending on his understanding, and how he applies it and develops), obviously developing how likable and socially skilled you are will improve your chances with the opposite sex, does this mean that how likable and amazing your personality is will take you 100% of the way with women?, hell no, if you are not what they are looking for it is that simple, you are not what they are looking for, but just because you might fit their criteria for what they want in a guy genetically, does not nessicarily guarentee you will be having sex, nor does having the status/power they crave without the genetics
the problem is, all women are different, and what one person considers as a person of high social status, another person will not see the same way, ''value'' is subjective, and what a girl values in a potential partner will vary from girl to girl, so trying to pin point this ''value'' with some sort of attraction equation will always result in no real answer, it is simply an unsolvable equation, you can do some guess work, theorize, and try to put action into motion to prove certain things are more or less appealing, but really there is no one size fits all approach to women, there are some things in general that they respond to, and knowing these variables you can maniplate them to your benifit, but even when doing so other variables outside of your control will still exist that will have an effect on your desired outcome, it is the equivilent to the whole numbers game debate, the outline of what success is, is totally subjective from person to person in the same way ''value'' is subjective, one guy sees talking to 50 girls quickly for 1 minute in one night to get laid as, being rejected 49 times out of 50, another guy goes out, talks to 5 girls, keeps talking to them for 2 weeks, has sex with one of them, now he is seen as being rejected 4 times out of 5, but really what goal is more important to the person in question will define who is more successful, one guy will look at that and say, the guy that took 2 weeks to get laid, but did so with 1/5 had way tighter game... yah man, that's tight game!!, and another guy will look at that and say, who gives a fuck?, guy number one got laid in one day, took the other guy 2 weeks, he was just being a pussy, etc. etc.
your ideal of what tight game is, and how to apply it, is totally subjective to your goals
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