I Wish you would not have use the world intellectualism( when i hear that i think mental masturbation), we all have different goals like the pump man said, but i totally agree with 870, Lately i have seen in this forum and emphasis on fuck fuck fuck and putting getting laid numbers, in my experience after you go for a rampage of fucking different women, you will discover is empty and boring, and for the most part a month or two later you will not even remember the act. It is much better to be in a relationship with the right girl(game changer), not to settle with whatever comes your way(which is were pua comes into the help multiple women to choose from). I am from the school of high risk, direct aggressive, escalation but even that approach has an element of SEDUCTION if you want to keep the girl around.

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I'm with you here (and the last part I did not quote aswell).

I went this route too. It was definately an adventure, but I wonder if it did more harm than good. It felt good getting laid consistantly and experience all the fun stuff I had only heard about. However, the price of detatching from emotional investment was probably too much looking back.

But on the other hand, how else does a newbie get there from here? For those who can remember back to thier AFC days, it sucked. At least for me, putting myself in a position where I might "get lucky" was beyond my skills. Bull-headed persistance was the only way.

All the philosophy about life, self-image, love, etc.. on this forum is great, but only if someone is ready for it. That's what old, successful guys do after the years of struggle that got them there. But the less experienced guys need to get out of thier head and into the field as quick as possible. Hopefully while not fucking themselves up too much.

Guys, I've been divorced for 2 years. I tried tyo make my marriage work - truth be told we both simply forgot to love each other and focused so much on the kids nothing was left to hold on to. I tried everything I could to save that marriage - I was willing to sacrifice all that I held sacred as a man to do so - and it wasn't enough.

Have had 2 'relationships' since. One said no more sex til we were married after 5 weeks of dating! I told her I'd never marry her - that I'd not marry someone with the propensity to withhold affection.

The other - fucking nut-job psycho stalker-type. Took over a year to get rid of her fully!

I fuck now. As soon as a woman mentions ANYTHING close to a relationship - I bolt.

I'm broke that way. I hope every dude here can game themselves to finding love. My son did - I trained him. I don't have that connective ability anymore... so my apologies if I'm one of the 'fuck fuck fuck' guys.

Guilty as charged. I'm done with relationships for a while - BUT, I also make NO pretences about this to women. I'm straight up on that fact going in.

Rodeo.

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yes this is normal after a break up, something similar happened to me, in your case the rampage may last a year or 2 after or during you will meet a girl too good to let go... trust me! for now you are on a different stage...For me it lasted 2 years of rampage after my divorce. The whole point is that just like women need to offer something more than pussy, puas need to offer something more than lets fuck, there is some type of seduction element, specially if you want to see the girl again, which for what i read you do have retiredrodeo...

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Thanks man, props.

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Thank you, 870. One reason I'm takin a step back from the time I spend posting here is that I want to wait until I am able to contribute with more, like what you are talking about.

Keep up the good fight, this forum can still help people, I hope.

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As discussed before.

Post away! You don't need to be the knowledgeable one carrying all the answers to lead people. Western Philosophy -as an example- never really aimed to provide concrete answers to problems, just to begin an honest and truthful dialogue was enough.

Same thing here, if you want to help improve and contribute to this place then you don't need to be a guru of any sorts you just need to be willing to be genuine to yourself and critical -but positive in your engagement with others.

This is the reason what got me going in more direct approach. As someone who knew a lot about social interactions and the works I thought that if I put myself out there being able to get rejected for ME it is a sign of weakness. I think most of us think in this way.

We are studying woman, therefore we think being hurt shows somehow that we are afc.

I realize a lot of guys came here because of bad experiences with woman where they did get hurt badly. And I wouldn't wish it upon anyone(main reason why I don't go for girl with bf's)

But I also recently realized I refused to put any sort of emotional value into an interaction(By this I don't mean deep emotional talks) but actually opening myself up to a girl so that she can get to know the real me. And girls notice when you avoid getting emotionally involved(Not applicable with one nights stands)

I realized that if I didn't open up myself when I'm with a girl, then I can't really expect her to open up to me. Yes being a little emotional detached gets her attention. But not investing anything means that you have no investment to be payed out...

Basically when you are in a vulnerable position with a girl, and you get the girl the reward is so much more than walking up to 5 girls hoping one is DTF and taking her home.

Again.. If you are only going out to satisfy your dick then go do that. But when you want a relationship there isn't really the quality selection you would want.

I understand everyone has different goals. So of course the game will differ for each of us. But just take the value of the emotion that you put into the interaction into the account.

yeah yeah

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It is my back from a few years ago, on a particular occasion when it had a large amount of scratches on it. They didn't really show up in the picture, though. Why do you think it's gross?

Your boy,
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Ah i see now i couldn't tell if that was weird photo shop job at first. You have a size 0 waist now i hate you lol

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Finally a topic worth reading on the PUA Lounge.

Thanks 870 for making it worth my time to visit once more. I enjoyed a post based solely on pure honesty and real guidance.

If only more people would see it like you do, the world would be a better place.

≠ LD

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