You are right, that was to hard. I just don't understand why people find lay reports useful or inspirational and what does it mean that a lay report is well written? Each woman is different and there are a billion things you have to take care of or be aware if you want to have sex with a girl or having a one night stand and those things you can learn from lay reports because not only each woman is different but each situation as well. I didn't mean no be hard but I've worked with so many guys who have written so many lay reports and you know what? All those lay reports were copletely useless, I'm telling you that because I have the experience of working with guys who barely had sexual experiences with women before. Check the interview and hear what Hayley has to say about it, she makes very good points. She used to write something similar to lay reports.

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Winners have simply formed the habit of doing things losers do not like to do 18/03/12

I personally doubt that somebody would go through all the trouble to write a lay report if it's something they made up.

I mean who are they trying to impress? Internet people?

I find lay reports to be useful, it shows what really works and how much of pick up is overanalyzed or unnecessary bullshit. It showed me how effective being direct can be as opposed to being indirect.

Read reports from guys that post consistently about their lays. I especially like Stelar's.

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this one on the ciaram opener is really good by draper apocalypse:
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this is a good one by stelar with dtf girls:

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This one, and all mine unedited, text game, to fuck:

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If you can not learn, then is because you choose not too, tons of good stuff there, and there are many many other good ones... You see the forum is the training gyms, the lay report is the octagon...Now i understand the point of your post the james marshall dude, his lay reports are the worst i ever seen about swing clubs, that is not game(gaming swingers), now gaming a regular girl into going to a swing club that is game(my style).

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I mean that sometimes you learn stuff in field that gives you a new perspective on things. That can be worth sharing. But I agree, to just post in order to show people that you are getting laid is a bit useless.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

We all recognize that some lay reports are to brag and an ego boost but there are plenty that become informative as well. I don't know how you can't recognize. In the interview you say you can learn from field reports right? well some LR are the same as field reports except they end with a full close.

The reader learns what worked on the girl from beginning to end. You learn what makes her horny or orgasm a lot. Another important note is how to get past LMRs. You certainly can't learn from that in field reports. Some of the posters even note that they changed an aspect of their game that is more successful in getting lays then what they used to do.

As for all women being different...you're reading too much into that. All women like the same core qualities in men and that has been proven in a biological level. All women like confidence, healthy, funny men. All the things we've already learned when starting PU. As long as you have the fundamentals down, you will be successful with women no matter what method you follow.

If lay reports were not useful it probably would not be in the forum section. The art of pick up was not made to boost your ego, it is for self improvement. Someone once said, being a PUA is the pinnacle of self improvement for a man and I 100% agree.

^^^^^

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

I think you should watch the interview, Hayley gives great examples because she used to do the same with girls and after some time she realized she was only doing that to look for external approval, you need to see it as a natural thing not soemething you need to brag about

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Winners have simply formed the habit of doing things losers do not like to do 18/03/12

You cannot force people to look at your link. People here expect u to speak for yourself. You cannot start a debate then ask someone else who can explain your point better.

Frankly u have just submitted yourself to a female guru. I have no idea why u would want to do this. However there are plenty of females who are attracted to beta males.

I mean no offence.

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The Jackal an Introduction.
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The Field Reports.
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The Lay Reports.
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First of all she's not a "female guru" she's a dating coach and she's one of the best, you live in the Uk so I think you know that. Right?
Secod of all I'm not forcing anyone to watch the link, I started this thread to ask people about something that I find quite interesting since all forums have a "lay report" section. I don't understand the relation between beta males and lay reports.

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Winners have simply formed the habit of doing things losers do not like to do 18/03/12

If you learned something from something that happened in your life, and you think other people might benefit from hearing your story, wouldn't it be reasonable to share your story?

If I were interested in learning how to make a million dollars, I would likely want to read a story about a real person who made a million dollars. I might learn something useful from it.

When a lot of guys learning pickup become better and more experienced, they tend to lose sight of what the learning process was like. They take for granted the things that newbies need and sometimes they end up telling newbies things like "just be yourself"... They don't see the benefits of LRs anymore because, to them, it's all just the same old stuff they already learned about a hundred times over.

Learning from a good LR is a far better and more reliable method of learning than just reading a general article or an ebook. There's less risk of getting tricked by a KJ. It is possible to doctor a fake LR, but experienced fellas will likely sniff those out pretty easily.

Simply put:
LR = more learning from experience
general posts = more theoretical shit

I find lay reports inspirational and exhilarating. I like them.

There are a BILLION things you have to take care of to have a ONE NIGHT STAND??!!

That's just a way of speaking, in Spanish makes much more sense, but I do think there are many ways you have to take care of in order to have an one night stand; if you think you are going to learn how to have one night stands by reading a lay reports - at least in my opinion- you are wrong. There are too many variables.

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Winners have simply formed the habit of doing things losers do not like to do 18/03/12

I opened a 2-set saturday afternoon at my condo pool. Both had teen daughters there. I had my nephews there. I simply waited until the kids were all on one end, the ladies were on the other and I made my move - opened the set, carried the conversation, had them coming over to me to talk, and then number closed. The ONLY prep I had to do was get my nephews back to my brother and ensure the house was ready...

She asked me in a text "You're going to try to fuck me aren't you? ... I replied with "If given the opportunity, I am GOING to fuck you." She sent back "Be there in an hour"

I had the wine, I straightened up a tad, I had the movie, I had the text removed for violation of the forum rules... what else did I need to prepare for? What other 9,999,995 things did I miss?

Help me....

People - you're overthinking this shit. When you get bogged down into the world of "It's too difficult, things are gettign complicated"... RELAX, Take a step back and find out where the disconnect is - GAME is FUN to me.

It's the most basic form of human interaction. Sex is a natural, animalistic, basic want/craving in the male...I embrace that. I don't get nervous in sets - I trust my own ability to talk. BUT - the only way I got to this level.....practice, practice, practice on set-after-set-after-set.... There is NO substitute for experience.

A one-night stand is easy. Don't fool yourself.

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.