C&F has to be congruent to the person not only your personality.

It works wonders for me. It's the attitude I bring to dates. If you can't calibrate it depending on the girls reactions then you need to learn to read signs and body language better.

It is NOT for everyone and lines can be crossed really easily. If you are physically nerdy looking, poorly dressed and a self concious dork, of course it will blow up in your face. It works better for better looking guys. The MOST IMPORTANT thing about C&F is actually being funny!! Some guys are not funny no matter what there mom's have told them. If you lose the funny then you are just cocky and a chode. No one likes straight up cocky idiots.

It's just like some ugly loser trying to DHV about ex model girlfriends. It's not going to be believable.

Main point it has to be congruent with yourself and all about calibration. I think the PUA has to be more advanced and experienced to use it properly. If it doesn't work for you, drop it. Doesn't mean it is bullshit.

To OP:
How do you use it? Give an example.

C&F is my default mode (to the extent that I've really had to try recently not to come off like this all the time). It's what happened before I started the PUA journey. Speaking to girls from the past, it's one of the things that they liked about me (and what they meant when they said be yourself around girls you're attracted to).

I personally find it only falls down if you don't go so far over the top that they might actually believe that you're that cocky.

"Yeah, I quite like this new mirror I got. There's just one problem though; it's too damned distracting. I spent 2 hours yesterday looking at myself in it."

well, obviously our sense of humor is different. I think this was plain dumb. Have fun with it if you like it. Go on youtube, there are ton retarded jokes just like these.

C & F is great as long as you're actually funny... To a girl! (There is a reason most comedians aren't women)

If not actually funny then you're just cocky and most girls will think you're just another douche.

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exactly.

But every girl has different sense of humor. Then you're left with two options:

Use C&F on everybody (chances are u're gonna come across as a weirdo or douche)

Use calibrated C&F (but it'll take time to see what her sense of humor is like, and if by the time you find it out, you still need to use it then FYL)

Well, this is an interesting discussion but the real deal here is to do it right.

This is not about C&F being inherently good or bad it is just about how you deliver it. It does depend a little bit on the girls sense of humor but that is not a big problem.

Once you have got a little bit more in field experience, you learn how to estimate her level of tolerance and her humor during your conversation. You start off easy and then move on to cockier stuff if you feel like it.

It is a common mistake people do, they try something out for a bit and then if it doesnt work, they deem it "broken". It is like getting mad at the chair if you hit your toe on its leg. It is nothing wrong with the chair, it was just that you didnt use it right. Same with C&F, if done right, it is fun. Cocky is not supposed to be provocative, well a bit maybe but that is not the point. Basically all cockiness does is show confidence and all the funny part does is removing tension from the conversation. People do laugh in tense situations, when they are unsure about something or scared. Laughing together releases that and you build comfort.

Used together, C&F are like push-pull. Or bait-hook-reel-release for the ones whoare familiar with Mysterys lingo. It is all about building up something and needing to let some of it out to make her feel comfortable while you escalate. It is building trust while sexualizing stuff. Same same. Almost all people have this concept in their methods. Why do you guys think freezeouts work so well? Same principle, they are there to relieve her from the feeling of you being there all the time, release the crazy stalker vibe. This way we can build faster since we know how to make them feel like it isnt going to fast since she is comfy all of the way.

This my friends is the secret to C&F. If not the entire PUA mentality. In the end all we learn is building sexual tension without freaking her out.

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1. They can crash.
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6. Planes are better.
7. So are boats.
8. You look like a try-hard commuter in cars.
9. If you have a nice car, you're a show-off. If you have a cheap car, you're a poor/cheap bastard.
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Agree 100% the problem is most guys trying to do cocky(comes with success WITH WOMEN and confidence) and funny ( a lot of guys are not funny even if they think they are), so they come across not congruent, but it works, but you can not be what you are not... Let the game be congruent to you and your personality no the other way around...Most naturals are cocky funny sexual(escalate)...my opinion

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Far from it, but as its been said to death C&F has to fit who you are as a person. If it fits your personality you do not come off as a jerk. If I came off as a jerk using C&F none of my female co-workers would be talking to me, and yet every single one starts conversations with me and find me funny, that is because C&F fits me. And such I don't come off as a jerk or what have you.
I don't care what some PUA guru says what it is, I don't listen to those people much anyway as to me they are out to make money and such they are bound to change what they say constantly.
No you think it is crap because it doesn't fit you and such you see it other than what it is.

In general I think being Cocky is crap. Funny not so crap.

So if your Cocky Funny is 80% cocky, its 80% crap.

Cocky reeks of insecurity and gets women going .

The funny just cancels it out.

I think the only reason cocky funny is popular is because its easier to be funny by being cocky. Otherwise I think its just shit.

Didn't read the whole thread but it's very simple:

If being C&F is congruent with your frame AND it gets you laid, stick with it. Otherwise, find a different hobby.

As long as you're sincere(ly attractive).

I tried it out yesterday with 6 girls. 6 fails(it beat my personal record of 4 flakes in a row.) it's not that I use C&F incorrectly. It also isn't because it doesn't fit my personality(they never got to find it out-that's how fast i got shut down).

but that's not the worst part of C&F. The worst part is that it is not a technique, rether a state of being-and that's a crappy state of being.

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Read all the material...

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Does all of it never work?

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