If you arive at a club at 10pm, the girls arent ready to go home yet! They spent hours getting dressed up with their friends to have a night out of fun and dont want to go home straight away and get undressed, no matter how good you are.

The key is timing.

girls arent ready to go home straight away, so it is important you save these big guns to pull out at the right time.

If you do this too early, you will lose the girl because you simply cant maintain this vibe for 4 hours, it will just kill it.

A successful way Ive found, is just to meet them early on, then come back and escalate with this technique later.

Or only use this later on when you meet them. Im speaking about night game at clubs/bars only.

Before reading, know this:
I am not selling a product.
I am not a coach.
I am not gaining anything by doing this, save the critique and gratitude of a bunch of men on the internet.

I AM mister know-allot and I WANT

others to have what I have.
others to know the luxury of looking down on the masses the way I do.
others to gain that pua-inspired, patronizing expression that says:

'I know something you don't... YOU cannot touch me.'

The one that makes the men think you've got a deck's-worth of trump-cards.
The one that causes the women to scan you up and down, searching for your 'deck' when they think you aren't looking, ONLY to have their focus slammed back into their HOT-AS-FUCK-physiques, when they realize that you are.

So here's me writing it down for you.

The cornerstone of PUA (Social Success)
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Every single human being is equipped with certain attributes that QUE (signal) his/her perceived self-worth (relative to his/her environment) TO their environment.

For instance. A man might be wearing expensive clothing, feeling out of sorts, looking jumpy and affected by his surroundings (The 'flinch' apparent on his face). It doesn't take a team of scientists to figure out the man isn't used to wearing said clothing.
We see it, but as we can't fully pinpoint 'why', we tend to doubt it's validity.

It's not a subject that requires allot of faith, seeing as how we all seem to implicitly know it. Yet it is only when we consciously know it, that we can successfully use it to our advantage (Corner stone PU).

First, it's important to realize that our self-worth is relative to that of the person in front of us.
It's not constant.
It's not a set of points that remain somewhat steady throughout the day.
It's something that's felt comparatively. Relative to others.

If the person in front of you feels confident, you'll see it.
If said person is nervous, you'll see that too.

You don't need classes. You don't need to analyze his or her behavior.
We react to these signals instinctively. Meaning, without a conscious thought.
That goes trice for women.

Now for the most important part,
it's time to take notice of 'the hack'. The kicker (The one that keeps kicking long after you're down). I've heard someone call it 'Interactive worth-assessment'.
This is how it works:

(1)If you perceive your worth as lesser than that of a certain individual, this lesser sense of worth will express itself to that individual. (Facial Expression, tone, stance, verbal interaction)
(2)This individual will likely perceive his own worth higher to that of yours because of it and his higher sense of worth will be expressed back to you. (Facial Expression, tone, stance, etc.)
(3)This individual's behavior (Facial Expression, tone, stance, etc.) will make you feel lesser in worth because of it. Again, you will express this.
(4) And so forth.

(Opposite scenario works in a similar, if not identical, fashion)

But how do I influence these ques and signals/beacons?
As I've noted. The main one IS OUR FACE.

Our facial expressions.


But Quill, it can't possibly be THAT easy, you say?
Yes, it is THAT 'easy'.
But no, It isn't easy.
Sure, changing your facial expression will have impact. Immediate impact, even.

But those who've ever tried their hand at acting have already figured it out.
It's hard to keep it up.
It's hard to mask jumpiness.
If you don't FEEL the self-worth that comes with THIS expression... you won't be able to hold it for very long or in some cases... even achieve it. You'll flinch.

You see, our faces change constantly during the day. Different at every interaction.
Sense of worth, self or that of another, is a dynamic business.

Therefore, for most, it is NOT the expression, stance, tone of voice we want, it is the underlying sense of self-worth that triggers them.

Is this starting to sound like a cliche yet?
Good. Success breeds success and confidence is what you need might stock you up on corn and cheese, but damnit... they're true.
AND here's where it gets confusing for most. It brings us to our next point.

How do we influence this sense of self-worth using PU?
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Use routines? Go natural?
First thing to consider is 'I Am not talking about fucking chicks.'
I'm talking about the behaviors that make up an attractive individual.
Each method has it's own merits when it comes to 'fucking chicks'.
But even those with the least attractive behaviors can 'fuck more chicks' if they added in the 'luck-factor/numbers-game'. So forget chicks for a moment. And think of what constitutes an attractive individual.

Someone who expresses high self-worth to his surroundings. A person who looks unflinchingly and consistently like Alec Baldwin . (Grain of salt)

Why Natural-game works:
It's about comfort. A comfortable person expresses high self-worth. It's nearly impossible to have 'fun' in an unknown enviroment (Club) if you feel 'lesser' to the people around you, whether that be as a group vs. surroundings or as an individual.

Why Routine-game works:
You try and manipulate the signals you're sending out.
People who succeed at this usually don't do so because of their intimate knowledge of their non-verbal communications (Face, Stance, walk, tone, etc)... At least, not at first. They Succeed because of the trust they adopt from their routine.
Their sense of control is apparent on their faces.
They're walking around, using their opinion openers, body rocking techniques faultily (again, at first...) but they're doing it with their aw-yeah-faces on.
Then when the novelty of their new found skills grows old, they have a dry spell.

Routines don't work as well as they used to. They keep at it. Gain control of their 'beacons'/'signals' or better said, LEARN TO ACT.
They come back twice as strong.
Higher self-worth because of their new-found-skill. And showing more attractive behavior by conscious effort.

They faked it till they made it.




Reread as needed.

The Man

Ok guys I am not one to be for this alpha cocky guy, though I do recognize myself doing it from time to time. Being “The Man” (as I put it) isn’t really a word set. It isn’t a nice suit. It isn’t a great car. Being “The Man” is all body language. When you try an be this cocky funny guy that you are just not cut out to be you just look like an awkward @55h013. Anyone with any type of personality can come across as being “The Man”.

I have already talked about how you want to stand and walk. You need to stick your chin up. Stick your shoulders out. Push your chest out. Walk with true confidence. Don’t look at your feet when you walk. How many years you been walking now anyways? We worry so much about what not to do. Let’s focus on what we should do. This is what I think you guys should focus on.

Pull your scapulas as close together as possible.
Keep your shoulders out while you are doing this (impossible to avoid).
Push your chest out.
Keep your chin up.
Keep great posture (surprisingly attractive feature).
Make consistent eye contact and smile at strangers (all of them).
Smile a lot.
Keep your eyes up.

The Mind Set

Being “The Man” does not exist in words. It does not exist in knowledge. It does not exist in appearance. Being “The Man” is in your mind. Becoming “The Man” is the realization that not one person in this world is any better than you. Being “The Man” is acknowledging your insecurities and growing comfortable with them. It is not changing you but changing your mindset about you. When you are truly “The Man” as I put it you don’t worry about a person’s opinion of you. You guys need to realize that you are “The Man”. If you would choose to go around everywhere thinking “I am “The Man”” you will become “The Man”.

Sounds terribly fruity, but that is all becoming the “guy”, “dude”, “man” , is realizing that no one is better than you. Acknowledging your insecurities and becoming comfortable is all it takes. There are things we can (and should) change about ourselves, but don’t change yourself so much that you don’t recognize yourself.

The thing about it is we place all this worth in material items and physical beauty that we don’t realize that has nothing to do with being “The Man”. We tend to place worth on ourselves by aesthetics and material items. This is not at all true. Would you rather hang out with someone laid back and a hospitable host but does not have a lot to give or someone who is a total douche bag with a sly ride and nice spot? I would hope you would go with someone that is laid back and comfortable. That is the way the general population feels. Why would you want to hang out with someone who made you feel bad?

How many douche bags do you know that get a lot of tale? The difference is only confidence. That is it. Douche bags tend to be arrogant and most certainly think they are better than everyone that is their low point and high point. Their body language speaks value because they feel they are high value, even though their character offers no value at all.

Just Be “The Man”

You guys when you walk into the spot greet people like you have met them before, for some reason if you acknowledge them with a familiar look they will acknowledge you the same. When this happens you build a rapport like you are familiar with them quickly. People tend to mirror the body language of others. Walk in with an attitude like you know everyone, they will act like they know you.

I am not going to lie it’s very easy to be “The Man” when everyone tells you that. When you can go to most places and know at least one person everywhere, you tend to become “The Man”. I fell into becoming “The Man”. But I was a shy 17 year old when I moved 800 miles from home to go to college. You don’t have to start out being “The Man” however you can decide to be “The Man”. It may take a while to convince yourself so you will have to work at it.

When you go places don’t try and be “The Man”, just walk in being “The Man”, walk with wide carefree shoulders. Just imagine how you would walk with perfect confidence and walk like that. Picture yourself as this confident guy and see how you would walk, talk, stand, and move than emulate that person because after all it is you. That is the body language you will go anywhere with. How do you think you would go into the place if you were “The Man”? Now do exactly that.

She makes eye contact.
She will look away; she will show a submissive sign.
She will preen.
She will again look back again and return eye contact generally within 2 minutes.

If he doesn’t notice, which most men don’t, she will repeat this action maybe with a different preen. But she will always return for another look and try to get eye contact.

The point being if they make solid eye contact then look down, the chances are it was directed at you. If she looks over again you are solid, go game her.

Naturals

I operate a lot like some of the naturals I know/of, which is why I post in this section most. All these pick up artists don't understand why a natural gets "any" girl he goes after. Well he goes after girls who are already interested in him. I do the same thing, I look around a room, look for looks to me and than I work accordingly. My body language is confident (I walk in like I own a place like I said) but non-threatening.

You guys are learning about what a natural does to be good with girls. His “natural” body language allows him to have a wider variety than the average guy because of his confidence, his sexual annunciation (masculinity through body language), and ability to read girls. His instinctual understanding of courtship such as: when to elevate, when to slow down, how to build comfort, and how to touch. These are all things you can learn and make instinct.

Most "Naturals" walk into a room, take inventory, and figure out which girls they can get. Then they go pick up their target out of the ones they have already been eyed by. They have a natural understanding of body language that allows them to read their actions and react properly. They have a natural understanding of what a woman is saying silently.

Of course these guys may end up getting more and more attention through out the night from different girls through out the room due to social proof (why do all these other girls like him?). When the night starts they may have 5 options, when it ends they may have 20. So they appear to be able to get any girl.

So they understand who they can get, then they target those girls. After this they have an instinctual understanding of body language so they just know how to elevate and when to. They know where all the hot spots are so they naturally kino there. They just understand what the woman is saying through their body language and react great to what they are "saying". She reached out for me owe, well I should accept her invitation and touch her back. She leaned in I can lean in.

Overall they have a very high success rate because they are selecting girls they have already past the first screening of and than going to these girls. After that their instinctual body language reading and reaction takes place. Not everyone may agree with this. Some naturals also have the ability to do pick up "naturally" because they have a natural understanding of body language. They go talk to a girl, their body language speaks value and they read then react properly to the girl’s body language.

My five Phase comparison of Natural vs Pick Up:

Attention:
Pick up artists are good because their boldness. They go up and catch a girl's attention. This is why pick up artists peacock it gets attention.

A natural looks over and gets attention from a girl from a body language stand point (such as eye contact across the room). This is most people’s selling point. I know of a few of them that play an eye game where they try and catch each other looking. A natural will start building sexual tension from across the room.

Recognition:
Pick up artists get a girl to recognize them because they caught their attention. They speak to these girls and get recognition.

A natural has got their attention and had them recognize their body movements annunciated their masculinity. Their eye game is part of their recognition.

Interaction/Talking:
Pick up artists need the third step more than Naturals. They have to talk and interact with them using canned lines that have proven to entertain. They have a routine. They use mechanical styles and have escape phrases. They consciously put effort into knowing what to do rather than instinctively doing so.

This for me is a huge difference because of the approaches they take. While a natural is likely a pretty charismatic person, entertaining and fun, he also has a natural understanding of body language. He instinctively knows how to announce his intentions through body language. They build sexual tension through body language and comfort.

Touch:
A pick up artist knows they need to consciously kino and read IOIs to figure out what is going on. They touch because they consciously have to show their intentions. They escalate when they are getting IOIs.

Naturals slowly close the gap and bring up the intimacy with no effort because their instinctual body language reading skills. They naturally build rapport with a girl and their body language adjusts to theirs perfectly. They are non-threatening even with the annunciation of their sexuality (masculinity). They know where they can touch a girl, how much space they can have. So he knows how and when to elevate. He knows a girl’s hot spots. He can build intimacy through touch and he builds strong sexual tension this way.

Sex:
A pick up artist usually experiences last minute resistance because he has built an artificial rapport. He made her attracted to them through tips and tricks. He doesn’t make her comfortable because he knows what she wants; he makes her comfortable because he has learned how to make her comfortable with him. His body language reading and touch are forced conscious and more mechanical, so he hasn’t made her has comfortable for intimacy. The sexual tension is there but not as strong as with a natural, they haven't comforted them through body language.

Naturals have built a natural familiarity and comfort for the girl. The sexual tension is very strong. There is no last minute resistance. They have built a rapport through comforting her with their body language, by going as far as they are allowed to. They naturally mirrored their body language, they closed the space at the same rate they were allowed to, they read their body language and reacted how they were suppose to. They fell into sync with the girl. There is no last minute resistance; there are no words, just actions. Silence can be a powerful weapon if used properly you can do very well. I have seen guys pick up on girls with little to no conversation, kiss close with out a word for 45 minutes(also got her number).

That is my perception on the difference between most pick up artists and naturals. I hope you guys got something out of this.

Chief: Can you keep a secret?
Girl: Yes!
Chief: Cool.
Girl: ...
Chief: ...
Girl: ...
Chief: ...
Girl: WHAT'S THE SECRET???
Chief: Oh, I just wanted to know if you could keep a secret because I like being discreet.

You need the approval of her friends or you aint going nowhere with her. The best way to do this is stepping in and merging with the group and then show dominance, when you are already accepted. The friends will actually help you get the girl if they like you. I once had a girl tell me "You are not my type" and her friend stepped in telling her "Oh shut up, he is exactly your type" and sure enough later on the girl invited me home.

So you gotta be the social master, make people feel like they can trust you, even if they cannot. And, make them above all feel like they can trust you with their friend!

I’ve rarely had a girl agree to my verbal offer of sex, but ive always put it in the back of their mind so that when I offer a more subtle alternative later we both know they are agreeing to sex.

Just like in The Ivy in Sydney when I asked the girl to ‘come to those sex bathrooms’ and she said no, but said yes to ‘going for a walk somewhere’ 5 minutes later.

This isn’t so much to do with the words I'm using but my overall frame: I'm clearly presenting myself as the sex guy, the guy they can go on an adventure with, the guy they can indulge with who won’t judge them for it. I'm presenting them something they are rarely offered so they jump at the chance.

okay too many spelling errors, a bit confusing, this is the latest edited version:


Mistakes guys make at the club:

1.- Hanging out with too many guys: I recommend you hang out with a maximum of one other guy. It is better to be alone as women will be less intimidated and may even approach you (This happens to me all the time). If you are going to the club with a group of guy friends make sure that everyone meets at the club in separate cars. The reason you should do this is when you hook up with an hb and your wing or friends don’t they will pressure you to leave early or take them back killing the chances of taking your target home. Make sure that if you do hang out with a guy or group of guys that have no game or do not project higher value, in some instances they may simultaneously lower your own value in the eyes of your target and her friends, guilt by association. Moreover, when there are too many guys it creeps women out, it looks like a pack of ravenous wolves trying to pray on a rabbit. Generally, I prefer to game alone but sometimes I have a wingman that I meet at the club. However, if he is having an off night, or his value is being lowered by too many mistakes, I will move off and game alone.

2.- Parking.- A problem I frequently notice men make is standing stationary in the middle of the dance floor looking for targets. Doing this is creepy and lowers your value. You need to either park outside of the dance floor or you need to be moving through the club. I usually go to a corner or a spot outside of the dance floor and dance, then when they play a good song or I see a girl I like I approach her immediately.

3.- Looking at a girl multiple times: When you make eye contact with a girl, do not break eye contact, just go up to her and say: “How you are going to look at me like that and not say anything, come on lets dance” or better yet do not break eye contact at all and go up to her and dance. Do not stay where you are and stare at her multiple times, that is creepy and/or shows lack of confidence, try to use the 3 second rule,
THREE-SECOND RULE—noun: a guideline stating that a woman should be approached within three seconds of first seeing her. It is intended to prevent the man from thinking about the approach too much and getting nervous, as well as to keep him from creeping the woman out by staring at her for too long. Origin: Mystery.
4.- Grabbing or touching when opening: When you INITIALLY approach the girl do not grab her hand or touch her, the only exception to this rule is when they play Latin music, or Latin beats for example Shakira, Ricky Martin, Pit Bull, or Regeton. After you are in the set and pass the social hook point, you should escalate little by little.
5.-Chasing: Do not chase women around. When you are dancing with a girl and she walks away, just act neutral and keep dancing or open another girl or set. Frequently, women will try to shit test you by dancing with another guy; let her do it and do not chase after her: you are the prize. Regardless of how tempted you are to chase after her resist it! Remember: to get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl. As I said women have done this to me ALL THE TIME, and they end up coming back.
6.- Buying girl drinks and flowers: Do not buy girls drinks or flowers. If you have already made out with her and she is into you, then you may decide to go this route. Personally, I would advise no to buy drinks, unless you have made out with the girl and she is really into you and is not a shit test. Never buy her flowers under any circumstances, make your own napkin flowers (I will link some tutorials on how to do this later in the book). Buying drinks too early in the interaction is sending the message you are not good enough therefore let me buy you a drink so you can keep hanging out with me, comes across as too accommodating and overcompensating and may kill attraction. If a girl asks you to buy her a drink, tell her ”Of course. Do you have 10 dollars?” Most girls do not ask guys to buy a drink especially if they know the guy has game. Usually if a girl is hinting me after we made out that she wants to get a drink what I do is say “Go ahead. I will be right here since some times is a hint that she wants the interaction to be over or she wants to be isolated. If she goes to the bar and she wants me, or gives me indications that she wants me to join her, I go with her but I stay 5 steps back; I will behave as if I have no idea what is going on. I do not look at her, but instead give her my back and keep dancing till she has gotten and pay for the drink at that point she usually comes back to me.

7.- Failure to pick up on hints: Sometimes the girl will move away, stop dancing when you approach, or her friend will Hugh her dancing(rescue mechanism). Additionally, her body language may indicate that she/her group of friends want to be left alone. This is normal. No matter how good you get you cannot win them all. The problem that I see is guys staying there like idiots, or do not get the hints and worst follow them around after they move to another place to dance. If you are with your wing and the girls reject you, by Hugh dancing the girl, you can do the same shit with your wing while giving them the back: the girls will be embarrassed and is kind of funny.

8.- Being too aggressive or not being aggressive: You need a balance of push pull. Turn her on, but also pull back a bit, then go back to turning her on then pull back, but do not make the mistake of being all over her to a point that she feels violated. Watch my dancing videos. I will demonstrate the correct way to do this while dancing. Your goal, when dancing, is to escalate as much as possible and to make out with the girl while at the same time the hb is having a really good time.
9.- Failure to engage the group: If she is with a group of men and women, you have to engage the whole group. I do this by dancing with everybody including the guys (no gay shit but like grabbing hand and jump in back and forth in hip hop/reggae or like friendly bumping with hard core hip hop and hard rock for example, not amoging) or encouraging everybody to dance and high fiving.
10.-Approaching difficult sets: If you see that the girls are overly into themselves or are in their on world rejecting people left and right it is best to avoid. If they are in a committed relationship, or you saw the group and they were into another guy(s), who just went to the bar and is coming back, approach other sets that are not as complicated. With that being said, approach everybody I am just saying that in the choice of difficult sets vs. easy sets, I recommend going with the easier set first.
11. - Fighting- I am a martial artist and speaking from experience, there will be incidents where guys will try to fight you. Girls can be equally crazy wanting to fight because you bumped into each other, or you are trying to dance with their girlfriend. Regardless, do not fight under any circumstances! Not only will it lower your value, you will be banned from the club, the bouncers will beat the crap out of you, then you will get arrested, and pay a bail bond of $5000.00 on top of spending a night in jail. Just ignore them and leave.

12.- Leaning in: No matter how loud the music in the club is, do not lean in to talk to a woman. Your back should be straight as a wall. You must avoid leaning in even if the music is loud. This includes lowering your head. Your head and back should always stay straight when talking. If she wants to talk, cup her ear (so it is not so loud that you two are screaming, and talk), but try not to talk, if you do, remember to avoid leaning in.

13. – Approaching from behind: I do not recommend approaching a woman with her back turned to you, because this is what every other loser does. There is nothing original or unique about this approach. Additionally, she has to turn around to see who is dancing with her, and if you get rejected it will look really bad and lower your value to other potential targets/groups. The exeption to the rule is when she saw you anticipates that you are coming behind her after giving you iois, the most common one looking at you while fixing her hair and proximity to where you are or bumping you on purpose or subtle. The second exception is booty music with younger crowd.
14. - Bumping the girl, or dancing back (her booty) to back (your booty): Shows lack of confidence and again what every other loser does, it may work and some puas do it, but in my style of club game I do not recommend it cause it shows that you are not confident, man enough to come up to them from the front. The exception to the rule when she has giving you the iois, but again no my style.
15. - Asking the girl to dance: Do not ask girls if they want to dance. If they tell you they no do not want to dance do not beg. Worst still is after she has said no, asking her friends to dance. What do you think they are going to say? NO TALKING! NO CONVERSATION, NO PICK UP LINES, NO OPENERS, NO OFFERING DRINKS, SPECIALLY ON LADIES NIGHT (free drinks).

16.- Having too much high energy or too low energy: Your energy level has to be slightly higher than the set you are opening, too much high energy and the set will think you are a loony. Low energy you will lose you the set because you are a buzz kill.

17. - Being a Dancing Monkey: I see excellent dancers in Clubs, who can hold the attention of the whole club but do not get any girls. Alternately, if they are with girls, those women will only be their friends. These guys never or hardly ever hook up. Do not be a dancing monkey. From time to time, I will go into the middle of the dance circle or dance flashy to call attention to myself from nearby hot women. Doing this is a DHV. However, I never do this for more than a minute or two. Then I run my regular club game.


18.- Getting too drunk: I do not recommend drinking, if you do drink, drink only enough to loosen up. Heavy or even moderate drinking will fuck up your game, get you into fights, and get you in trouble. Drinking in bars or clubs is also expensive.
19. - Long term memory: You have to be like an NFL quarterback after throwing an interception (Brett Favre) for example, you need short term memory, if you get rejected, or things do not go your way, you need to forget about it IMMEDIATELY, and move on. But you need to go return to a confidence, fun, cool state. Do not over-analyze: what did I do wrong? Why she ditch me? Maybe I am ugly. This includes all that negative shit we put in our heads. You need a strong inner game. Believe it or not the best guru for inner game in my opinion is a Pastor by the name of Joel Osteen. I recommend getting his books, and watching his television shows.
20.- Lack of Calibration: CALIBRATE—verb: to read the verbal and nonverbal responses of a person or group and accurately deduce what they are thinking or feeling at that moment. Origin: Richard Bandler and John Grinder. Let me illustrate with couple of examples: One time I met a girl that had not gone out to a club in more than 15 years because she was married, and just got out of the relationship. She was struggling financially due to the bad economy, was into me and wanted to take me home. We were having a good time, till she asked me to buy her a drink, I went into pua mode and I said: Do you know who I am? I do not buy girls drinks, they buy me drinks. Then I told her to go back with her friends I had to go. In that example all I showed is that I was a jerk off and a cheap ass, when I called her 3 days later no response, and I guarantee you that night she wanted a SNL.
Another example is this one from the pua forum from a member name phagan:
"A case in point from tonight - a 3 set. HB7s. I start dancing with one of the chicks, getting closer, closer... making out. Great. We dance for maybe 3-4 minutes, making out a few more times, I make sure to always be the one who breaks it off. She puts her hand under my shirt, she looks at me all seductive... it's on. Then she takes a step back and tells me "dance!", looking at the floor in front of me as if giving me instructions to "dance for her"... so I come closer to her and say "I don't take orders from anyone" and back off a little, still inside her air space, smiling, not angry or anything... just being my cool self, the same self she was making out with 20 seconds earlier. "

According to PUA rules/textbook, what he did was to follow his teachings. But as you can tell there is lack of calibration, all he had to do was to dance with the girl seductively, he blew up his chances.

Thanks, very helpful thread. Not a lot of college pua online honestly. More FRs would be awesome.
Awesome how big is your school and do you think youll get the reputation on campus of the guy who walks around talking to girls? (thats what Im scared of most and source of a lot of AA)