Your mma school must suck if they let you teach classes. My mma school, which has real professional mma fighters and our sensei a 40+ year martial art practitioner always prepares us for street fights, who has a blackbelt in tae kwon do, 2nd degree black belt in karate jutsu, aikido 3rd kyu, black belt 4th degree in kakuto-jitsu and a black belt in brazilian jiu-jitsu with a professional fighting record of 45-5-3. He's legit, unlike the pansies you guys call teachers. He won an US Open Full Contact, enough said.

Bullshit? The whole alpha male shit is based on animalistic Pack Mentality. Who defends the group of gorillas? the Silverback, what does he do? fight. Who defends the pride? The Alpha Male Lion, what does he do? fight. Read? this is why you're wrong and I'm right, I don't need to read up on shit that pansies wrote on puadom just because they're afraid of a little confrontation.

The only time there are charges is if its a one way beating, as long as there is an altercation, an exchange, then there won't be any charges because that person can reciprocate that charge. As far as getting banned from a club, there are many many many clubs... besides club owners change like every 3-5 years anyways.

The alpha male in animals are the ones who are strongest. But we are humans and far more evolved. We realized that no matter how strong one person is, they can't take on 10 people at once. That's why the modern Alpha male is the leader. The leader holds the pack together.

As we are primates, we do have the urge to fight, but I think this is just a derivative of our urge to fling poo at people we don't like.

StreetGeek, if you pick fights with people who just "step on your toes," you're gonna get seriously hurt one day. I have seen too many fights start at bars, parties, etc where some guy pulled a gun, or somebody left and came back with six friends. There was only one Bruce Lee, and none of us are the second coming of that badass. Some guys think that its a matter of respect, that running, walking away, or just waving down the bouncer when shit starts means you're weak. Well respect won't remove a bullet or stop a knife from piercing your skin.

skills is exactly right by saying that the best move is to cool the situation down or get the attention of somebody who works the venue. I have seen firsthand too many fights escalate into gun violence or a circle stomp because guys let their egos take control. Anybody who's seen somebody bleeding out in front of you, who isn't a violent psychopath at least, would agree with me.

And as to the OP, once again, I feel the need to point out once again that if you are blacking out at clubs, you are drinking too much. I can drink like a goddamn fish, and I'm not one of the guys that thinks you have to abstain from drinking when you go out if you plan on opening any women. But if you're blackout drunk, there is no way you will have the awareness to close a woman. And blacking out certainly doesn't justify violence, to address the specific question.

I dont condone fighting but you gotta admit, if you do get in a fight, its definitely fun and funny to talk about during/after the night.


Do what you want, who comes on a pick up board to ask if he can hit a guy?


Dude, if a guys pissing you off or getting aggro, either go for the chin or go find something better to do like chat up girls or make fun of him.


If you want some tips on fighting:

Cover your face with your arms, elbows face height and bent.

Get the first punch in

Go for the chin

Keep going for the chin

Push/run forward whilst doing the above.

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I think the only time fighting is acceptable is if you've tried to calm down the situation to no avail and you feel like you're in danger.
If that's the case then you attack first ( which is still legally classed as self defence)
forget about the game forgot about social proof. One misplaced punch and you could die.
About 3 months ago there was a fight outside a club I went to and a man was punched and he hit his head on a curb and died.
This is why I no longer drink.

Violence is never necessary so dont ever be the one to start it, however if someone does come at you, ALWAYS defend yourself even if that means kicking there arse,

from a PUA view, u gotta show that u dnt take emotional shit, verbal shit, or physical shit, even if u loose, standing your ground for whats right specially defending someone else, is always a MASSIVE point winner,

im a big guy and drunk guys like to try it with the hard looking man in the room so often come at me...my best result yet was this... i once had a guy hit me cause i was gaming on his bird, i turned back and went "mate yr drunk go home", he came at me again and hit me again i took about 5 hits with his "girl" trying to stop him before she went "fuck it do what u want"....the second she said this and he tryed for his 6th punch i moved hit his stomach upcut under the chin, K.O. literally...

she then looked at me in shock at how fast it was over and went "why didnt u do that in the first place" and i responded with "cause u didnt want him hurt till just now" and with that took her by her hand, didnt ask jst gental grabbed her hand and walked out the club to a different quitter bar round the corner and didnt say a single word till we got to the other bar and sat down and she looked at me saying "that was really cool what u did back there" so i just went "cheers" and moved straight in for the kiss...

For the record F CLOSED that night, and the next 3 nights and days

If this isn't you, then you're still talking a load of shit.

Here is a good display of someone with short man syndrome, there is no doubt in my mind that you can not fight for shit! people that fight do not go around announcing that they can fight, thanks for qualifying yourself to me, i guarantee you that i can kick your ass, but i am not about fighting i am about getting laid... Keep fighting at clubs, more girls for me, while you get your ass kick by the bouncers...

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Wow, this has gone to a 2nd page without a consensus being reached? Fair one. This is a question that is integral in the highest levels of government or even international institutions. The question isn't necessarily about violence but it addresses the "use of force". Essentially, it's the same thing (just without the same connotation).

Basically, there is no right or wrong answer. It's a matter of opinion which is formed using an accumulation of factors, the most important of which is context.

Anyway, onto the actual question - When is violence (aka the use of force) necessary? When you have to defend yourself? Definately, or else you're not fulfilling your first instinct of survival. When you have to defend a friend? Well that's trickier. Does your friend need help? Will it be justified to help him? I mean, has he brought it on himself? If so, help break it up, but don't help him beat the guy up. If he has an argument with you for not beating the guy up, tell him why.

In cases were it isn't self defence, and a guy is "stepping on your toes"... my fucking word. That is the worst reason to fight someone. How do you mean stepping on your toes? Pushing you about? Being a dick? Being annoying? Imo non of these are worthy reasons to use force. The better option is use the authority figures that are set up to deal with this dilemma; police, bouncers, security, referee, boss etc. The entire reason we use violence is to prove ourselves physically that we are superior. Now this is PUA 101 shit. Proving something to someone, means you are qualifying yourself to someone. So going to the authority figure means that you don't have to prove yourself physically to the guy, that now you now have the upper hand (authority) on your side, so he has to prove/ qualify himself. But he can't. So he leaves. You win. Please not that noone was hurt, nor was violence used in the making of this hypothetical situation.

But let's get back to it. Should you use violence when someone's hitting on your gf? Fuck no. Unless the guy won't back off if SHE has asked him to. Infact, even then, do the above. Tell him to back off, then get the authority figure if you need. As for hitting the guy, no. Your only role is support for your gf to the point she doesn't feel threatened by the other guy/ abandoned by you. She takes the lead. If she wants to talk to this guy, let it happen. Talk to him yourself if it's appropriate. AMOG, without violence. What is important is that you arn't someone who feels the need to get involved to prevent something happening - that's a sign of insecurity, not of an alpha male.

Violence was an alpha male characteristic when physical force was what decided your place in the tribe. Out of my friends, the physically strong guy is not the leader. It's the guy who's got wit, intelligence, blah blah blah, but not the guy who beats people up at clubs.

But hey, what do I know, I'm just a 3rd year politics student, part time stand-up comic, datee of a hot partical physicist student 2 years younger than him, who qualifies himself within the final paragraph of his post...

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Yo.. wtf @ dude actin' like he's slick with them hands. He's probably the softest cat on this site.

Please refrain from putting offensive, flaming, or racist coments on the forum. Mod

Wtf @ a mod saying my comments were racists? Maybe if I dropped the n bomb with a er at the end, SMH.

If a black guy says nigga, it's racist... Wow.

Dont look into it so much, violence is never a way to solve things. However, it isn't always avoidable.. Just leave it if some fool starts giving you grief in a club as theres normaly more trouble to come if you start fighting in clubs with bouncers and then probably getting banned..

Although I wouldn't advise simply ignoring a blatent attack like that! I'll admit I've had a pounding for doing this but if a dude gives me shit I'll stand my ground until someone hits the deck, just be warned it may well be you!

Only slight advantage is if you're covered in bruises you can claim the sympathy vote from girls and claim you were hit by a train or something..

Your first sentence described it as a ghetto club, so really no matter what you actually did that night you walked into a bad situation. I'm pretty much a boozehound and I've never seen or been in a barfight, so unless you enjoy that kind of crap sounds like you need to change your scene.

Dude don't use violence as an answer to anything. You shouldn't even use violence, only self-defense The only time it is ever a good idea to strike back is when you get jumped. And even then, don't go swinging like mad, just set them down hard enough so it isn't super conspicuous and they won't come back at you. I've been boxing and learning bits of Martial arts my whole life, and I can tell you, putting someone down is easy as shit. So if you absolutely can't avoid putting them down, do it fast and hard. But if they are challenging you, just blow 'em off, they aren't worth your time.

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