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FOOLISH, DELUSIONAL, NO MAN CAN GET 85% OF WOMEN HE APPROACHES........blah blah blah. REJECTION IS A PART OF PICK UP, DON'T BE AFRAID OF IT< EMBRACE IT! blah blah blah.
This is all the mentality of the pick up monkey, not that of the pick up artist. 85% is more then possible. If you are above average looking and are an artist rather then a pick up monkey. If you are going into an approach with the mind set that it's ok to get rejected, i'll just go up to 10 other girls, eventually one will give in, and even if there isn't one, hey at least I am learning something.
What are you learning, how to get rejected, what type of women will typically reject you? Play the numbers game and yes, you may get laid. Get used to rejection and yes it will not be so bad when it happens. Accept it as a certainty in the art of seduction, and you will NEVER become a true pick up artist.
If you are approaching random women without any reads, or without creating attraction and without having created the image of being a desirable man, then yes, 85% will be impossible.
Seduction is not about approaching random women and attempting to talk their panties off. I't can be a form of it, but this is a recipe to failure. You don't know if the girl is even attracted to you, you don't know if she has a boyfriend, a girlfriend, husband, hates men. Doesn't like your style...etc etc.
Women are emotion based, they wear their hearts on their sleeves, if you know the signs, they will basically pick you up. All you have to do is play the game.
Anyways this is something I feel needs to be addressed. I will be writing a well detailed post explaining how 85% and above is more then possible. I will write it within the next few days, I don't have the time at the moment.
I have had that ratio for years, It's not something anyone can do, but it is very very possible, with the right skill set, style, posture, attitude and looks.
Although I fucking hate posting in this clusterfuck of thread , this is how things are :
First of all what is 85% ?
85% of the women you approach you get to fuck ?
Yes , possible , but unlikely unless some of them are giving you overexertions , which to newbies may seem as cold approaching.
GoodLookingLoser approached 102 women and kept a log and fucked only 16. You can find him on Sleazy's forum.
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TVA claims that he does no more than 4 approaches (nightclub) before pulling a women home.
My magic number is anywhere between 1 and 15.
If I identify DTF women then I am 100% , if not then I get rejected a lot before pulling her out of the club.
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The problem is simple.
UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW TO SPOT OVEREXERTIONS or HORNY WOMEN THEN YOU CAN'T GET 85%.
yo man, thanks for talking about the "study" haha
it was 7, i believe.. 16 would be a lot. id be lucky to bang 16 girls if I approached 200girls. half the chicks we approach ARE NOT sexually available. Not to YOU, not to ME. there's nothing you can do. there's no techniques, witty comeback or ANYTHING you can do.
I've done every style game imaginable. obviously i what teach, i feel works best for guys that want to GET LAID. not dating. not validation game, etc.
it seems that the meaning of "getting the girl" seems to vary from person-to-person.. the definition has changed for me too. At age 17, it meant "she likes me" "she thinks im hot," at age 24 (i was still a pussy) it was "i got her number," today and the past 3.5 it means "banging the sh1t out of her"
it may seem like a matter of semantics perhaps, but I think you are onto something- all the students of the community actually have different goals. Not all of them are actually looking to get laid, most are just looking for a few dates and validation.
all the authorities actually teach different stuff. Some teach "dating" some teach "pickup" and some teach "GETTING LAID".. they are somewhat related, but certainly not the same. The process of GETTING LAID should a quite different agenda than "dating,". One requires courting, dinner, text game, phone game, witty comebacks... the other requires a physical escalation, condom and a pussy. again, different ballgame
this might come as a surprise to most guys that may assume, "wait.. we are all looking "get girls".. aren't we??" that's takes me back to the previous paragraph. "getting girls" probably should mean "SEX" GETTING LAID but it doesn't. going to dinner and paying is "getting the girl" to a lot guys. "getting her number" is "getting the girl" to a lot guys.. eventually you don't need the validation and "dating" stuff gets old.. guys move on and have the SOLE goal of GETTING LAID, and that's when it happens at a high level
sorry, completely disorganized reply
I appreciate you making reference to my at home "clinical" study haha
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