Even if he's fat, short, a complete asshole, and lives with his mom by choice?

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Why did you have to use me as the example (jokes)

I dont get the hip-hop reference, so i am not even going to comment that. But "ALL GIRLS WANT GUYS WITH MONEY"! what? all girls would prefer to have a guy with money but its like a bonus. Just as all guys would like a girl with a perfect figure. The thing is that while those things are great, they can very quikcly be over-run by bad traits. If a girl who is goregous acts like a bitch 24/7 i really dont care how hot she is because its not going to happen. To the same extent, no matter how rich a guy is if he is an ass and has other "bad" quialities then she will soon lose the lure of the money.

The point i am trying to make all through this post is that how attracted you are to someone is a scale, no 1 thing makes it happen. For example lets say 0 is hate and 100 is love. Having a sports car and a privet jet might get you +10, but if you spit out her mums secret recipy because it tastes like crap, kick over the dinner table and punch her dad that will lose you about 50points on the scale. Ofc, thats exteem examples and each girl will rate different things with a different value.

From personal expereience though 90% of attraction comes through flirting, charm, whitt, "alpha-ness" and social status. My looks and money will probably get 10%.

So what does this mean, money looks and power DO effect things but not enough to mean that without them you cant suceed with high value women. I think people forget that not everyone is meant to be a millionair, just as not everyone is meant to be a pro athlete. Rather than looking at what you know you cant do (i am not talking AA, but things that are realisitically not achivable for you) look at what your strengths are and work to highlight them.

Madals

Incredible . . . 8 pages and some of you are still working with "absolutes". . .

Hey old man I see that you didn't answer my question, so I ask ya again. If all we needed was MONEY to GET GIRLS, then why don't we just flash our bank accounts (any guy that is smart with money would have more than one bank account) if money was that big of a factor? I have asked Frame this two times and he has yet to give me an answer and I now have asked you twice with no answer from you.

Some people still don't get that this is not some black and white issue sadly.

This is probably a flaw within the "normal" people who seek PUA. They are looking for a quick fix or that magic line to get women, being told there is only 1 thing you have to work on is a far easier course than saying there are hundreds of things that all contribute. It is an understandable point of view considering a lot of people here come in a state of desperation and want to get it fixed. The interesting point is that all the absolutes presented will help you with women, but you can never be good until you understand that everything contributes.
The hard part of this is people can only improve at a set speed and therefore cant improve at everything at once, so what choice do they have but to look for which is the best improvement for their time.

'high value' does not equal shallow materialist.

Fine, sure all teh hoes in the world can come date me for my money but i'd be the only one getting boned round here. Thats another problem with having excess you can't trust people like you did before cuz you know deep inside you got what they think they want...

Money = Sexy
Fashion = Sexier
Pre-Selection = Sexier than Sexy
Leader of Men = Sexier than Sexier
Protector of Loved Ones = Extremely Sexy

but the most important of all:

Grape = The Sexiest

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Reading the replies I had no idea a "paid MPUA" replied to this thread.

SINN no disrespect to you or your fellow MPUAs teachings, but if money isn't a defining factor in appealing to women or offering a lifestyle which is better or equal to hers then why do YOU charge so much for one to ones and seminars?

I mean surely if money isn't an issue then you would've have problem being paid a Burger King wage of $10 per hour as opposed to $100 per hour

PS: this isn't flaming (Whopper)- its merely a question I've always wanted to ask but been afraid to do so.

Is your name Sinn?

I'd like to think there are no definite rules,
but it seems to me that the mind-sets that gets cash, power, fame, etc. are also the same mind-sets that attract women.

Just a thought.

Power and money and such are symbols of something.
Indicators of a certain set of personality, willpower perhaps.
The more of these things a person has, the more likely that person is to have some other quality which seems to be the underlying reason that person attracts these things.

An extremely relevant question- this requires a relevant answer from a
(I assume) relevant MPUA.

No this isn't a "shit test" merely a question which I will be asking ALL PUA companies via email.

How many replies do you think I'll get...........?

Didn't think so!

Frame, why are you launching at attack agaisnt people who have made a successful business from teaching men who to do better?
You seem to be trying to get 1 up on them or something...

Madals if you are "doing better" with women, then why are you sitting at home posting at 11.30pm when you should be out with "your ladies".

As for "launching an attack" I'm actually asking a simple question about a very obvious point.

Madals I don't know if someone (an MPUA) has told you that "you have hair around your balls"- but quit defending a very obvious point I was making from the very first post.

Guys in the "profession" of PUA live a Jet Set lifestyle, simply because they have the "means" (read Money) to do so.
Which in turns attracts "High Class Females" end of story.

I was working and had to be up early today because i had an appointment.

why argue with you, enjoy your life living by those prospects. I hope your never in a situation where you dont have money and looks.