I'm still new to this, but my first night I went looking to get a number or kiss close was a disaster.

Friday night went to a less popular club (a little quieter music as well) just to test a few openers and I opened 15 sets out of 18. (goal was to open 15 sets then leave had to get up early)

Then Saturday night I go to a popular club, really loud music, lots of young girls my age (18), but I tried to open about 30 sets can got rejected 99% of the time.

I sparked up a conversation with some girl behind me in the line, because I told her to come with me to get cheaper entry (8 guys together needed to break it up) so I spoke to them a little but they would not hook and one was interested in my mate who has a gf.

The only opener that kind of worked was "I would be so into you if I wasn't gay" that got me about 2 mins of conversation and a quick dance with one of the girls.

The biggest issue was that lots of guys were hitting on all the girls so bitch radars were high.
The music was so loud only 1-2 girls could hear me (I was screaming my head off and I am very loud)
so what i found was that the rest of the group would die off and it was almost impossible to engage them.

One group I opened and then tried the best friends test, and they said no and walked off.

Then the rest would just ignore me, or would say something then walk off and stuff.


Any ideas?

should I just try day game more?

Should I give the popular clubs a break, and go to lounges were it is quieter, the only issue is that I prefer a young crowd (seeing I am young) but there are not that many girls that age at these places or pubs.

I am at University (doing engineering = like 4 girls)

I was really hoping all this PUA stuff would work well, but all the girls just took it as being hit on by yet another guy, even though I was alternating between openers, using my own that I perfected to 100% success the night before.

It sounds like your using a lot of canned material directly from The Game bud, an in a hot LZ that is never going to work in your favor. I call a hot LZ any scene where the HB's are constantly getting approached by an endless stream of guys and you see it a lot at campus and university bars. The number one idea that you need to reframe is that you are the exception to the rule. You need to be different and more interesting then all the other guys before you.

One of my favorite openeres is actually right after i see an HB blow out an AFC, and it works like this.

After you see a clear blow out, immediatly approach the girl smiling

"Hey, my friends and I just saw that whole scene go down, please tell me he was creepy. After the 20 minutes he was watching you I thought I was going to have to prevent a kidnapping." (Then laugh)

This sets you up as curious and non-threatening. Most women repsond well to this because they love complaining about men. After you've broken through the bitch shield, escalate your attraction or have her introduce you to her friends and select a new target.

Also in the immortal words of Sinn, if the music is to loud, stop fucking listening lol. If the music is too loud to hear someone speak, then let your kino do the talking.

Hope this helps.

Like this a lot. I have used this before with success. It immediately brings down a girls guard because it doesn't sound at all like you're hitting on her. After brief conversation you can even ask her what would have made her want to talk to him, and bingo-she's telling you how to hit on her successfully.

From here you can tease her about how really she enjoys AFC's hitting on her in the way he did and that you're not going to do it.

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@Darkside-Nothng's wrong if he uses cnned mterial;epecially as a newbie.

We cannot expect Lawrence to have created personal routines and openers as a newbie.

Guys with experience should not be using canned stuff out of the Game.

Anyway,great observational opener;that was awesome.

I might have to use that(lol).

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Cool, thanks darkside.

How does my Kino do the talking with out her thinking I'm hitting on her like every other guy.

One of the things I noted when I used the I'm gay opener, was that the girl said over 50 guys had hit on her that night.

@ k-loc

Now I agreed that new guys (like me) can't be expected to have their own plays, but then again its hard to find success when your using a playbook 6 years old. I love The Game, reading that book changed my life by introducing me to the community, but there is a cost to using the routines portrayed in the book, I just happened to notice it early. I do the majority of my sarging on my campus at bars and fraternity parties. A few months ago when I first started out, I was using the best-friends test and the mystery kiss close (which is brilliant). Things were positively progressing until I got called out for using The Cube. The HB had read the game and even done online research to know how to defuse pick up so from the second I asked her how big her ladder was, I was fucked.

I'm for canned material. I think that being prepared for a potentially sexual encounter with stories and routines is perfectly ok, don't you have prepared responses for interview questions? I'm just saying Lawrence to be careful when using lines from The Game. Women are smart, and if they read, dangerous

[quote="Darkside2013"]@ k-loc

Now I agreed that new guys (like me) can't be expected to have their own plays, but then again its hard to find success when your using a playbook 6 years old. I love The Game, reading that book changed my life by introducing me to the community, but there is a cost to using the routines portrayed in the book, I just happened to notice it early. I do the majority of my sarging on my campus at bars and fraternity parties. A few months ago when I first started out, I was using the best-friends test and the mystery kiss close (which is brilliant). Things were positively progressing until I got called out for using The Cube. The HB had read the game and even done online research to know how to defuse pick up so from the second I asked her how big her ladder was, I was fucked.

I'm for canned material. I think that being prepared for a potentially sexual encounter with stories and routines is perfectly ok, don't you have prepared responses for interview questions? I'm just saying Lawrence to be careful when using lines from The Game. Women are smart, and if they read, dangerous [/quote]

Darkside. Search for my topic on "Kokology". The Cube is a Kokology game.
There are literally hundreds of these, some much better than the cube.

@Darkside-Wow(lol),got called out for the cube!

Well,the thing about canned routines is that I always put my own twits to them.

I cant recall ever using canned routines word for word.

@Erebus-Totally right about that.

Last few times I'd used the cube,I substitute the original objects for other objects.

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