Last night I felt I had reverted back to a total AFC because I couldn't manage 1 approach.

This was my 2nd time clubbing and this club we were at was cramped to the max and you had to really squeeze past people to get anywhere but the place had HB9s and 10s and the occasional fat chick you find dancing on podiums LOL

More to the point, how the fuck do you approach in loud clubs? I'm a good looking guy and I usually receive IOIs from girls giving me approach invitations but absolutely none last night :/ I dressed and looked the same the same night I got the IOIs so I don't understand.

There were a few fights in the place and I could have used that as an opener asking a girl if they saw that fight blah blah. But all the girls are dancing and coming up to them and asking if they saw that fight outside while they are in the groove just doesn't add up to me.

Heres the confidence destroyer here - I saw this natural take a girl by the hand and I thought they were going to the bar but no, he takes her to a quiet area in the corner and begins making out with her as soon as she sat on his lap. After that all the confidence I had coming there tonight had drained away. How do these guys do it???

I even found myself sitting on the side with my friend just eyeing up the place looking like the biggest predators and losers there. I had lost all faith in myself and I realised i was in the lowest status position but I didn't care at that point.

Started dancing and I just didn't enjoy it, usually have a smile on my face when walking round but that had faded.

I didn't feel I learnt anything from this night, except for the fact that its virtually impossible to pick up but I see this natural do it and wonder how. and I think I have taken 2 steps back in my self improvement. I kinda have lost a lot of the belief I had in myself to improve my game and improve myself in general but this was a real blow to me.

If any of you guys have been in a similar situation to me and have come out better I would really love to hear it, I could do with hearing something which can motivate me right now, I've never felt this down during my time in the game.

Thanks guys

chin up mate. In my opinion picking up at these loud dance clubs is one of the most challenging locations, communicating can be near impossible at times and in my experience these types of clubs seem to have a high guy:girl ratio, thus the ladies get in the groove of knocking back AFCs all night, and can afford to be very choosy thus you must be on your A game (especially with the opener) if you are to succeed.

When I'm sarging I try to stay away from these locations, whilst it is definitely possible to pick up at a dance club, there are just so many quieter more pick-up friendly clubs/bars out there. I keep the loud dance orientated clubs for big sarge-free nights with mates. Or try sarge the quiet locations of the club; smoking area, near the bar etc.

Maybe the natural who grabbed that chick off the d floor and started making out with her straight away was her bf? If not then props to him.

Before you go out sarging next time u need to build up your confidence mate, remember you're a 10, you're the catch not her, be fun and enjoy yourself.

the only real way to move foward is to learn to deal with dissapointment and get back out there, girls will pick up on your non needyness the more times you accept that even after ten great nights one crap night might be on its way and thats o.k .
You might get a better opener or routine or whatever but under it will still be the inability to handle dissapointments that well and that might only be a sht test away,one helpful thing is to try and avoid giving yourself any critisizim untill your at home not infield watching others as most times it dosent help you and guys end up silently beating themselves up, if a boxer did it hed drop his gloves and lose.
It was one night so get out there and push on.

Hey man,

You have to look at the fact that you can't always win. An athlete, a chest grand master, a video gamer and even an MPUA must accept this. It's not wise to attach access meaning to a single failure. To do so is to dishonor yourself and your prior achievements.


But I would also add that as soon as you were starting to feel that you were losing it and your status dropping you should have moved venues (preferably to a more quite one of course). It's unhealthy to let the bad emotions soak in without finding a solution to fix it.

Game on!

Hey GD,

Looks to me like you kind of having issues with the approach thingy and when you look at some other guy - you can get influenced by his success. Sounds to me like you need to review the basics of NightGame.

Basics (in my opinion)

• - Nightgame isn't about conversational skills, it's about body language, attitude and direct behaviour.
  - One doubt you get, your mood is off, stay in the mood. Keep approaching sets, a failure doesn't exist, it's what makes you more motivated.
  - Night is even playground - every guy starts with the same level of "dominance" when he enters the club.
  - Every girl is on the same playfield - there is no hot, there is no fat, it are just girls. The more you open sets, the more you get into that state of mind which is required.
  - Don't go out to sarge for girls, go out to have fun WHILE sarging for girls, but the main objective is to have fun.
  - Dominance & confidence is required during nightgame. Not sweetness & conversational skills.

Good luck, remember these few items.

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Clubs are my weak point it's way too loud, way too busy and results always vary. so I never open I let my friends do that as i wait for my cue to move in lol.

On a serious note, EVERY night i go out i do not go looking to close or even talk to a girl. I go out with my friends to have a good time anything that happens in addition to that is just a bonus. You don't want to stress yourself feeling you HAVE to close with anything in arms reach as the night drags on.

Game has to come naturally and has to flow, you can't force a routine and you definitely cannot show weakness. If you use routines practice them over and over till they become second hand to you. I think the objective to talking up a good game is that you talk even before you can think of what you are talking about. It usually helps when your responses are instinctively and without a moments hesitation (unless that is part of you ploy).

i agree club gaming is shit... i HATE it, i can pick up just about ANY girl during the day, but loud clubs are gay, even if i get to the hook point... there is just not much of a reason to stick around, standing around talking is very strange to me. and then i end up losing my voice bc im screaming all night...

I dont do night game, and when i do, its not at loud, packed clubs... the only times i got to clubs is with girls i already know for a night of dancing, groping, and making out

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If you get and IOI from a pair dancing or proximity, you enter in between, then use a gentle splitting move and seperate them, they like you, they start dancing and looking at you. you learn back enjoy, then point indicating you're scooching in. you get right in between, pull the girl in front of you and start swerving with them, now you have two options. you pretend like you're screening both then give interest to whoever shows you the strongest IOI and escalate, or you can dance and do your thing while trying to catch girls staring at you at which point you can approach prime, then bounce and approach warm with value. or if you get IOIs randomly, approach prime and hit it warm, that's ideal. no stupid lines, no funky fake conversation.

Examples of flash game pickup:

You don't look like you're from around here / YOu look like a college student.
Let me see your hand (put your hand up to hers to see who has bigger hand), wrap your fingers over her finger then say aww cute your hands are cute. (throw hands back down)

Termination: I actually have to go meet some friends, I want to see you later (look of 110% intent/passionate love) Trade numbers, MAKE SURE YOU ENTER YOUR FIRST AND LAST into her phone, and get her first and last. Then say, I'm calling you ---day afternoon. Then call her sunday afternoon and plan happy hour that night.

First and last names get you so much leverage. No answers or you sense she is uncomfortable with not really knowing who you are, facebook add, then text. Let her do some research on ya then you can call again. Also, she will take a first and last name call with drastically higher frequency vs a "Asian Mike - Bar."

If you felt the fate and love body language, you call. Your phone call is not high powered, you pretend like your buddy just called you and asked what's up. If you're driving you say you're driving, ask about the weekend, easy stuff. Talk about a favorite meal you just had"
If you felt your moments together were casual, you text. If you felt fate, you want to pick her up for the date and tell her to drop you her address so you can get her -pm. if you were casual tell her to meet you ___ or she meets you with her friend, whatever.

Dating skills at this point, no more hard details, but you want to hold hands, cuddle a little and best case scenario kiss close, even better dirty talk a little. Best way to initiate dirty talk, "I just had a dirty little thought about you" guage expression and proceed. If you sense general discomfort and you know the girls down to drink, you say gotta use the bathroom, use, then show up with two shots and say these are my favorite shots in the whole wide world! she'd be rude to refuse

I always try to pick the girl up, because the F- close is so incredibly simple. Assuming you atleast held hands and cuddled a little during the date, while driving her back, say "i actually really gotta go to the bathroom can i use yours? Cool." She starts talking about how dirty her place is, you'll get her naked. Eventually, you'll know exactly if you're getting laid or not when you get out of the bathroom. There are two divergent responses from the girl here and is super obvious. Either she blocks the doorway to her bedroom...or she doesn't!

Hope you practiced your LMR!