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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:33 am 
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This is the BACKSTORY. It will give you some context, but is not entirely necessary for comprehending the situation. Skip down below the second dashed line to get to the meat.

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So there's this girl. She is a year older than me, it's her first year in college, and we went to the same high school. She's cool. She's hot. We'll call her Poodle.

One of my good friends, who also graduated from the same high school, (which btw is small - containing around 90 people), is very close to her, in a "nice guy" friendship with her. We'll call him Whiteboy.

Anyways, Poodle is back in town for winter break and Whiteboy has been wanting to hang out with me for awhile. After spending most of New Year's Eve elsewhere, I left after midnight to go find Whiteboy who happened to be at a party at Poodle's house. Whiteboy was completely hammered (his first time) and everyone else was a little tipsy.

I enjoyed the night meeting Poodle's friends (guys who were tight as hell, and viewed her more like a sister than anything) and had a great time. Once we had enough fun, Whiteboy and I were asked to stay the night there, in case we get pulled over by cops patrolling the streets on New Year.

It was about 2:30 am and we all went to her basement to sleep. Me and two of the guys laid down on some of the separate beds and mattresses down there while Poodle guided disoriented Whiteboy to a couch on the other side of the room.

The two other guys fell asleep. And Poodle stayed up with Whiteboy making sure he got some water to drink and that he knew where the bucket was in case he needed to puke. She was up for another hour, making sure her best friend was alright.

For some reason, I found her caring attitude sexy as hell. Anyways, when I had talked with her several months before, I was indirect and didn't get any results.

Probably because I had been listening to RSD Flawless Natural a few days before, I was pumped up with the "fury" and wanted to go in stronger this time. I didn't care if it failed or not, I was just fed up with falling flat on my face when I was nice around her.

Neither of us could sleep, so with the lights out, I decided to text her and have her come to my side of the room where we could keep each other company.

I was the only one laying down on a two person bed, and she was laying on a small couch completely covering it, and she was in a more open section of the basement that could lead to us waking the others. If we were going to talk, the bed was the only option.

A final thing to note before giving you the text messages. She is really feminine and flirty, has a wild personality, and does not sleep around. She also plays extremely hard to get. (I LOVE a challenge) A numerous amount of guys talk to her, but I think she has had only two boyfriends (both for a brief period). And the farthest she has gone as far as I know, is kissing. (Whiteboy has confirmed this with me a few times)

This actually not a bad thing for me because I view her as someone who I would want to have a meaningful relationship and as weird as this might sound here, one who would potentially make an awesome wife. (WHAT?? A PUA never talks about the "W" word!!!) In light of this, it's a huge plus for me that she hasn't been giving it out left and right.
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Anyways here is our text conversation. Please let me know what I could have done better.

XxBAMFxX: Hey are you still up?

Poodle: Obv I'm taking care of drunk Whiteboy

XxBAMFxX: I can't fall asleep. I need a bed time story

Poodle: Haha go to sleep XxBAMFxX

XxBAMFxX: I need my story NOW

Poodle: Haha I'm in bed now

XxBAMFxX: Yea I know. What does that have to do with my story?

Poodle: Haha Whiteboy got sooooo drunk tonight

XxBAMFxX: Poodle I am bored and you're not helping.

Poodle: And I'm tired it's 3 30 am How r u not tired. Whiteboy's sleeping right?
Ha if I knew you were a drinker, I would have invited you to (college) a long time ago.
So I hear everyone thinks I'm a slut now huh?

XxBAMFxX: Why do you care what people think

Poodle: So they do think that haha that's funny. I don't sleep around, so u can pass that around.

XxBAMFxX: Texting back and forth like this is dumb. Come over here and we'll talk

Poodle: Sleeping night

........ later that day when she woke up in the afternoon, Whiteboy and were already out of there hanging out at his house. I texted her "What's up sleepyhead" and she didn't reply.

Assuming you know something about how to build attraction with a strong feminine woman, it would be great if you gave me an analysis of the way I handled her responses in the texts.

Also that morning her parents told me that she had moved upstairs to her bedroom in the middle of the night. I'm guessing this was after Whiteboy was asleep. In retrospect as I type this, I realize that when she said "I'm in bed now" she probably meant that she was literally in her bedroom. I didn't know this at the time.

So please give me an analysis of my text conversation, and if you are feeling really brave, give me some advice on what I can do to clear up this mess up.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:53 am 
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looks like you came on a bit strong, try being a bit more challenging, like you said she's got guys chatting to her all the time


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Lmao you dont see it at all?!?! You just called her a straight up slut bro. She said people think shes a slut and you said " Why do you care about what people think? " That is straight up implying that you want her to come to your side of the room because you think she is a slut and that she sleeps around.

She got the impression that you just wanted to get into her pants that night since everyone was passed out drunk so she didnt want to come talk in person. At least thats the way I see it. Correct me if I'm wrong


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:52 am 
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Looks to me a FU report. FU big time! :lol:

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Lmao you dont see it at all?!?! You just called her a straight up slut bro. She said people think shes a slut and you said " Why do you care about what people think? " That is straight up implying that you want her to come to your side of the room because you think she is a slut and that she sleeps around.

She got the impression that you just wanted to get into her pants that night since everyone was passed out drunk so she didnt want to come talk in person. At least thats the way I see it. Correct me if I'm wrong


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Haha thanks for the honesty! The reason I didn't want to say "no you're not a slut" is because that would be really needy.

What do you think I should have said instead?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:52 pm 
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You were too needy man. She doesn't seem interested in you as dating material either. I'm not saying that couldn't change, but she was giving you major IODs with those text messages. She told you to "go to sleep" which is basically saying "leave me alone", she changed the subject for a moment because you were too persistent in your bedtime story topic. I would have taken her "everyone thinks I'm a slut" comment as her assuming you wanted her to come be by you so you could sleep with her. Then you confirmed by saying "what do you care what people think".

You were coming in to her world bro. She had what, 3 other guys there that night that were giving her attention (it seemed almost impossible to isolate in this situation). And I can assure you, they don't consider her a "sister" unless they are gay. They are playing the same game you are, they are just doing it as AFC's. You need to bring her in to YOUR world ideally, because this girl is used to all the attention, and it probably won't happen when she is in control. Remember, she is just one girl, don't get hung-up on her. You need to have options just like she does to be considered datable in her eyes. Basically just get her in a situation you control, show her you have value by bringing her around your friends (assuming they respect you), and make sure she knows you have other options in females (have them call when you are with her and maybe set up a date when she is listening). This MIGHT create an attraction towards you, if it isn't too late. Good luck man!


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On the situation you described: nice try getting her to your side of the room, but next time leave out the bedtime story stuff. You framed yourself as an annoying boy trying to get in her pants.

I would have walked over and grabbed her hand. This is the only technique I use to isolate girls. Grab hand, walk.

I never try to talk a girl into anything. I actually try to talk them OUT of things. "I'm tired leave me alone" would have been better than what you said... even if she never texted you in the first place.

You have to control the frame. She's chasing you. You;re fighting off other girls. Why are all these girls texting you to hang out at night? (even if they aren't). Can you tell this girl I'm not interested (when you get a call from a chick) etc.

Players get laid. Average guys who do the same shit as other average guys get nothing, unless the girl is already into them.

HTH


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Thank you for the advice guys. BigRyana, you made some good points and I am still confused about the situation.

Really what pisses me off is all of the different types of material out there which seem to conflict against each other, yet all claim to be an effective method to deal with women.

I guess I should have seen the "everyone thinks I am slut" as her way of trying to find out what I want, but I guess I didn't think clearly as I should have.

I THOUGHT that it was simply a shit test that she wanted to use to see if I was confident or if I would kiss her ass.

At the time, I THOUGHT saying "Why do you care about what people think" was a good way to challenge her, but I didn't think about the blatant implications of what I was saying.

But I mean, wasn't that better than saying something like "oh no I don't think you're a slut" and being an AFC?

How do you treat a woman as an alpha and in a way that lets her know you are the alpha? I thought that more feminine a woman is, the more she is attracted to strong masculine energy


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For the "everyone saying im a slut" thing, you could have said: "I havnt heard anyone say that" or "No one said that" etc, so you wernt supplicating, but you lowering her asd.


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