So the truth is i was always afraid of talking to girl, especially good looking ones. I have been trying more recently, and i captured the interest of a group of these girls at lunch by showing magic tricks and thus demonstrating value. I believed i had demonstrated enough value and stopped showing magic, because they all seemed kinda interested in me. Then after that i few days later some other hbs joined in at lunch. In general, i dont know how to start and carry a conversation with girls and dont know what to do, so i just end up sitting there looking stupid while they talk amongst themselves. eventually these girls stopped liking me and told me to go away, and other that number closing one of them i didnt really get any of these girls. i also have a hard time coming up with negs that arent too insulting and turn the girl off.

someone please give me advice.

I'm still new at this but you can always go with "how do you guys know each other". If you have hard time making something up, try to be a good listener, pay attention to what they're saying and then try to steer the conversation into something that interests you.
Sometimes I find it easier to deal with groups of people because you can leech off of their topics.
Also I think it's very important to remember things you talked about so you have something to say next time.

There is this girl at this fast food joint where I go from time to time and even though I'm not trying to pick her up or anything I try to practice with her. Before I've heard about PUA I would just go there and never tried to talk to her. Then one day I just said "You look tired, long day at work huh?" and I was in! we talked about work and stuff, I learned where she hangs out and such. I'm still not very good listener and I forgot many things we talked about, but next time I went there I was like "you look in much better mood today" and again I was in. It was obvious to her that I remembered something from our last conversation and there was an immediate connection. Now I know she's interested in bartending, I gave her my opinion on bartending classes and next time I can always ask her something related to it.

I hope someone with more experience can give us some insight but I think it's very important to pay attention to details, remember what she's saying and show her that it wasn't just a random small talk people do every day without thinking about it or remembering.

thank you very much for this response. i tried your ideas out and they really help. in fact i did some more research on carrying conversations with girls and what you described is actually a technique called vibing. its where you listen to what a girl is saying and keep a conversation going by sort of piggy backing off the topic she (or the group) is talking about and sending out confident and sexual vibes by nonverbal subcommunications (i havnt really figured that part out yet). but yea even though your new to this game like me your advice really helped.

Also,about this conversation problem you have:Just go to random ppl (Guys and girls) and open-transition attaract and leave.

In some weeks you will be able to speak Nonestop.

The problem is in your Inner game.You are not confident,and feel very insecure.Try stop givin a fuk,and say what you want to say in ordeer to have a normal conversation.When your goal is a phone number,you get nervus and mess up(and its needy)

By the way,The game is good to introduce you into the world of venusian arts,but it sucks as learning matterial.Get yourself a good book about pick up and you will see diffrences

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