So for the background info go here
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So the party went well, it was an interesting night to say the least. I did a lot of kino, and she responded well to it, but didnt quite return any (which isnt much of a problem because i can tell she's def attracted).

So i'll cover the events i remember the most:

first off i wanna state that i DO NOT drink, which always makes things interesting and works in my favor (it drives girls crazy as they try to get me drunk, and its a for of DHV (i do it bc i bodybuild))...

Ok so first, the whole night she was open to me and there was def attraction, but there was an interesting tidbit... She also invited 2 of her exboyfriends to the party. Now when the first one came i didnt know it was the ex, i actually thought it was the BF. So i let things go and talked to many people you know, ran sets, which was great cuz i mostly came here to have fun and meet people. Which worked great cuz i met this really cute french girl (HB9), and i hit it off with her most of the night since she didnt know anyone there and was alone from time to time...

Now as things go on, i make friends with many people, establish my alphaness with the other men, and disarm the (ex)boyfriend (make friends, etc...). I also flirt with this other girl for a while (HB 8.2) (but didnt close with her at the end of the night, which doesnt matter much cuz im sure ill see her again, this is why i like network gaming).

Anyways, later i come across birthday girl who is in the hallway alone texting for a bit, i put my hand around her waist and ask her if shes having a good time. She replies that she is, and the points out to me the guy who i thought was her bf (tall guy about 6,4, with a blue shirt), she tells me that hes her ex. To which i replied "oh hes your ex? i thought he was your bf?" she tells me: "no, no. Hes my EX, just my ex, im single currently" and then proceeds to tell me how shes trying to get him hooked up with a friend of hers, and that so far its a failure as there is no attraction on either side, asking me for advice... i just tell her that if there is no attraction, perhaps she should try hooking him up with another girl, but she was a bit drunk and stubborn by now and kept repeating that she wanted him with her friend, and then tells me that her ex is a bit peculiar (which based on the way she had said it made it sound to me like hes still into her, and based on the way he hung around her that night and did everything she asked (helped with food, bringing things, etc...), confirmed that exbf tallguy was an AFC). While this whole talk is going on, im doing tons of playful kino, and getting really close to her, but didnt go further because i also had interest in the french girl, so no k-close that night for future reference. Now here is where i wanna point out a bit of a sticking point i had: i found it quite difficult to build attraction to the point of making her hot and horny, i wasnt sure on how to play it out... that is another reason why i didnt escalate too much, i couldnt SEXUALIZE the situation, without it being a stiff and awkward transition...

So our convo gets interrupted anyways, new guest, she tells me that its her other exbf and that she wasnt sure about what to do because she said she "didnt want gossip."
So the other exbf comes through the door and we have our intros, and i swear, this guy... he looked like the chubby lead singer from fall out boy, except with a neckbeard, i honestly still dont believe hes really her exbf. So we have exbf "tallguy" who has a bit of a beer belly, and exbf "falloutboy," i dont mean to be a dick, but this girl can do better than this (i would say shes an 8.5-8.9). i mean neither is ugly, but really...

well anyways after the intros i leave the two of them alone and go back to talking to people and eventually the cute french girl again, now what i found interesting was the following: even though falloutboy is her ex, it seemed to me like more than that, she was holding hands with him, and even pecked him on the lips a couple times... i continue to talk to the french girl and open up to one of birthday girls roomie's (a smoking hot HB10), ill keep her in mind for the future, as gaming both simultaneously would be risky, so i simply built a bit of rapport throughout the night, and left it there. Eventually cute french girl tells me that birthday girl and falloutboy where talking about me, and sure enough they were, shes talking into his ear, and pointing at me, while making eye contact with me. so i laugh, and tell french girl that i would be back, i wanted to have fun. So i approach them both, put my arms around the two of them and say "So whats up! You guys talking bout me?" in a cocky/funny matter... birthday girl tells me they were talking about how i dont drink and how shes been trying to get to do so all night (seemed like a lie to me but w/e), falloutboy follows by asking me why i dont drink, i answer like i always do, by mentioning how im dedicated to what i do, and how i bodybuild, then i playfully flex my bisep and let both of them feel. Falloutboy comments on how he has no muscles in his body (really, guy?? youre gonna dlv yourself to your competition??). I then ask falloutboy his name again, bc i honestly forgot it, and then give him a silly nickname based on it, and give him a pat on the back, to which birthdaygirl laughed hysterically.

So then excuse myself and leave the two again, and go back to the french girl who was alone again. I spend the rest of the night, talking to frenchie, and making friends with all of birthdaygirl's roommates and friends, including HB10. Falloutboy leaves and then Birthdaygirl disappears for the night, i leave with french girl a bit early as we both had plans the next day, and we were both walking home. The next day i get a text from birthdaygirl, thanking me for coming to her party and blah, blah, useless fluff stuff...

So i learned a few things last night:
-first i finally made up my mind in that i REALLY wanna get into birthdaygirl's pants now, i was getting buyer's remorse as it was getting too easy, but after seeing her with her friends in a more natural EVR, i found her more attractive, plus she looked really hot that night. To quote nickelback, "i really wanna hear the sound she makes the second she's done"
-second i noticed that im becoming really good at managing these social situations, i demonstrated a lot of value, and things got even easier once people started getting drunk, i ran circles around them...
-third i got to know birthdaygirl a lot better now, and have a better idea of how to get her into bed
-fourth i confirmed that not drinking drives girls insane... they will go to great lengths to get you to drink/or drunk, this is the second time its happened like this, first with my colleage from london, who quite literally said "if you were drunk we would be having sex right now" (ive mentioned her in another of my threads, shes currently in my friend zone, and in the palm of my hand)
-lastly i learned some of my sticking points which i analyzed, and somewhat figured how to fix em...

now for the advice:

i mentioned my main sticking point was that i had trouble sexualizing the convo, i mean really escalating into the kiss smoothly, i just got stuck at that point, im sure i could have done it, because she was responding well to my kino, but i felt i hadnt escalated enough yet... she didnt seem horny yet... i know this will be a recurring problem in the future if i dont fix it...

anyways i will post back with more info as things go on, i will lay this chick, also what do you guys think about the ex thing? it felt like a jealousy game to me, not sure WHO she was trying to play with though (me or tallguy) either was, i assumed it was aimed at me and acted accordingly, which worked in my favor either way...

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Nice Field Report Manly Spirit;I couldnt find a flaw in your social gaming.

As far a phase shifting to the sexual,I it just happens,at least for me.

Whenever I actively try raising a girl's buying temperature an get her horny,it'd bacc fire on me and fall flat.

So the sexual vibe isnt to be planned;just let it happen then it'd flow smoother.

Lol,I like how you amog'd the falloutboy and taped him on his back(lol);very powerful subtle move.

And another aspect of your game I like is that you never rush to game girl you'd most likely see or meet again.

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Nice, thanks for the props, its nice to know when you are headed in the right direction.

Yeah i like to play it somewhat slow, when it comes to game, theres no need to rush, theres plenty of me to go around... haha

as for the sexual vibe, thats what i had figured that night... its just i kinda got locked in my head a bit. I've read alot on the gunwich method, and he talks alot about letting your sexual nature come from the inside and projecting it, im sure it wont be a prob next time i go out with Bday girl

also what do you think about the exbf thing? i asked my roommate about it too and she said she had no clue as to why she would act that way. Like i said, to me it seemed like a possible jealousy game, not sure to whom it was aimed at though. I wouldnt see WHY she would need to try that on me yet... It could just be that she legitimately has feelings for falloutboy as well, i know girls tend to like multiple guys at once, if thats the case, theres not much to worry about, i have em both beat... besides she DID verbalize that she was single, and thats all i need

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Hi man!

Nice report! Nice work as well, great socially.

But i do have a few remarks, first being: Drop the unnecessary PU bullshit like 'building attraction', amoging, dhv etc. You dont need it, the point where you are, its to technical for you to still work. Consider yourself past that. It will keep your focus on things that really matter.

Secondly, things that really matter. You went in there and your goals was... what exactly? Did you knew that on your way in? Did you had a clear view of what it really was what you wanted? Because from what i read, i have this feeling you thought: i am going to ATTEMPT to sleep with this girl. Then your mindset (for some reason that is discussable) you changed your mindset and it turned to: showing value. Being the cool 'alpha' guy.

You did a wonderful job as cool 'alpha' guy. You had your mind on that and it worked fantastically. But it didnt get you laid. this is the important part: know what it is you want, then go get it regardless what. .

Basically, this is the way is see it (what happened): you enter. You play your target. You encounter another beauty, you wanna do her as well, so lets be the cool guy. You meet another hottie, you want her as well, so lets be more cool. Oh, i assume my original target has a bf, but you are unsure, so... so...???.. lets be more the cool alpha guy. at this point, you already forgot what your original goal was.

you see what has gone wrong? It is not the fact that you want to do the three of them. the point is that you let go of your goals as soon as you see another goal because you fear you wont have another chance later. Which is bullshit.

this is how i see it : you enter, you want sex with b-day girl. You see another hotty, you talk, get her number for later, because, you want to have sex with b-day girl. You see another hotty.... hmm, she is keeping you away from b-day girl. You go to b-day girl and you assume she has a bf again. Your thought here should be: i still want to have sex with her, so lets find out if she wants sex, whether or not she has a boyfriend. Other girls later, this one tonight. No go? other girl.

you get the point. Know what you want, then go get it.

a final point: how to sexualize the situation. You can turn up the heat verbally while touching non sexual area's. Works good. flirt, turn up the heat in the flirt.

But there is this type of guy wandering around, thinking to be PUA but still preferring the easy way, so they get touchy, going for sensitive areas like ass, between legs, breasts etc. IMO this is not turning up the heat, this is going for sexual harassment. and its not very effective.

If you want to turn up the heat, doing a lot of touching (like you said you did), you need to get more intimite, go for the kiss. You didnt want to kiss close because of the other potential targets. Bullshit. some of the other targets will mind seeing you do another girl, others wont. But hte most important things stays your goal. So you kiss her. after a moment of kissing, then you can turn up the heat and going slowly for more sensitive areas. isolate, turn up the heat. If there is resistance, do a step back, kiss and start over again.

Dont forget though, find the balance between completing your goals, and leave some space for her to breathe .

about the ex: you dont know what it is she wanted. you cant look into her mind. and tbh, it doesnt really matter. there is only one way to find out if she wants what you want, and i am sure you already know what that is .

good luck amigo!

ciao

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Wow,jedi-mind stuff there from LD.

I agree with you totally LD but the dropping the negs & amoging stuff Im a bit in disagreeance with.

To me,it seems like ManlySpirit was totally calibrated with the alpha/social guy persona.

If he wsnt calibrating and seems un-natural:then drop it.

Oh yea,I forgot to chime in on the bf thing:I do think it was a jealousy -plot thing on her part.

But not sure whom she tried to make jealous.

I've always heard of the Gunwitch method for years and I finally read online and wanted to give it a shot.

Im an total advocate of indirect game so direct sex' vibes like Gunwitch's makes me a lot uncomfortable(lol).

Hey once again LD,that's some jedi- stuff you're breaking down for us;Im literally taking notes.

Im the social fun guy;thats the style I've adopted but over past years,I've notice this persona isnt getting me laid.

I am getting way more interractions,#'s,etc.but Im not laying anything at the end of the night(lmao).

Seems like when I had the more laid bacc-alpha attitude,I got laid more.

And thanks to you LD,I now know why(lol).

I'd enter a venue with a specific target in mind & sight,I'd engage her,then my wanting to be the most social guy would have me abandon the initial target,and that cycle continues until Im going home alone.

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wow, great post LD

i seriously read it, let it sink in overnight, and read it again this morning

but i do wanna point out all the DHV and negging ans whatnot wasnt forced, i just say what i did based on the terms, but i didnt plan to do those things, its just the way they turn out, i capitalize on opportunities, like when bday girl was talking about me to falloutboy...

another thing i wanna point out is i only had one opportunity to approach bday girl when she was alone, that was one i mentioned. now i didnt ignore her the whole night or anything, rather contrary, she didnt know most of her guests, and vice versa, so when people would ask me whose birthday it was i would pull her to me, by the waist or wrist and introduce her if she was nearby, but other than that, if she was with one of the two exbfs, i would generally leave her alone. I wasnt about to chasing after her the whole party, it never works for me.

so like i said, i only had one good opportunity and thats where i got stuck. Now that night wasnt a total failure because it was the first time i had a lot of serious kino (nothing sexual, but no longer the elbow, hair, w/e). First time i went out with her, i played it rather safe, i mean we still had kino, but nothing too personal, just very simple by the book stuff. So that night i was able to escalate with her and thats better than nothing

But i do agree with you in that i have to be more concrete with my goals. You are right going to her party my goal was indeed to ATTEMPT sleeping with her. So i did shift my goals, but it was mostly to not come across as a love-struck needy AFC, i gave her her breathing space, and let her come to me when she did. Besides i have found that girls hate competition, and they will work ALOT harder to earn the attention of a guy who is swarmed by women. Nontheless, i recognize that THAT was one of my sticking points tht night, that and that my intentions were larger than my actions that night. Those are two things i gotta keep reminding myself.

@k-loc

yeah i too am a social PUA, i play the social scene, i can build rapport and comfort with strangers like a pro (well almost haha), but you are right, its not getting me laid, i gotta shift my phase a bit and be a bit more sexual/seductive, but step by step ill get there

anyways thanks for the feedback guys

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Salut!

LD, I just wated to say that your post is something which we forget constantly but I really think that ManlySpirit did a great job. If you make a list of what did he do, step by step, it is the right thing to do.

What he did? Get to know BDgirl a lot more, #close another girl, meet another one... just notice that if he k-closed at the party any of these, it will ruin his chances with the other two - BDgirl invited these girls to a party, it means that they know each other. Think about goals in a long-term view, not in short!

And I have to disagree about one more thing, he didn't replace one goal with another, he added two goals to the list. Now he can work with three girls, HB8-10's instead of one. Plus, he did really show the BDgirl the contrast between him and her two ex.

I am strongly for the "Close at Day 3" idea so I can see only pros from this FR.

Keep it up!

Salut!

Surielx.

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@ k-loc: hi man! i am not really telling that you should drop amoging and negging and so on. If you do it, it doesnt make you any less of a man or something. they are techniques. I meant it more like: dont think about amoging or negging. Dont think in ways of: i am going to neg you so hard so i can 'build attraction' (i do have something with building attraction, but that is totally personally. cant explain). Still, good point i think.

for seduction/pick up, think larger, i think you should think in bigger concepts, like what it really is you want and go for it! that in itself is a lot more alpha then negging the crap out of a girl. Still being there after a girl has put you down in a not so friendly way (you know, trying to make a fool out of you), that is alpha. Yeah, it stings when it happens, but you still want to fuck her.

If indirect is not your thing, then it is not your thing. Just know one thing: whether it be direct or indirect, at a certain point you will have to show your true intentions or you will miss the opportunity .

@Surielx: hi man! yeah, indeed, i agree, if you list what did happen, he did a great job. I also have to say that i partially agree on the kiss close, to put it that way. You are right, there would be girls out there who would not give him a shot, because of the kiss close. But there are as many girls out there who still would give him a chance. i would have gone for it, going with the motto: better one fuck and two who dont like me, then two who like me and not fucking at all . But i guess it is up to you. perhaps things will change, and i will change my mind. no biggy

I think you made a good point with the adding goals.


@ManlySpirit: hi man. ok, sorry, i misinterpreted.

Still, i would have gone through, not minding the ex boyfriends actually. But I must admit, its easy to talk for me, at that time, you did not have a clue what the status really was and who those guys were.

Oh, still, good job and i wish you luck!

ciao!

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Ok, so i got a bit of an update not much has happened, but i should be back with a few more results by next week.

so first with bday girl (now to be referred to as HBLa)
-not much, havent seen her outside of one class, and i had a bit of text game, nothing much, she will be out of town for the weekend and is studying for her FCE (an english exam), i told her would help her study if she cooked for me in exchange. And she had mentioned that Salamanca (her hometown, and where she is going for the weekend) is very beautiful and i should go sometime, i told her i would like to go, but she would have to take me to show me around the city, she said she would. Now this is all nice and stuff, but i dont see it happening until i have a day 3 to properly escalate, its tough to escalate at work without crossing the line, as it IS a "professional" environment. So i gotta make sure i set up a solid day 3, have put put ideas out there but havent asked her to anything, as shes gone for the next few days. Still im gonna go cold for a few days after she gets back, i dont wanna come off as needy.

next the french girl from the party (now known as HBEm)
-She asked ME out, sent me a facebook message saying she wants to go eat Indian food (i think i mentioned something at the party about spicy foods), and what i was doing for the weekend, if i was gonna be in town or not (as it is a holiday here). Im setting up plans, thinking about doing a group thing on fri, for food, maybe a club (not sure if wanna club, i hate smoke), and then a solid day 2 on sunday at this event thats going on then. Shes def interested.

now the english girl from work (now known as HBAn)
-Not sure whats up with her, shes seems to be going cold since i friendzoned her. So i invited her to and event on Tuesday, and she agreed, i may need to turn up the attraction again with her and seeing how things go. If it all goes to shit then oh well. It kinda was a bit my fault since i got so focused on HBLa that i forgot to calibrate with HBAn, but its for the better bc i was starting to get oneitis for HBAn since i HAVE to see her every day. Although I already K-closed her a long time ago. Still we will see, at least the oneitis is gone.

lastly i will add one more to the list this is a shy student of mine a HB8.5, we will call her HBNo
-I did the usuall 3 classes and number close with a day2, and she was up for it and excited about it, but she flaked. I was gonna blow her off, but as luck would have her i ended up with a class with her the monday after, it worked out alright, and she seemed to really enjoy herself during class, got tons of IOIs and what not. She even kino-ed me. She just seems to be a bit shy. Still im gonna out her on hold for a bit for flaking.

Theres a few more (about 8 more + the 2 others from the party), but i havent begun to completely game them yet, these are the main 4 for now.

Now for some background info, i have a sweet job teaching english at a language academy, and we get a lot of college hotties come in for classes. The school has this unique system where the teacher spends 30-45 mins with the student in a private class to just talk in english (yeah, fucking amazing), so i meet a cute girl like every day. It can get kinda tough with the ones that dont know much english, but being bilingual, theres not much trouble. Some of my colleages are pretty cute too, so thats a bonus. (I also wanna point out Im a 20 yo guy and good looking, so no, im not some crazy pervy 40 yo teacher, taking advantage of his students, haha). So yeah this academy is great for pick up. I'm gonna start doing street approaches soon too, although i dont think i need them at this moment, i COULD use the exp.

Anyways, ill continue to update as things progress

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