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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:01 pm 
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I went to Prom last night, solo (no date). It was a good night overall, but there were a few things that could be improved on. Here are the highlights and main events of the night:

1. The Limo

Some friends and I took a limo to the pre-party. I was the social center of the limo. I did some drinking and had some fun, the other people in the limo seemed to be into it as well. This went okay. Everyone else in my limo except for one girl had dates, so I sat next to the dateless girl most of the time and flirted with her. Nothing happened with her though. (Fear of escalation).

2. Pre-party

I showed up at the pre-party with some friends, and right away I was relaxed, intrinsic, and in a good mood. I was there to have fun, and that's what I did. I talked to everyone - the popular kids, my group of friends, people I never talk to, so it went well. Chatted up lots of girls there, but only shallow chat, not too much flirting.

3. Prom

This was pretty fun too. Lots of people on a small dance floor in a 300 degree room. I grinded on lots of girls at the dance. I was just running around dancing everywhere, and I'd go up to a girl I wanted to dance with and dance with her. At one point I was dancing with two bisexuals who were making out over my shoulder when I was between them, which was pretty cool haha.
There was a douchebag there who tried to AMOG me. At the pre-party the same guy tried to say I looked bad cause I wasn't wearing a belt. At the dance, I went up to him and some friends and he said "Get the fuck out of here." so I said "What?"
"Get the fuck out of here."
"Why?"
"Alright, show me your moves."
So we had a dance off and eventually he left.

4. After party.

This was the worst part of the night. It was all the 'popular' kids from all over town, about 200 packed around a fire in the cold rain outside. I had sobered up a bit, which made me a little less chatty and sociable, and I kind of stuck to the outskirts with some other out of place friends. I felt like a lost dog most of the time, wandering around aimlessly, looking for someone I knew, value seeking. I didn't really talk to many girls there, and when I did it didn't work out too well.

That's really it. Let me know what you guys think.

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Doesn't really seem to have been an active night PUA-wise. (Though I see how that could be bothersome when it comes to trying to pick up people you've known for a while through high school.) I'm European so I don't really know much about this 'prom' thing or the high school social systems of America.


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That's one of the problems - it wasn't enough gaming / PUA as I hoped. Knowing everyone so well and them having all these impressions of me so established in their minds, to be gaming them at prom is pretty difficult.

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In answer to your last comment, in theory, it would be easier since they're mostly wasted.

But here's my breakdown insofar:

1) Fear of escalation in limo was not good, but if you aren't practiced with good micro-escalation and vibe-escalation kind of ideas then I don't blame you, since it's not isolated.

2) At the pre-party, why only shallow chat? Why couldn't you flirt? Being sociable is usually a plus in high school, but this would have been a fantastic time to start a bit of gaming with the girls as well. Build up social proof by talking to all your friends, and then just game the chicks.

3) At the prom itself, grinding is fine in itself but it's not an actual close. Look up some dance floor game for help on this, it's a toughie.

4) This is so big it gets a point of its own: WTF with the AMOG. The guy was an awful AMOG, and you handled it just as badly. Props for winning the dance-off, but you could and should have done so much differently.

For one, why did you approach? If it was an all-guy set and they were just pissy, just eject. Their vibe sucked, why would you go there? If it was a mixed set, so easy to win the AMOG battle.

"Get the fuck out of here."
*Ignored, instead makes the girls laugh and carries a fun vibe*

Worst came to worst, he would throw a punch, and everybody would call him a douche bag, considering you're bringing fun, he's killing it. If you were smart you would be aware of the coming punch and dodge it, or block it. There IS a reason PUA's learn self-defense or martial arts.

In any case, even after you screwed up with the initial "why?", and he said, "Fine, show me your moves", you say, "What am I, a dancing monkey? No."

I don't blame people for not coming up with snappy lines in-field, because that's hard as hell, and usually turns out kinda dumb. But any self-respecting male would just look at him like he's out of his mind. Who is he to tell you what to do? Just falling in with his wishes makes you look stupid, especially because he could have just stopped and been like, "Haha, you look stupid", and then it's annoying to recover.

Anyway, we all learn. Your big lesson for the night was in how to handle AMOG's.

5) The after party. Seriously, man? If it's "popular" kids, this was PERFECT. Go up and meet people. I know this is really tough, especially for me, but I was kicking myself for passing up such an opportunity a little while back. If you go around meeting everyone, then you look great in everyone's eyes, HUGE social proof which is a really big deal in high school game.

If sobering up ruined your game, you should either A) have drunk more or B) Not drunk at all. This is relatively minor, though-- even if you felt like crap, you should try and psych yourself up. If you can't, well, just game in-state, and you will at least get experience, even if you don't get your rhythm back.

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1) Fear of escalation in limo was not good, but if you aren't practiced with good micro-escalation and vibe-escalation kind of ideas then I don't blame you, since it's not isolated.
Yeah, I tend to have a fear of escalation in general, it really limits my game. I think if I wasn't afraid of escalation I would be hooking up a lot more. Good tips here. Could you go into more detail about micro-escalation and vibe-escalation? I think I have a general idea but I'm not too sure what they refer to.
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2) At the pre-party, why only shallow chat? Why couldn't you flirt? Being sociable is usually a plus in high school, but this would have been a fantastic time to start a bit of gaming with the girls as well. Build up social proof by talking to all your friends, and then just game the chicks.
Maybe I did a little flirting, but I was in that 'high' mood you get in when drunk where you go around and just let the words flow out. You see someone and say the first thing that comes to your mind. At my current stage, game requires too much skill for me to actually utilize effectively in that state. I tend to be more sociable and outgoing when drunk, as do most people, but I end up just having light conversations with most people. Sometimes I say things like "I love you" or "You're so awesome", things like that. Not really flirting though, that's something I should have done more of.
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3) At the prom itself, grinding is fine in itself but it's not an actual close. Look up some dance floor game for help on this, it's a toughie.
Agreed. Dance floor game is very hard. I had to rely almost completely on physical game, and all that entailed was dancing with a bunch of girls, which isn't a close. I'll have to look into more dance floor game.
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4) This is so big it gets a point of its own: WTF with the AMOG. The guy was an awful AMOG, and you handled it just as badly. Props for winning the dance-off, but you could and should have done so much differently.

For one, why did you approach? If it was an all-guy set and they were just pissy, just eject. Their vibe sucked, why would you go there? If it was a mixed set, so easy to win the AMOG battle.

"Get the fuck out of here."
*Ignored, instead makes the girls laugh and carries a fun vibe*

Worst came to worst, he would throw a punch, and everybody would call him a douche bag, considering you're bringing fun, he's killing it. If you were smart you would be aware of the coming punch and dodge it, or block it. There IS a reason PUA's learn self-defense or martial arts.

In any case, even after you screwed up with the initial "why?", and he said, "Fine, show me your moves", you say, "What am I, a dancing monkey? No."

I don't blame people for not coming up with snappy lines in-field, because that's hard as hell, and usually turns out kinda dumb. But any self-respecting male would just look at him like he's out of his mind. Who is he to tell you what to do? Just falling in with his wishes makes you look stupid, especially because he could have just stopped and been like, "Haha, you look stupid", and then it's annoying to recover.
This was one of the lowest points of the night, for obvious reasons. I didn't feel like I handled it that badly, but I definitely could have handled it better, like you said. It would have been way smoother if I just ignored him. I didn't really approach him, I was just dancing around and ended up at the group he was in, which involved mostly girls. Then he said his little douchebag remark. Situations like this are the worst for me mainly because I'm not good at thinking of really snappy comments on the spot. I can think of plenty of things to say afterwards, but in the situation, its so hard to think of something (same deal as opening / in set).
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5) The after party. Seriously, man? If it's "popular" kids, this was PERFECT. Go up and meet people. I know this is really tough, especially for me, but I was kicking myself for passing up such an opportunity a little while back. If you go around meeting everyone, then you look great in everyone's eyes, HUGE social proof which is a really big deal in high school game.

If sobering up ruined your game, you should either A) have drunk more or B) Not drunk at all. This is relatively minor, though-- even if you felt like crap, you should try and psych yourself up. If you can't, well, just game in-state, and you will at least get experience, even if you don't get your rhythm back.
Exactly, I should have walked around talking to everybody instead of feeling lost and unwelcome and down on myself. I've been to the same party before (same house, same people) and walked around meeting / talking to everyone before, and it made the night go so much better. I'll definitely keep this in mind next time I'm at a party.

Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.

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Not a problem.

As for micro-escalation, that's Gambler's stuff, his Stealth Seduction disk 2 is the featured video of the month, and it's GOLD for this kind of situation. It's basically where your kino is under the radar. It's called stealth seduction for a reason: if you do it properly, people can't tell that you're hitting on a girl. I think Gambler makes some really good points on that in part... 4?

Vibe-escalation doesn't involve direct kino, but it's a lot of triangular gazing, sexual framing, and pauses interspersed in your speech. Check out the free ebook at 60yearsofchallenge.com. That should explain all you need to know.

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