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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:15 pm 
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ok so this is the start of my in field journal - to actually start doing some work to become a pua and to hold myself accountable instead of making excuses.

i have started to turn into a keyboard jockey in chat as i am avoiding cold approaching i have yet to do a proper cold approach. having excuses go through my head like. my friends will amog me if i try in front of them. im not well dressed enough. i have no money for a proper date. and numerous other excuses.

the worst thing about this is that i am a recovering alcoholic in AA, where i am tought to leave each day as my last. to take chances. and generally live as i did not when i was drinking. that you get out exactly what you put in. anyway

i have been here 2/3 months now, and up to now i have done very little, i have even stopped really studying pua material - because whats the point if im not implementing it.

so i am out all day tomorrow. working and going shopping. so i am going to open 3 sets at the very least. i will then be giving a detailed report on this. all the excuses i ignored. the way i approached and generally my feelings afterwards.

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ok so i went to town with the sole objective of opening sets by asking for the time and if they get their phone out to give it me, say i asked for the time not your number. then go from there.

walked up and down market street (the main shopping centre) about 8 times. went round the arndale and into primark. this took about 2 and a half hours. i didnt open 1 set. i eventually walked past a girl and asked her the time. she gave it me and i said thank u. i then went into a shop and asked an assistant something and flirted with her a little bit.

so im really not pleased with myself and the AA is getting worse.

so i have posted on my lair asking for someone to meet up with me and go day gaming. i cant keep walking round driving myself nuts trying to talk myself into going up to girls.

will post again here on sat. if no one responds will go to town again then.


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Ok so my next day out is tomorrow. 2nd Jan 2010. im gonna start off with the same thing i did the other day. just ask for the time etc. then im gonna move on and do some situational openers etc.

this is gonna be just open sets all day. see how far we can push it.

im heading out with Garaa, so this should make it a lot more fun and give us both some motivation. will report back tomorrow evening.

Hank


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Best of luck man! Always been a mate in chat, I hope you do really well.

AA is always tough to get over when you're first starting out, when I first started, I was with a wing and we played Veto, which is a pretty cool game for DayGame. We'd always start out flipping a coin, whoever won the toss had power of veto and were allowed to pick out a set for the other person to enter. If they didn't approach, they had to pay 20$. It's a great motivation to go forward and commit to the approach, if you're having a hard time getting the nerve up and have a wing, it's awesome.

The other way that I've started is to get into the mindset of what you might lose if you don't approach; that girl might be your soul mate, that girl might be the one that you get into a relationship and settle down with, that girl might be an awesome person who will open up to you easily and have an amazing conversation with you. Just remind yourself of what you could be missing out on if you don't approach.

This is also an awesome mindset to have when you're entering sets in daygame, our thoughts create reality, and if you're wanting them to connect and open up with you, it's amazing how different it is to just going in, running opener, running transition, run DHV story, number close, etc. etc.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:58 pm 
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Ok, Saturdays field report.

Would just like to say a big thank u to Hobbit who keeps pushing me. cos boy do i need it. and JR thanks for your post as well u have4 always been there for me and hope to continue the friendship.

so went out today with Garaa today to do opening sets. It was a bit of a task to get to him as i first put off meeting up with him. It was raining and miserable so i text him to rearrange. Anyway he said he had just left, so we ended up meeting as planned, at first we both kinda put starting off a lot. We walked around for about 20 mins and went for a coffee. Iv never met garaa before and wasn’t sure how this would work as were both new to PU.

Anyway after we made a decision to start it was a lot easier for him to find sets to open as his age group is a lot lower than mine. I opened the first set and then Garaa started too. After a few sets Garaa started getting into it, i was still suffering really bad AA and kept finding excuses not to approach, There not my type. There Chavs. There with their boyfriends etc etc. Garaa kept pushing me into doing it.

Anyway after the first hour or so we went to sit down in the Food Court. He was telling me to stat opening more sets, so i opened the set sat next to me with the who lies more opener. As soon as the set was finished we went back to talking. Although i got a few ioi’s from one of the girls.

We carried on sarging and about and by this time we had got into a routine where if we opened a set the other would keep walking and we generally left each other 2 it.

By the end of the afternoon i had opened about 20/30 sets got 4/5 good ioi’s from sets including 2 hired guns, a HB8 retail girl and a HB6 barmaid.

I also had 3 very good sets and could see me easing into opening pretty well. One of my first was a HB8 who i just asked where there were decent clubs then said i liked her hat. The second was a lot better, i asked about clubs then got chatting about the fact she should quit smoking and kinod a bit. The last was the same, 3 set and did a bit of kino and was generally confident.

Anyway by about 6 i had been going around for about 4 hours and was emotionally exhausted. I had gotten no further than opening and making a few comments extra. My AA was still really bad but it was getting easier. I read ioi’s really easily and am happy with the amount of approaches i made. Although i could have done a lot more. But i feel 1000 times happier about sarging now and am looking forward to doing it again asap.


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I am really proud of you Hank!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:36 pm 
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ok again thanks to everyone in chat for your support. i loved coming in chat when i have actually done something to become a pua. and talked to people about it, and the support i am recieving.

so my next field report. i went out today with 4 guys from my lair. wow, it was great. seemed to get on well with them all. they were really supportive and made the experience fun, nearly as fun as with Garaa. (although im pissed with him for not posting yesterday hint hint)

o so i met one guy and did a couple of indirect openers and went to meet the rest of the guys. we then played a game where we chose targets for each of us.

my first approach was a hb8, georgeous brunette, deff my type, i did an indirect approach and was pissed i didnt carry it on after opener and didnt go direct. went round for a bit and there were not many single women about.

anyway so i went to open a few and bottled it, then with that and the hb8 i decided to just fuck it and open a girl. i took a min to get infront of her, stopped her dead in her tracks and said.

hey bit of a random one i just thought u were cute and wanted to say hi.

hb, im sorry im on my lunch break.

anyway we went round for a bit but didnt open anyone else. ikept making excuses to myself. nearly opened about 3 more times.

but considering this was my second day approaching and i still have huge AA with indirect im putting this down as a win. im also going out with them again next week.

Hank


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Ok so here is Saturday the 9th of Febuary's report.

went out to manchester today. spent about an hour and a half just walking round with 2 lads from my lair without approaching.

there was a hb9 who walked past who gave me a very nie smile but still didnt approach. this really pisssed me off. anyway so i carried on walking round watching the other guys sarging, they kept picking targets out for me but i kept making excuses. too old. too young, not my type.

i went to go and speak to at least 4 girls and then bottled it at the last second.

last sunday was ok for these types of excuses. it was my first time direct but the excuses are running a bit thin.

so there was a girl who Ian said to approach, so i got to the side of her and started saying hi and i thought she was cute. but she said she was busy.

the rejection didnt even touch me. i just wasnt bothered about that at all. im pretty sure im more afraid of someone stoping to talk to me and me not being able to think of anything to say after my opener. anyway we walked round for about another half hour and i indirectly opened a 3 set. just asked if there were any good bars around.

anyway got an ioi from the one i asked so asked her where she was from then told her i thought her accent was nice. then ian helped out cos i was loosing the set. chatted for about 2 more mins then they left.

im very good at reading ioi's and can see very small indicvators. so a + for me there.

so i decided to go out doing night game with a load of ppl from my lair. the 2 guys i was out with during the day were there. we went to 1 guys house before and there were 3 noobs there apart from me. so we went out and one lad kept going into sets others had opened. (something i couldnt do) then i walked round a bit and made excuses. mostly along the lines of these girls are really hot and i have no chance.

anyway Ian dragged me over to a set to just say aernt u glad im not wearing a lumberjack shirt (loads of ppl were wearing them). it was very strange and they just laughed at me. then ian carried on with the set and i went for a cigerette. didnt think about the set after that. again just not fussed about the rejection.

so went for a cig with the other lad i was out with during the day and we were comenting on this AFC who kept slapping girls arses as they walked past.

there was a 2 set in front of me a hb4 and a hb 7.5.

Me: excuse me can i ask you a question do you think that slaping a girls arse is a good chat up line. me and my friend were just talking about it and i just wondered what was wrong with Hi.

Hb. ye he just tdid that to me i hate that.

i used this opener as i thought it was a good way to DHV (showing value cos im not an AFC)

anyway me and other goy commented on her accent then he took over the set and she gave him a few ioi's i just stood there and smiled. didnt know what else to do. was pretty gripped by fear.

anyway finished cig and went back in. stod around for another half hour or so and didnt approach anyone else. got one of the nobs to do the lumber jack line on a 2 set. then asked some girls if they wanted me to take a pic of them all. didnt do anything else at all..

walked near the hb7.5 once and she smiled at me but didnt aproach.

anyway that was my saturday comments or advice would be appreciated.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:24 pm 
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Ight Hank, your doing good, I havent been out much but Ill be posting journals soon. Basically you had to do some more approaches, I can tell that AA gripped you during your day game sessions.

At night game i couldn't tell if you were more uncomfortable or not. So obviously it was a house party(If im wrong...soz) and you knew only a few people, what you have to do is WORK THE ROOM. This is simple, simply talk to everyone, introduce yourself, flirt a bit with the girls but simple move onto EVERYONE. You will seem social and this is an AMAZING way to eliminate the AA for the rest of the night. Any interactions you undertake, its not a cold approach, these women will remember that you introduced yourself earlier.

I like what you did with the guy slapping other girls ass into a line, but why are you asking the girl if its a good line? Just go in, "What do you think about that guy slapping all the girls ass? Do girls actually like that stuff/Guy seems retarded." And then when they say no simply say something sweet like "Yeah i have more respect for women.....Oh your accent..." You can chat up the people in the room after introducing yourself and walking away for awhile and then go into the actual pick up.

Best of luck in the future and keep it coming hank, you have made progress.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:56 pm 
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Hey guys thanks for the replies.

ok so went out saturday day. did about 4 approaches. 1 in a book store. girl was looking at a cook book and i said i wouldnt get that one its crap. then just stood there like a gimp. did one direct and girl walked off.

have a big fear of stopping girls with headphones on and kept tellin the guys that i would do some next week but this girl was walking past and said to her, excuse me but dont you know its rude to be listening to your headphones when i want to talk to you. she didnt stop but im putting that one down as a win.

anyway so went out at the night with the guys and was gonna ask the barmaid for her number but bottled it. ian opened a 3 set and got talking to them but couldnt hold the set, ian ended up getting the number of one of them.

went and did my first direct opener of the night and did the straw opener on her. she was a bit taler than me and was really cute (really my type of girl) did the opener went down really really well. then i froze up and left the her. I just walked off.

then ian's bro opened a 3 set and was talking to a hb9. i cane over and we both started talking to her, then he went for his target an other girl and i stayed in set for about 10 mins until her other friend was served at the bar and came back.

so we opened with the tell me whatrs special about yourself. this was where i came in, did a topic on rings on fingers and mentioned about hers.

did the think of a number. and went on. just left the set after a while cos it was going nowhere and i got scared again.

the reason i spoke to the hb9 more than the other girl was i actually liked the other girl, and got more panicky and thinking what if i blow it.

the other girl i didnt care about. but saw me not being able to really hold her attention. she was just talking to me because i was there.

anyway iv got a serious block on approaching. im more scared of them actually stopping and talking to me than walking away. i keep freezing up and my mind goes blank.

on sunday i only opened 1 set, and she couldnt speak english. i then lost it again.

if anyone knows good conversation topics or how to transition from one convo to another i would be grateful cos i suck big time and really need help on this..

Hank


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You're making good progress Hank, congrats!

As for the conversation, think of some interesting things about yourself; any hobbies or interests you have or any funny stories you have that would be interesting to others or demonstrate some higher value. Even write it down if you have to.

Remember to be confident and energetic more than anything else. And be passionate about what you talk about, whatever it is; women find this attractive (IMO).

Don't build it up too much though - you're an interesting person having a conversation with someone, that's all.

Keep us updated and good luck!

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Rah, bro, are you serious. This doesn't sound like the Hank I know. Start being the Hank you ARE, when in field.

I'm going to dare to stay, you're stuck in your head.

I can just tell. Because, the way you're talking, sounds a bit 'stuck'. I think you even said you felt 'stuck'. And, I personally, would put this down to being 'stuck in your head'.

This happened to me when I used to be thinking about having to use a formula, or use a technique.

You end up thinking, 'what do i do now, i need to use a transition, damn, whats a good transition, shit no quick, neg... NEGGGG!!!' I'm sure you know what i mean however.

Towards the very end part of last year. I dropped all the method/formula stuff. And just started being me. I don't know what your success with girls was like before the community. But if you were decent enough, learning pick up can actually make you slightly worse off, at least for the first part, or when doing the wrong things.

I was scared to make the move into going completely 'natural' and starting a fresh. I thought I would be helpless without the material I had learnt. In fact, most of it was holding me back. When I first started reading pick up stuff, I realised that half of the common ideas it promotes i already do, but I easily got drawn into thinking I needed this material. I don't believe this was the marketing of it, possibly the ess blatant marketing. I digress, the stuff I have learnt, has proved useful, but, for me, it only became useful once I let go of it.

When you think 'inside' your head, you become stuck. When you trust in your brain to act in the background, things run smooth. This worked for me. And it has worked on all 5-ish of the people I suggested this to. And you seem to be having that 'stuck' feeling. So I'm assuming it could prove useful for you too. It might not be so instant, cos its easy to start 'thinking' again.

But seriously, you don't have to be running a game technique every single second of the interaction, just chill out, the oppurtunities to bust shit present themself and you'll act on them.

I hope this helps you, man.

Play on Playa

p.s. I'm sure someone's liable to jump in with some bullshit, so before they do, no I do not think im an expert all of a second, I don't think im some superb pua, and nor do I want others to think of me in such a way. I just know what I know, I know what has honestly worked for me, in genuine experiences, and I do my best to share my knowledge and experience with you, if and when I think it could be of benefit to you.



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I think you are on your way man just keep at it. You are doing way better than I am. I wish I had support of my lair. I think that LB has good insight dont let it get into your head. I find that happens to me also.

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ok LB, LS, whatever it is now. dude your absolutly right.

im pretty good with women. when i know they like me. iv been ok in picking up people iv been introducedthrough friends etc.

where my problems lay, and one of the main resons i came here was because when faced with a woman i dont know i freeze up. and having canned material to fall back on when im stuck is very very appealing to me.

im not saying do MM where u go do this do that, do the other. i just need for laxk of a better word a start off point. 5 mins to get the convo going. to actually have something to get over myself.

this is and has always been a problem. the girl i liked i just froze up completly. it was like i had never spoke to anyone before, Ever.

the other girl was easier because i either didnt like her or just put her in a catogory of i have no chance. so talking was easier.

this is something that i have been stuck on for years. the guys i go out with go its AA, your scared of the approach. but im actually scared of the interaction after the approach.

like im sure u know LB im a big beliver in going from canned to natural and that for me is a transition. ie, use the canned work on AA etc, then move on, always stay just ut of comfort zone and go for it. but i really need somethings to talk about cos of the freezing up.

hope his explains a bit better where im coming from. and thanks for the advice boys.

ps yes it is a huge help having ppl pushing me. i would have never opened the girl i like dif he hadnt said open her. do it do it now.

Hank


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ok LB, LS, whatever it is now. dude your absolutly right.

im pretty good with women. when i know they like me. iv been ok in picking up people iv been introducedthrough friends etc.

where my problems lay, and one of the main resons i came here was because when faced with a woman i dont know i freeze up. and having canned material to fall back on when im stuck is very very appealing to me.

im not saying do MM where u go do this do that, do the other. i just need for laxk of a better word a start off point. 5 mins to get the convo going. to actually have something to get over myself.

this is and has always been a problem. the girl i liked i just froze up completly. it was like i had never spoke to anyone before, Ever.

the other girl was easier because i either didnt like her or just put her in a catogory of i have no chance. so talking was easier.

this is something that i have been stuck on for years. the guys i go out with go its AA, your scared of the approach. but im actually scared of the interaction after the approach.

like im sure u know LB im a big beliver in going from canned to natural and that for me is a transition. ie, use the canned work on AA etc, then move on, always stay just ut of comfort zone and go for it. but i really need somethings to talk about cos of the freezing up.

hope his explains a bit better where im coming from. and thanks for the advice boys.

ps yes it is a huge help having ppl pushing me. i would have never opened the girl i like dif he hadnt said open her. do it do it now.

Hank
AA never truly gets away.

Accept that fact, it'll get easier.

It's like doing the dishes, you never feel like doing them. But once you start. It's not so bad.

Canned material are great training wheels, and they're training wheels ONLY.

Try resorting to flying on your own wings as much as possible.
Get into those uncomfortable situations and be okay with it.
For opening canned material is great. After that try flying on your own wings.
What I like to do is talking about what I did that day. Even if it's mundane as hell like buying garbish bags. I'll make it fun, she'll think its fun. If she doesn't, who the hell cares.

Ask her how her day was afterwards, pick up some stuff you want to continue on. Show genuine interest.




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