HEllo, this is my first post. I've heard alot about this whole PUA thing from a friend of mine who is a distance runner as well as me, so I've learned quite a bit while on runs already.

Anyway, I have known the best runner on the girl team for quite some time now (i'm a junior on the highschool xc team btw) and I one day asked if she'd go for a run. She said definately, but we couldn't because she had practices all this week. So I asked her if she wanted to go to the movies instead. Not only did she say yes, but she was the one who called me back telling me what movie she wanted to see. So all was well, until the date itself began. I suck at dates...always have.

First problem was that she picked me up, because I have a license but no car. On the way we did talk about running and crap, both of us talking the same amount (for once I wasnt the only one asking the queestions, which I know is good). When we got there I found out the hard way that my movie gift card had no balance on it, and she didn't have enough money either. HEr stepdad had to drive over to give some money (she told me later that he really liked me, even though all I said was that i'd pay them back, which I will).

So in the movies, having never learned when to put the arm around, II just sat there akwardly, but still talking to her casually. in about 15 minutes or so I did put my arm around her, and she leaned into it, like most girls do. I told her I figured she would be more comfortable, and she agreed, and asked if I was.

THe next problem I encountered was a mix of physical discomfort from hangng my arm outward and nervousness that made my arm shake, so I kept figeting to make it comfortable. When it was, I went in for the hand holding which may have been a bit much, while I look back at it, cuz I had my arm around her, and held her hand. But I did it by asking if it was uncomfortable to have it hanging off of the the solid arm-rest, and she said it was, so I held out my hand and gently grasped hers. Once the movie was over I asked if she would like to go to mcdonalds, where I work, and she said she doesnt like fast food, so I pushed a tad further and asked if she'd like to have some cocoa at my place (since im under 18 and obviously dont have my own place, I'm certain she didn't think this meant sex). She said she'd ask her mom, who she called, but got the answer no. on the way back we talked about meeting up again, and she went through the days out loud and said friday could work. when we got to my house, I leaned over and kissed her on the cheek (i wanted to get a kiss close, but didntwant to freak her out, so I found something in between, which probably wasnt a good idea :/ ).

Later, on facebook that night, she imed me, and I brought up frday again. Suddenly, however, I got worried she didnt really want to go, and then I thought, what could she possibly say if she didn't?. So in fear of making her feel obligatedm, I said i didn't want to come across as pushy and make her feel obligated. Even though she said she did want to hang out and didn't feel obligated, I think I BETAd myself. So finally, I suggested we go skating, and she said it was a great Idea, and then I said I had to go to bed, and left by saying I'll talk to her soon.

So did I completely fail? becase I keep getting bad feelings about it, especially after going over all the bad things. Not to mention at school I dont have the best rep, so her friends may convince her to not see me. THat did happen once, because I met a girl at a dance, made out with her, got her number, and a few days later she said she just wanted to be friends. It was a funny "coincidence"
because my friend told me her friends made fun of her for making out with me.
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Atleast you got the ice skating date.

Make sure you use heavy kino and go for the K-close (not kiss on the cheek) about mid way through the date. If you K-close right at the end she might think you're a wimp for going 2 dates and not K closing. I personally would do it as soon as possible.

Also try and interact with other people on the ice rink - other girls. Show that you're confident and willing to talk to anyone.

First of all Good Job ! Your confidence isn't where it needs to be YET but you pushed forward anyway !!! That's a great start. Secondly it sounds like this girl kinda likes you and your still able to recover from any BETA behavior you might have projected.

On your next date just remember that she likes you and she's as nervous as you are. So just follow the advice of the above poster and ramp up the kino and Go for the kiss Mid-date or before.

Good Luck and don't worry too much about the outcome. Your in practice mode still !!

cmmn man it was realy bad i dont agreewith the dude her said it was great and bla bla bla !!! are u a man or what u dam ask to much que ur a man u must give her feel like she goes out with alpha not with a pussy u must stop asking her what she wants if she wants when she wants u must say her a facts!
"hey look we are going to a great place its nice shit u will be fucking suprised!!!!"
even if u r taking her to a dam mcdonalds or a fucking pure coffe house
the way u have saidit makes her to look forward to and merges some curiosity
for her!!
so S-T-O-P!!!!asking her que make her feel like u fucking own this fucking world!!
best luck man!!

Our second date wend amazing. We went out to eat last night, at a really nice restaurant, but only cuz it was the only place I had a gift card to, and she knew that. We talked about almost everything, and we were both so into it, everytime the waitress came around, we didn't know what to order yet. Even after we were done, it took us forever to notice that the waitress had dropped off the bill.

Afterward, we went to my house, and I made some cocoa (I let her know my mom was there, so Im pretty sure she felt coomfortable about it). While it was in, we wnt to my room, so I could show her these rats I have. She actually loved them, and the lucky bitches got to go farther than I did (lol), crawling on her chest. Anyway, after we put them back, we just stood and talked, and finally I said the cocoa is getting cold. Before she started to go downstairs, I gently grabbed her and leaned in for a kiss, this time a real one. I think I did the 90-10 thing, bt even if I didn't, it worked, cuz she kept going with it, and then I pulled out, looked into her eyes, and kissed again, and I could tell she wanted me to. Then I joked around that I had to squeeze it in somewhere (we are both rather sarcastic) and she said she had figured it was coming, again, in a playful way.

So when we got odwnstairs, the cocoa was still in the microwave and had gotten quite cold, so I reheated it and we chatted while it cooked, but casually, because my mom and her boyfriend were watching tv. So we continued to talk, and even though she was running 30 minutes late, she didn't say anything, and I later found out her cocoa had been empty for like 10 minutes while we talked. So I did kinda ask if she wanted to go back up and see the rats again (a mistake I know, cuz she must ahave known it was an obvious request to make out again), but she said she had to head out, and I walked her outside, asking if she'd want to do anything either the next day (sunday) or just wait until school. She then said it would be easier if it was at school, but then I think she mentioned next weekend, or I did, I can't remember.

But anyways, we got to her car, and I kinda blatantly went in for the kiss, but again, she went with it. I, wondering if I was being too pushy or not, pulled out and madesureshe was comfortable with it, and she said yeah. So we kissed again, and it was kinda funny, because anfter quite along time I joked and said "I should probably let you know, I have a crush on you" and she lauged, and asked since when. I told her since I saw her running. And after kissing for another amount of time, rather than asking "do you like me" I continued with the playfulness, and said "you seem like you like me a little bit" and she said "just a little". So finally, we stoo d there, looking eachother in the eyes, because she had just complained about the wind, and i put myself infront of it,. I then said " I really don't even notice the cold right now" and he agreed, with a smile. But then she said she really had to go, and I promised it would be the last kiss (although this may have been clingy now that I look at it, I was the one to finally pull away). As she got in the car I asked if she'd like to do this again some time, and she said yeah.

So anyway, I was on facebook, then she came online, and didnt say anything. Me, with my insane insecuriteies, started to worry, because of course, no matter how good something is, I can never just enjoy myself and let my worries go. anyway, I said hey, and then I didn't see a replky, so I told my friend, and he said don't stress it. She had replied, in the next minute, but I was so stressed, I didnt even notice it. All I typed next was "haha, ddidn't see your reply" anfer like 7 minutes of hrers ( I think she had left before I typed it, cuz it put her in idle mode a few minutes later). so my friend, who's a totally natural alpha told me to just give it space, and call her the next night (tonight) probably at like 8ish, just to say what's up.

Ok, so if anyone, even the dude who replied to me has read all 3 of my posts on this subject...please help me, not just with what to do (right now all I got is a green light to call her in like 2 hours from my friend), but with major inner game shit. I have a feeling if I can just get an excercise from someone here that'll help me relax, and give less of a shit about whether or not she'll reject me, then I'll have less to even be stressed about in the first place. But I am aware of most of my mistakes, so if you're going to say I acted needy, pushy, cheesy, insecure, don't bother, because I know I did. What I want to know at this point is how I can repair the damage I've done, build on the good I've done (obviously she likes me at least somewhat), relax, and make future plans.
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hey, ang guys, tis all happened a while ago. I have the rest of the story on my other post called "movie date". please read that, and tell me what you think I should do now.

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Is this English? Are you mentally OK?

Out of your league?


Thats not fucken PUA talk, comon people!!!!!!

I second that motion.