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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:49 pm 
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Howdy players!

Just thought I'd share some of my progress since my game is getting better. I've decided to focus more on day game because I'm not really a loud music/clubbing/drinking kinda guy. I might have the odd night out and post up on here but for the most part I'd rather get girls that are a bit friendlier than the ones you find in clubs.

Went out today, approached three times, got one number. My own goal/expectation was to approach three times. It took me like two hours and I had to walk around, go and grab a coffee twice just to keep my cool, BUT I DID IT. I had a giant spot on my cheek and a bad hair day but I didn't give a damn, I was gonna approach three girls come hell or heaven.

First girl was European, red hair (died), looked decent enough. I had a sudden burst of energy, so capitalising on that just went straight up and said confidently, "hey just saw you back there and I had to say hi".

She seems to take it well, I have to step back a little as she is walking but then she quickly stops and says "oh thanks, how are you doing".

Me: "Not too bad, blah, blah, blah, can I get your number"
Her: "sure, my name is X, Y for short".

Some more chit chat, I start to blag a little as I lose my frame a little, so I wrap it up with a handshake, move on.

Girl 2 was mixed race. I saw her when I looked behind, and just stopped there and then (before I start thinking too much!): "Excuse me, I just saw you, had to stop and say hi"

She looks surprised and then a smirk to herself like who is this weirdo, so I know it's not gonna work, but I'll keep talking till she goes.

"Hi", she says back.

"So how's it going," I step in a puddle, D'OH!

"Not bad, I have to get a bus, bye."

By the third girl, I don't really care, I just wanna finish up and get back home, I've got one number after all, so not too bad.

"Hey, how's it going."

Her - smirking - "Hi", walks off before I have a chance.

Oh well, I'm not too bothered.

REFLECTIONS

I could be more interesting and creative than just talking about the weather and where the girl comes from. BUT my aim was just to get out there and actually TRY. And it's hard to say, "oh, I was too much this, I was not enough that, this was good though," because I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A THIRD PARTY PERSPECTIVE OF MY OWN GAME!!! What I think I did right though, was I approached confidently and with open, positive body language. Kinda like a salesman. I think I'd make a good salesman actually. Maybe I'm being too much of a salesman, in fact. I dunno.

That's today's progress, hope you enjoyed, hope it wasn't too long!

Adios amigos.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:31 pm 
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I also managed to narrowly avoid a fist fight with some guy asking me if I had any cigarettes (I said no, and he wouldn't believe me!).

Anyways, it's probably a good idea to state some of my objectives:

#1 I've got pages and pages of pick up theory on my laptop at home, but I'm not gonna overanalyse stuff any more. I've got routines memorised, lines memorised, openers, all the rest of it. I don't think most of it works to be honest but I can use it every now and then when I feel like trying something a bit different. So it's good I've got it memorised. But most of my pick-up is just gonna be from my own inner confidence, my own natural game, you know?

#2 Today I approached three. On a typical day, though I will just approach one because of how long it took me to rack up the confidence. I'm sure I will get better and I plan to do it three times a week, minimum so three girls a week at the very least.

#3 Like I said, a lot of the convo I made with the first girl was BORING. I'm gonna keep working on myself, my own hobbies and life until I've got something better to bring to the table. Read a few books or something, I dunno.

#4 Keep things simple. I think a simple 'hi, how are you' is a good conversation starter. Ideally, I will think of something interesting to say about the girl, e.g. if she's got a Maori tattoo, or if she's wearing a t-shirt with a band I like, I will try those things. But I'm not gonna do any weird pick up lines or shit that doesn't work. I just don't need to.

#5 stay direct. Open body language, good posture, good poise, strong eye contact. Need I say anymore?

#6 no more perfectionism. I'm done with perfectionism for good. I'm kicking perfection in the ass from now on.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:10 am 
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Update: ok my game can't have been that bad because I got a text back, whoo. I've replied so waiting for another response.

Contemplating hitting the town again see if I can get a few more numbers :)


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Ok girl #1 this week, I simply walked past turned and said, "excuse me", she takes her headphones out and I say "hi how are you" she says fine, puts them back in and I walk off. So this one didn't go so well and I could have gone around and found a few others. BUT I'm doing what I set out to do, so that's something.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:22 pm 
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Right so on top of the day game, I've been working some text game (first girl I met) and online game.

Me: hey its the black hat purple coat guy from XYZ, how you doing?

ok one day goes by she doesnt text, so I prompt

Me: hey by the way, I forgot to introduce, my names XYZ.

She replies (wooh!)

Her: hey black hat purple coat guy, I mean XYZ how was your day?

Me: not so bad after we met I did XYZ interesting things then got back. woke up in middle of night so really tired right now. how about you.

ok one day goes by, she doesnt text so I prompt again

Me: p.s. I forgot to ask what you do for a living

Actually the way I phrase the text messages in this post is better: it's more direct and to the point. I have a hard time staying direct. That last text is REALLY boring though, right? "What do you do for a living". Still, I couldn't really think of anything much better to say. It's taken her a bit longer to reply this time, oh well she's probably got a life to lead that doesn't involve walking around approaching strange men. Or maybe she's just not that into me.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:37 pm 
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Ok, so online game, . I'm not using online game to pick up by the way because I want to pick up in person just using my own personality and confidence. But it is interesting to see how girls respond to certain stuff.

My initial online game involved going around profiles asking girls opinion openers and asking them if they heard of the cube. The 'hi how are you' messages didn't have a lot of response but the other stuff did, so I used it for a while, the cube was more successful than the opinion openers. I think partly because I feel really FUCKING stupid asking girls about stuff like,

"OMG my friend's dating a stripper and then the stripper cheated and now, like, he's still going out with the stripper, and I'm just like HASHTAG OMGZ"

The cube on the other hand got some interesting results, and I can be pretty creative when I'm behind a computer screen and I have time to think what to say exactly ;)

BUT with the cube, convo dried up after it finished because the girl will be like,

"OMGZ that is so interesting"

And I'm like,

"I know right"

And then she's like,

"....sooo, ummm....how's the weather"

And then it's just like boom convo goes downhill.

So now I'm trying a different tact again, I'm using anything in the girls profile and adding a misinterpretation to introduce myself. For instance, something a girl said in her profile was,

"I am a really straight, direct girl, I just want things to be said the way they are"

So I said,

"How are things? You said you wanted things said the way they are"

...which generated a response - "haha that's very funny, I'm good, blah, blah, blah" - but now it's going down the how are things small talk stuff. So I'm seeing what I can do to liven things up a bit.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:40 pm 
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Ok, about to go out for some fast food, so hopefully will rack up the courage to fulfill one of my target approaches for this week. But in the mean time, I have done some more online game, so here are some of the comments I made based on what the girls said about themselves in their profile. Feel free to comment with feed back on these because I am trying to be creative/original in what I'm saying (hopefully then I can develop the quick thinking to transfer this over to real life approaches):

- fresh air's good, you can't live without fresh air. I think we have a strong rapport in that we share this commonality.

because the girl said she likes fresh air

- how can you have meat and pasta without onions?

because the girl said she likes meat and pasta but not onions

- such dark brooding eyes

for no real reason other than that she had dark brooding eyes

- funny cat videos are better when the cat doesn't have any oxygen

because she said oxygen is one of the things she can't live with, and then she said funny cat videos as well


My theory is that the first thing which comes to mind is more likely to work.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:30 pm 
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I haven't given up yet, just been a bit busy this week, I will resume my approaches next week. I'm gonna use green now for field reports - i.e. day and night game, which for me kind of just roll into one. e.g. I might be going around the streets at night, or I might be in a pub during the day. So day and night game are gray areas for me.

Field Report

Actually I did do two indirect approaches, (#2) at a train station I made a joke about a girl's suitcase having a mind of it's own when she was trying to get it to move by pushing it because she was too lazy to push. She laughed out of politeness, either she was just nervous or she wasn't interested in making convo but I didn't stick around to find out.

The other time, (#3) I went out for chips on the busiest street in my city at like 2am. Needless to say it was jam packed, although I hadn't really been expecting it - I was just genuinely going to get something to feed my appetite after waking up in the middle of the night. Anyway a few girls sat on the table next to me and one is sat on top of my seat so she is facing her friends. I have a weird thing about keeping my own space, especially when it could (in my own mind) look like I'm enjoying this proximity with the girls a bit too much (which I am!). So I get up and ask the guy at the counter if my food's ready, and he says yes and gives it to me. As I turn around, I put my food on the table, smile, pat the girl's arm and asks her if she is comfortable. She is hammered out of her mind and a solid HB 8/10 and she just says, "your fit!" (english expression for hot). Now I'm freaking out and I just ask her for my seat back because (a) I've already stalled in my response, (b) my place is a pig-sty and I know I couldn't bring a girl back there and (c) well she is fucking 'fit' herself, enough to get me all nervous and all AFC-like. She tries to resist moving until a friend helps alleviate the social awkwardness by dragging her legs around the seat. I say "thanks, miss" politely but annoyed with myself for fucking up an opportunity that happens very rarely - I think finding a hot girl that is as outwardly promiscuous as that is like finding a four leaf clover or something. I just wasn't expecting that to happen. Still, I might go to more chip shops at 2am next to all the clubs and pubs!

So I don't know if you would count these towards my three a week, but in some ways these more indirect approaches are more useful than just going straight up to someone and being that explicit about your intent. E.g. when I said "hi how are you" the other day, it's too obvious why I'm approaching and it's not an opener that makes for good conversation. It's not like I'm asking straight up for sex but, still I need more confidence to use that kind of shit, a bit like how RSD Tyler is one of the most brazen pick-up artists in the game but he has no problem projecting his own subjective frame/drawing girls into his own inner world in the field.


Online Game

Ok, so I've been using the same approach in the post above and just getting quite creative. It's definitely 'working' in the sense that I'm getting lots of replies and getting some good convo and rapport going. I think I just need to learn how to translate this mentality into my own day game. I won't post too much details, but I've got like 7 conversations going on at the moment and a potential date lined up.

e.g. something I just said to a girl after a quick look on her profile was,

"That's awesome that you're a super tall rower super woman. If we were trapped on a desert island, would you be able to make a raft and row the two of us back to safety?"

THAT is the kind of thing I want to translate to my day game. I want to be able to think these things up on the spot and have the courage to just go ahead and say them in real life. And I want to be quick thinking and original, not using boring lines that attempt to flatter based on appearance. I want to say stuff that's interesting and actually creates that spark needed for cool conversation. If you have any suggestions, e.g. books and stuff, please let me know.

Although I have to say I might just go on the date for experience because when I get with a girl I want it to be a result of my own confidence - i.e. because I approached someone in real life not because I took the coward's way out.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:45 pm 
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Day Game Update 06/04/2015

Ok guys, REALLY hot day today the weather was gorgeous. When I went out I had my leather jacket and sweater underneath because it was grey but the sun soon came out, and I regret not just wearing a t-shirt. Needless to say I was nervous again about approaching, I'd say it took me 30-60 minutes walking around, taking time to grab a hot chocolate and making small talk with a girl behind the cafe and a girl giving out free pizza before I racked up the courage to approach. I remember just looking in the glass as I was crossing the street and seeing my reflection and I thought to myself, "who is this good looking bad boy in a leather jacket with a nice haircut and nice tight fitting jeans that's too scared to approach?" So I went and made three approaches based on observations about what girls were wearing in my town (which was jam-packed today). Some girls were dragging suit-cases, some girls were dressed in jackets - like me they probably came out before the sun was shining - and some girls were wearing black. Based on these observations, I came up with a few lines.

#1 Brown jacket and red hair, HB 7/10, 5"5

Me: Excuse me madam, I couldn't help but notice that jacket you're wearing you must be sweltering in this weather

Her (walking, so I walk beside her a little): It's not that hot! (she chuckles)

I can't hear what she says so I chuckle too and let her carry on. Maybe I should have been more aggressive, I don't know but I would prefer to just let them walk away if they keep moving.

# 2 Eastern European, black hair, black sweatshirt 7/10

Me: Excuse me miss, that black you're wearing, why wear that in this weather, it's like your dressed for a funeral.

She rolls her eyes and I narrowly dodge out of the way of like five people on a busy high street to carry on talking to her,

Me: Well, I guess I'm being a little hypocritical wearing black myself...


She smiles and nods and stops to buy from a vendor so I give her that space as she so desires and walk on.

#3 Curvacious blonde, pretty flowery dress and a suitcase 7/10

Me: Excuse me miss, may I ask where you are going with that suitcase, you must be -

Her (smiling politely but interrupting, because she knows my bullshit :P ): I'm going to see my Dad

Me (walking off) : Ah, right.


I was going to say "you must be going far away from here to somewhere nice like a canal or a park" but she didn't give me that chance. Probably wouldn't have made a difference.

Analysis
Bodylanguage
Open body language, and high eye contact. However, I am a little nervous and I can get a little jittery - this shows in my voice. I think I hesitate a little as well when I am making these approaches. I think Mystery's 3 second rule should be renamed the 0.5 s rule, because I swear that 0.5 seconds makes all the difference between a confident, dynamic approach and an approach that is over-analysed and full of nervous energy.

Lines
You might say they are a little boring and hell maybe I am negging a bit too much - "why are you wearing that jacket?" - but I think it's 10 x better than any pick-up line and less direct but also more interesting than a simple "hi, how are you".

As for "excuse me, miss" and "excuse me, madam" I don't know where these introductions are coming from, it's not like I've been socialised to treat women with white knight chivalry or anything. So yeah I guess you could say I am putting the girl on a pedastal but at the same time, at least I am being respectful (in my opinion).

Overall
I'm glad I made three approaches today - that's my goal for this entire week, so anything else I do now is a bonus. This means I can relax and make any approaches I want now without having to worry about set goals, so maybe I won't overanalyse things so much.

I'm also glad I'm now using situational openers, even if it is the early stages, I feel so much comfortable using natural game than canned routines.

I know I didn't get any numbers today, but as far as I'm concerned you have to fail to succeed. And I am confident that, as long as I keep making approaches today, I will become:

- more spontaneous
- more natural/outwardly confident
- more interesting in my choice of openers
- more successful with my end results


Online game is going well, will keep you guys updated.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:17 pm 
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Day Game Update 06/04/2015

Ok guys, REALLY hot day today the weather was gorgeous. When I went out I had my leather jacket and sweater underneath because it was grey but the sun soon came out, and I regret not just wearing a t-shirt. Needless to say I was nervous again about approaching, I'd say it took me 30-60 minutes walking around, taking time to grab a hot chocolate and making small talk with a girl behind the cafe and a girl giving out free pizza before I racked up the courage to approach. I remember just looking in the glass as I was crossing the street and seeing my reflection and I thought to myself, "who is this good looking bad boy in a leather jacket with a nice haircut and nice tight fitting jeans that's too scared to approach?" So I went and made three approaches based on observations about what girls were wearing in my town (which was jam-packed today). Some girls were dragging suit-cases, some girls were dressed in jackets - like me they probably came out before the sun was shining - and some girls were wearing black. Based on these observations, I came up with a few lines.

#1 Brown jacket and red hair, HB 7/10, 5"5

Me: Excuse me madam, I couldn't help but notice that jacket you're wearing you must be sweltering in this weather

Her (walking, so I walk beside her a little): It's not that hot! (she chuckles)

I can't hear what she says so I chuckle too and let her carry on. Maybe I should have been more aggressive, I don't know but I would prefer to just let them walk away if they keep moving.

# 2 Eastern European, black hair, black sweatshirt 7/10

Me: Excuse me miss, that black you're wearing, why wear that in this weather, it's like your dressed for a funeral.

She rolls her eyes and I narrowly dodge out of the way of like five people on a busy high street to carry on talking to her,

Me: Well, I guess I'm being a little hypocritical wearing black myself...


She smiles and nods and stops to buy from a vendor so I give her that space as she so desires and walk on.

#3 Curvacious blonde, pretty flowery dress and a suitcase 7/10

Me: Excuse me miss, may I ask where you are going with that suitcase, you must be -

Her (smiling politely but interrupting, because she knows my bullshit :P ): I'm going to see my Dad

Me (walking off) : Ah, right.


I was going to say "you must be going far away from here to somewhere nice like a canal or a park" but she didn't give me that chance. Probably wouldn't have made a difference.

Analysis
Bodylanguage
Open body language, and high eye contact. However, I am a little nervous and I can get a little jittery - this shows in my voice. I think I hesitate a little as well when I am making these approaches. I think Mystery's 3 second rule should be renamed the 0.5 s rule, because I swear that 0.5 seconds makes all the difference between a confident, dynamic approach and an approach that is over-analysed and full of nervous energy.

Lines
You might say they are a little boring and hell maybe I am negging a bit too much - "why are you wearing that jacket?" - but I think it's 10 x better than any pick-up line and less direct but also more interesting than a simple "hi, how are you".

As for "excuse me, miss" and "excuse me, madam" I don't know where these introductions are coming from, it's not like I've been socialised to treat women with white knight chivalry or anything. So yeah I guess you could say I am putting the girl on a pedastal but at the same time, at least I am being respectful (in my opinion).

Overall
I'm glad I made three approaches today - that's my goal for this entire week, so anything else I do now is a bonus. This means I can relax and make any approaches I want now without having to worry about set goals, so maybe I won't overanalyse things so much.

I'm also glad I'm now using situational openers, even if it is the early stages, I feel so much comfortable using natural game than canned routines.

I know I didn't get any numbers today, but as far as I'm concerned you have to fail to succeed. And I am confident that, as long as I keep making approaches today, I will become:

- more spontaneous
- more natural/outwardly confident
- more interesting in my choice of openers
- more successful with my end results


Online game is going well, will keep you guys updated.
This is really excellent man. I think you already realise most of your issues. There's really little advice I can give you you haven't already noted. However, I would DEFINITELY cut out the "excuse mes" and politeness from your opener. It makes you sound more like a panhandler begging for money than a PUA. You should be conversing with her as if she was your best friend who you've known for years. Your air of comfort and familiarity will make HER feel more comfortable and at ease.

Other few notes:

The funeral opener was a bit weird and probably not the best opener.

You should mix in a bit of humour in your opener.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:57 pm 
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This is really excellent man. I think you already realise most of your issues. There's really little advice I can give you you haven't already noted. However, I would DEFINITELY cut out the "excuse mes" and politeness from your opener. It makes you sound more like a panhandler begging for money than a PUA. You should be conversing with her as if she was your best friend who you've known for years. Your air of comfort and familiarity will make HER feel more comfortable and at ease.

Other few notes:

The funeral opener was a bit weird and probably not the best opener.

You should mix in a bit of humour in your opener.
Thanks man, I didn't get much sleep last night so as the day has gone on, I've been feeling more and more whiny. I went out again with a 2 for 1 subway voucher some guy gave me, I was gonna ask a couple of girls if they wanted to split the voucher with me, so I went over and tried the "leather jacket" opener (corny but not as bad as the funeral one, I know). But she cut me dead half-way through, either it was "I'm not interested" or "I don't have any money", I didn't hear her, but at this stage I felt dejected as fuck and wish I'd have called it a day at the other three. Still I guess I will count her as number four for approaches this week, chill the fuck out, and see what other approaches I can make in a (more rational) state of mind. Might see what live music's on just so I can stay awake a bit longer and not totally fuck up my sleep pattern. By the way if I was a naturally humorous person, I would mix that in, believe me - the 'funeral' opener was intended to be humorous, in fact! I guess it's kind of comical how I walk around getting rejected though, in an unintentional Charlie Chaplin pie in the face kind of manner.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:41 am 
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Do what Chocolate is saying regarding speaking with the woman in a way that you already know her. When the girls are cutting you off before you finish your sentence it's a sign that they can tell intuitively that you sort of are "trying" something on them or are unsure of your presentation or are perhaps trying to "get" something from them. Speak with them in a calm manner with the tonality that you already know them. Convince yourself that this is a girl you've already hung out with in the past. As Chocolate says the girl will then feel at ease too. Why? Because women are mirrors. They mirror back your demeanor more often than not.

You don't need to be witty. Quick on your feet is good, but witty/funny, not necessary. Charming sure.

You have the right self image (feeling yourself to be a handsome badboy). Now, become the part of that person you see in your mind.

Congrats because most guys are too afraid to approach in the first place. If you keep it up and keep modifying as you go, you WILL improve and you WILL succeed.


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Do what Chocolate is saying regarding speaking with the woman in a way that you already know her. When the girls are cutting you off before you finish your sentence it's a sign that they can tell intuitively that you sort of are "trying" something on them or are unsure of your presentation or are perhaps trying to "get" something from them. Speak with them in a calm manner with the tonality that you already know them. Convince yourself that this is a girl you've already hung out with in the past. As Chocolate says the girl will then feel at ease too. Why? Because women are mirrors. They mirror back your demeanor more often than not.

You don't need to be witty. Quick on your feet is good, but witty/funny, not necessary. Charming sure.

You have the right self image (feeling yourself to be a handsome badboy). Now, become the part of that person you see in your mind.

Congrats because most guys are too afraid to approach in the first place. If you keep it up and keep modifying as you go, you WILL improve and you WILL succeed.
Thanks for the vote of confidence Ocean ... So based on feed back, things to keep in mind today were:

- don't be too formal (say hey, not excuse me)
- be charming but don't try to be funny or witty


I've also taken the time to think of some ground rules for game that will hopefully avoid me getting punched in the mouth ( :P ) / drawing too much attention to me. Also I've taken some time to think of what I'm looking for in a girl ...

which is hot vanilla ice cream licking sexiness, obviously but also trying to think what I'm looking for personality wise - what character traits let me gel with a girl and get the right vibe going).

So,

GROUND RULES

- no comments about how hot she is, I can comment on her style or dress as long as it's something interesting (e.g. hey, nice style, you look like you just came from dorothy perkins)
- approach with a positive attitude, confidence and charisma or not at all
- don't approach girls with a guy
- don't approach girls with their family
- maybe approach girls in a group if it's just like a female friend or something, in fact maybe this way they will feel more at ease
- don't approach girls on the phone, maybe if they are texting it's ok
- be cautious of nearby people, but don't let the fact there is a crowd scare me away from using pick-up

WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR PERSONALITY WISE

- Laid-back
- Open-minded
- Tolerant different cultures and ways of life
- Adventurous & not afraid to try new things
- Liberally minded (at least socially if not politically or economically)
- Compassionate
- Likes animals, especially dogs (I have a dog :P)
- Sense of style, especially dress wise
- Looks after her appearance
- Bubbly and out-going (she might need to fill in a few of my awkward silences from time to time :P)
- Somebody is comfortable in her sexuality: she must enjoy sex - lots of sex and often - and realises it is not shameful to enjoy sex

Day Game 7/04/2015
I did the usual routine, walked around town for an hour or so, but I didn't feel so nervous today, I was just waiting for the right moment and also enjoying the sunshine (I can't believe it's already that time of year!), my costa coffee the busy bustling crowds. I saw some greasy forty year old try and hit on and get rejected by some fourteen year olds who weren't exactly upmarket creme de la creme either. I just laughed to myself and thought, if people don't pay attention to guys like that they won't notice pay attention to guys like me either.

So after I did the usual chicken walk to calm my nerves, I found a perfect opportunity to approach - a hot girl, #5, 8/10, dark hair, leather jacket, looks very friendly and approachable. I know exactly what I'm going to say and there's not many people round. Only draw back is she has headphones on.

ME (resisting temptation to point when I say this): Hey! High five for leather jackets!
HER (taking of the headphones, speaking in a European accent): What?
ME: High five for leather jackets!
HER: Ok!

we high five, great, I'm feeling that vibe but she's still walking, trying to think what those super smooth pick-up guys say when she's walking, e.g. "I've never had to be this aerobically fit to talk to a woman before", but she's not walking that fast so can't use that...
ME: So I take it your from East Europe, right?
HER: Well...
ME: France?
HER (chuckling): No, Lithuania. Is this a joke? Approaching strangers on the street?
ME: Well...

What do I say? what do I say? she's still walking and my peripheral vision narrowly saves me from walking straight into a lamp post because I'm keeping eye contact with this girl.
ME:...I just had to come over because you seem...
Don't say she looks cute, don't say she looks cute
ME: ... cool ...
HER: Ok, well thanks.
ME: Ok, well bye.
HER: Bye!


I let her walk away now because I'm guessing that's the point at which she expects me to do so. I think I should have just said something like, "hey are you going some place? stop and talk to me!" but I was having to process like 10 things at once, not to mention hazardous lamp posts in the middle of the street! Nevertheless, I think this was the best approach so far, I guess next time I should:

- be more aware of things around me (like the lamp post)
- notice things like the fact she has headphones, although I would have approached anyway and I don't think this messed up my approach
- still try and think of something a bit more interesting to say, and not always centred around the fact I have a cool leather jacket!
- get used to using pick-up devices to get her to stop walking! although I am glad I persisted and walked for a little while and I feel I picked the right moment to call it quits.


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I'm also thinking of using some night game tonight, so if you guys have any tips let me know. I'll dress up smart, shirt and jeans, and if I don't have any luck I know I can try the 2 am chip shop routine again! But this time, I'll put my ego about where I sit before my desire to get laid!

My main focuses won't be about what I say to girls because I've got shit loads of canned routine material like the cube, esp tests, 'my friends routine', that I now know is not as important as the confidence with which I say it.

My mentality when it comes to openers now is quite simple:

#1 What's the first thing that comes to my mind?
#2 Is that thing better or more interesting than just saying "Hi how are you?"
#3 If no, say "Hi how are you", if yes, then say it.


After this, I don't hesitate, approach. But if for some reason I do hesitate, or there is a time delay like someone walks in front of me before I get that chance to approach, then I use this opportunity to think, "what is the second thing that comes to my mind?" and repeat processes 1-3. If I still don't approach then I'm probably not going to approach at all! But that time delay can still work to my advantage if the second thing that comes to mind is better than the first thing. I'd say this method get's me out of my head a little bit. It's just find it funny that I need a methodology to stop my self from over-analysing!

Ok, so my main focuses, if I go out (if not tonight then some other night) will not be what I say or do to get social proof, so here goes my list, based on a conversation in another thread:

#1 If I believe that what I am doing is weird, then it WILL be weird and everyone WILL stare at me, so don't go out with that mentality.
#2 Guys tend to be more open to me joining their social circle. Just ask about sports, ask them where all the single ladies are at, high five, etc., etc.
#3 You stand out less (and there are also more girls in) crowded clubs.
#4 Don't over-analyse my approach, dance with girls, buy drinks for girls, use steps 1-3 above.


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To be honest, I've been speaking with loads of girls too much to share, but thought I'd share some of the most interesting snippets, [you'll have to excuse me for cherry picking the good stuff over the bad stuff :P]. Like I said before, I want to get the girl in real life, not resort to getting the date from online discussions. But if I can get some of the material that I've used when I've had time to think in a low-pressure environment that requires me to be interesting and stand out from the other guys that use the same boring lines...if I can get that material to translate into real life game, then I'm gonna be a pretty fucking solid PUA.

#1

ME: I would like to hear more about that conversation you had with your friend about hacking :)
GIRL: Lol my computer had been hacked at the time. I'm Jean btw
ME: Hey Jean/Jeanie in a bottle (:P) how's it goin?

*Jeanie in a bottle because of her username, Jean is not her real name btw

so you never hacked a computer? and there was me thinking you were this super cool purple-haired chick with awesome IT skills...

this is my latest conversation, still waiting for a response but I'm confident that she will...maybe too confident ;)


#2
ME: it says 'yall got issues' but to me that just means we got more to discuss
GIRL: Lol thats a great point agree after all isnt tge saying opposites attract anyways
ME: it depends if you think humans are like magnets or not
GIRL: Hummm thats a very well point do you think humans are like magnets?
ME: we have similar ionic arrangements: one direction and one direction only.
That's like saying "Ain't no other way than my way or the high way"
GIRL: Interesting :) do you like old sayings?
ME: till the cows come home
GIRL: Hahaha that answers that :)
ME: soooo
whatcha doin?

[insert boring small talk dialogue]

GIRL: Im more of a night owl when it comes to sleeping patterns but my morning jib dosent agree lol
*job*
ME: I preferred jib.

Night is better, cool dark sky, awesome city lights, stars in the sky, what's there to dislike?
GIRL: The only thing i dont like is the bugs
ME: Nah bugs are cool, especially ants, ant colonies, ant rituals, ant mating, ants carrying giant bread cumbs, ants fighting. Ants are the best.

ok I get a little too descriptive at some point in this conversation and eventually stop talking to her but she was the last person to say something and also looked at my profile when I didn't respond after a day, so I don't think this convo went badly


#3
ME: those puppy dog eyes..
GIRL: Well I must admit that's a first...
ME: I can't help it I'm just a bit of a cheeky monkey
GIRL: No no u misunderstood. I've never heard my eyes referred to as puppy eyes lol
ME: ok sorry you have eyes like a monkey
GIRL: Hahaha nice come back!

ok I'm shamed to admit I later violated the code of commenting on a girls good looks in this conversation



#4
ME: the indian elephant design on your top is very interesting , did you know elephants are some of the most intelligent animals on the planet and that their brains weigh 5kg on average?
GIRL: Hey that is very interesting I actually didn't know that!
ME: what can I say, I'm an interesting person
GIRL: That's good to know :)
So what made you message someone that lives in the us?
ME: practice makes perfect

silly thing to say, I know

GIRL: I guess
ME: yah
so how you doin?
GIRL: I'm good hbu?
ME: yh n2b just chillin reading facts about elephants, you know the deal
GIRL: N2b?? And no I do not kno
ME: not too bad. "you know the deal" as in, like, "you know how it is", [insert blank city reference] slang 101 ;)
GIRL: [insert blank]???
ME: [City reference explained]
GIRL: Ohhh
ME: *the truth dawns*
GIRL: It dawns on what?
ME: It refers to a situation where you have an epiphany / or a realisation about something.

Having to constantly explain references I'm making, not good!!!

I'll stop saying such obscure stuff now...how's the weather
GIRL: It's nice hbu
ME: dark and cold and I should probably get to bed :P

conversation fizzles out with some lame-o small talk


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