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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:04 am 
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I have been branching out and studying a variety of PUA material lately. I recently discovered AFC adam, and instantly became a fan.

In one of his videos he talks about how qualification is underrated and how powerful it can be.

Fast forward to Friday night....

Me and a few friends are out at a bar and there is karaoke... I see this BEAUTIFUL HB 8 (maybe 9) singing on stage... She isn't that good to be honest, but she had a nice tone to her voice...

So I thought to myself.. "What do I have to lose? Might as well try this qualification thing out.."

After she left the stage I waited a few minutes and walked up to her (and her friend)

ME: Excuse me, was that you singing a few minutes ago?

Her: Yes?

*her friend looks over, I can tell she is in defense mode*

ME: I did not mean to be rude, My name is AFCME
(shakes hand of friend first, then target)
What are your names?

HB: Blah
Friend: Blah

ME: Well listen, I like the tone of your voice.

HB: Thank you.

ME: I am in a band, and we are looking for a female voice to do a duet kind of song. Its a fast paced and fun song, but we need the right tone. I think your voice might be good for it..

HB: Really?!?

ME: Yes. Would you be interested in auditioning?

AND BOOOM!!! Just like that, I seen her and her friend drop there shield! Its like they were no longer worried to talk to me, they just wanted to make ME happy..

HB: OMG YES!! I WOULD LOVE TO!!!

ME: Here is my number, Text me and we will get something going. (She pulls out her phone and texts me her name)

ME: Have you done band work before

HB: No but I Blahalbhablahbalbhalbhalbhal
Basically she talked about how she loves music and other things (I don't remember)

ME: Interesting, we will talk about an audition date.

HB: WELL IM OFF ALL NEXT WEEK!!

ME: Ill see what I can do. It was nice meeting you two.
(left set)


I know what some of you are thinking..
"She is only interested in singing for his band"
And i would be lying to you if I didn't think so as well.. Buttttt... Let me summarize our text convo over the next two days...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:08 am 
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DAY ONE!

I did NOT hit on her (this was part of the plan) I let her qualify to ME!

I asked her simple questions... What do you like to sing, have you ever recorded, have you written songs? Things like that..I tried to show her no interest, while making her work to please me...

*sample of our text messages from day one*

ME: lol have you ever recorded yourself singing?

HER: Yeah.
Her: Want me to send you something.

Me: Yes, please send something.

HER: (10 minutes later) Sorry I'm at work right now.
HER: K give me a minute.

ME: Ok.

I get a voice memo..
Her: Here is a rough draft lol. I have no prior training and I sing for fun.
Her: Let me know what you think. I can sing anything.

ME: Honest opinion... I like the tone of your voice, but sometimes you get off pitch when you try to push yourself.

HER:lol I know I need pointers and thanks for being honest. Like I said I have always just sung in the shower. I mean I can sing anything really. Plus I'm better with music.

ME: I totally understand. If I have music I can play whatever on the drums, but if you ask me to do a solo I would freeze after 2 minutes. But I would like to discuss a few things. Give me a call after work.

HER: Where do you live?? XXXXX

ME: Yes.

HER: OK I will. It's just a one time thing right? Im very busy with school and work. I would love to do this though.

ME: Yes.

HER: Awesome Im excited..


I didn't get the call that night... So I decided to try the next day.. and that is when it all came together...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:18 am 
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DAY 2

Ok.. So I decided today I was going to show some interest to see what I could get going....


ME: Hey can you call me for a second?

HER: Im sorry, your probably not going to want to work with me. Im too busy. I hope I didn't waste your time :(

HER: Do you have a Facebook?

ME: Yes I do. XXXXX XXXX

HER: I hope your not upset.

(this is where I try to imply I might have a interest in hanging out with her)
ME: Its ok :) I understand. Thank you for being honest. You did not waste my time at all. Add me on Facebook, and check out the band! Maybe we will find time in the future, and if not I might just see you around the bar again :)

HER: Thats a big relief. lol Yeah maybe ;) plus it wouldn't let me add you! You just have an option to message you on Facebook!

ME: Message me then... Send me the most epic message you can think of!! lol :) then ill add you..

HER: LMAO Already did! It sucked though ahahah

(I got her message.. It said her name)
ME: Weird.. I didn't get a message... Try again. Your last message wasnt amazing enough lol

HER: SENT

(she sent me "Whats your favorite scary movie. *Said in creepy voice*")

HER: DANG YOU GUYS ARE GOOD!! AHHH I want to do this so bad! I just don't want to waste your time.

ME: Thank you. I understand your busy. Like I said we can keep in contact and if something opens up you can just slide me into your schedule. :) No hard feelings. Ill see you again.

HER: Well you are such a nice guy :) Plus drummers are sexy!

BAM!!!!! BAMM!!!! BAMM!!!! I finally started to get IOI's..

The rest of the convo went a little long, but she made it clear to me she was wanting more than to make music with me ;)

Feel free to critique my game!!!

-AFCME


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:20 pm 
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That's not at all qualification. You didn't qualified at all...you just asked her if she was singing and you told her she has a good voice...you asked a question and made a little compliment, go read some qualification material you're not getting what it is. Qualification is like when you go into a job interview and your boss qualifies you to see if you're good enough to be employed...in pick-up qualification is when you screen the girl and her traits of personality to give her the impression that you're screening her for a potential mate and she needs to qualify to you in order to win you over. It gives her the impression that she worked for you and it builds a better connection..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:38 pm 
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good work man, great use of qualification, that was really smart of you, it's really cool that you can qualify, I love it ;)


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I thought that since I put myself into a position of power (She wants to do the vocal stuff, and she has to get my approval.) that it was considered qualifying..

Sorry about the miss understanding guys


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I thought that since I put myself into a position of power (She wants to do the vocal stuff, and she has to get my approval.) that it was considered qualifying..

Sorry about the miss understanding guys
nope, you got it down, he is thinking of baiting girls into qualifying themselves for you

as in, you set down a qualifier question (or a question that is loaded with a qualification, if she answers she qualifies herself for you)

example, I love girls that are really confident, are you a confident kind of girl?

if she answers yes = just qualified herself and invested into you

having a qualification in it's self is simply possessing a quality, when you ''qualify'' someone, you let them know they posses what ever quality that you are ''qualifying'' them to

dis-qualification on the other hand, is simply letting someone know they do not possess a quality that you are ''disqualifying'' them from

there are many levels of qualification and disqualification, it can be simple as

qualify = I like you
dis-qualify = I don't like you

you can also bait a girl into revealing qualities about herself for which you can qualify her on

example:
you: you totally look like a dancer, you don't dance do you?
her: ya I do, I go ... blah blah blah
you: omg, that is so hot, my last crush was totally a dancer, I may just be in love with you...

you can even take this further with bait hook reel release (mystery method), and dis-qualify a girl after the qualifier to remove the tension

example:
you: omg, that is so hot, my last crush was totally a dancer, I may just be in love with you, guess that means we should never talk to each other again

(if you read my first post, you will see you were qualified, and that makes you awesome ;))


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pumpington i do the exact same qualification that you speak of but no day 2s i do daygame so do i build a complience ladder up until kiss close or something? insight needed bro


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pumpington i do the exact same qualification that you speak of but no day 2s i do daygame so do i build a complience ladder up until kiss close or something? insight needed bro
two possible reasons that I can guess,

lack attraction:

for the emotional, be more interesting, in other words add more value to the table, bring more positive emotions, play around and flirt a bit more

as for the physical attraction, just hit the gym, dress better, groom better, smell nice,

but usually a girl will not screen very well in terms of compliance if attraction is your issue (unless she is scared or something or being really really nice), so yes, screen girls with compliance (all the way past a kiss if you want but not necessary if you are just going for numbers in small little 2-10 minute interactions)

things you want to see from girls that are into you,

-will she let you touch her in a meaningful way (this could be as simple as holding hands)

-will she qualify herself for you

-will she be alone with you (show up for the day 2)

if you have those three, you can assume she is attracted enough for things to move forward, don't sweat the attraction so much, unless you are noticing alot of non-compliance, but yes you should be screening girls so you don't end up getting a bunch of flaky numbers and wasting your time with girls who are not interested

lack of emotional connection:

this is probably the main reason most girls flake on guys, they just don't feel like they know them well enough to meet up with them in person

qualification is somewhat superficial, you want to connect with her on a deeper level so she remembers you and thinks about you

qualification helps you condition girls into exhibiting qualities that you like, they behave and do as you like for your approval, this is a form of classical conditioning, and it is more on the attractive side of socializing (it will get girls somewhat investing, but also associating positive emotions to you)

bringing value, basically just helps her assosiate positive emotions to you, it is why she feels you are fun, it is why she is excited of the thought of being around you

but the problem is superficial attractive style socializing does not form a bond, she does not necessarily associate you to her, you are not a solid person within her life when there is no connection there, it is like a person you know as an acquaintance that you like (find they have an attractive personality), but don't really know to well, if you catch my drift

instead of just qualifying her, and showing interest, go beyond that and really get to know her, try to walk away knowing a good 5+ things about her, and her knowing some things about you as well, figure out what motivates her to do the things she does and touch on how she feels about that, find commonalities, find common ground, build rapport in general, having a connection with someone is that feeling that you know someone, the connection causes the comfort that helps you get those day 2s, but if she thinks you are boring her to death and only focusing on the rapport she will start to lose those positive emotions and she will also lose interest, but if flakes are your problem and you can get the kiss easy, then your best bet is working on connecting

also, if you just close some quick numbers en mass during some daytime approaches, you can just follow up really quick and easy on your phone and text for 1-2 days to build some rapport for a day2, how ever the attraction will mostly have to be carried by your looks as it is hard to create emotional attraction over text, as there is no emotional framework involved (she can't hear your tonality and see your body language to leech feelings off you, aka harder for her to associate positive emotions to you via text as they are emotionless)

also be careful with the above, texting a girl too often before you have met could set some frame work revolving around the two of you being ''texting buddies'', you don't want that, if she gets too comfortable texting with you, she will have less motivation to see you in person, so try to maintain a balance and after a while let the rapport over the phone die down until you are spending more time with her in person then you are over the phone

and lastly, please read the forum rules, and in the future don't hijack threads


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