Well I have to keep this fairly short and to the point. I took about a year off from PUA and women and now I'm excited, confident, and ready to dive back into the mix. I'm not here to give lectures or start a lot of mess like I did last time. I just want objective help on how I can best get results. With all this being said lets get to the meat of the issue shall we.

Over the last month or two I've made significant progress in terms of being able to approach and talk to women. In the two or so years that I have passively done this I have not been as confident and forward as I am today. In fact, approaching women is no longer a chore nor do I feel as much anxiety, for me, if I do not approach a woman it's more because I'm lazy and not because I am afraid. As a result I have been talking to women, being out going, energetic and a whole list of things. And women will general hang with me and be cool with me.

But the issue remains, I'm not getting a lot of results in the bedroom. For all my outgoingness and being brave I'm not feeding my hunger. I constantly keep pushing my self to go forward and it has helped a lot, but I'm seeking that next level of game where I can at least hang out with women on a frequent basis outside of school. For the first time ever last week me and a woman went out to hangout together, just me and her. It was a huge acheivement for me. But I don't want to stop there. I want to keep moving forward and improving.

One thing I noticed in the club tonight and a few other times I went is that women will dance with me but it won't be a long term thing and sets often bail or simply refuse. I am wondering if it is because I am not attractive, or because I dress bad, or simply because my voice is too light and I'm too nice. There could be a whole list of things preventing me from success. What is someone else's take on this issue? I don't think I'm an unattractive guy, but maybe I'm dressing bad, or talking the wrong way etc. If I could get an objective analysis on this situation I'd appreciate it. If you need some more examples I'd be glad to give them to you. This message is specifically geared towards night game, but it can also apply to daygame in some respects. Again ask for clarification if you need it.

Couple things I noticed: First, I don't attempt to meet girls on the dance floor. I wait till they're done dancing and then I go talk to them. Second, the faster you can find out if a girl wants to hook up with you, the better. You do this by touching them and testing them for compliance (see if they are eager to follow your lead). Don't waste time on girls who are friendly, but don't actually want to mess around with you. As soon as you meet a new girl.. work on strong eye contact, sexual talk, and incorporating more touching (it's what 60 refers to as "risking creepy"). If she doesn't respond well to this, then you leave and go meet somebody else (and maybe try again later).

I think that's something you can work on to take your game to the next level. Just my 2 cents.

-Wolf

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I'll admit for quite a while I've been afraid to touch women sexually, but recently I have started escalating like touching their bellies and face, but I haven't gone for a kiss yet. My next goal is to get a kiss. Thanks for this I now have a goal I can go after.

This post isn't particularly important I'm just putting down some ideas that I've recently learned to appreciate.

- Approach (You have nothing to lose)

- Be confident (I do this by just looking forward and past my mistakes)

- Assume that women are already attracted to you (Don’t do extra things to try and get women attracted)

- Abundance Mentality (Don’t be afraid of “Losing” women, on to the next one)

- Talk and act like you’ve already had sex (This prevents me from being thirsty)

K, I'm just marking down a few things I noticed about my game the last time.

1.) I need to be a little more serious, a little less smiling and laughing.

2.) A little more eye contact and confidence.

3.) A better listener, I talk too much.

I've established a small list of the things that I plan to work on and or overcome over the next several weeks, possibly a month or two depending on the frequency I go out. This week my game has witnessed a tremendous improvement. I noticed that going out daily was very healthy for me and it helped me out with women. I also got angry less often and had more energy to do things. With that being said, I plan to work on these things for the next several weeks.


1.) Approach women on 1st sight do not wait a second time to approach them (you have nothing to lose).

2.) Be confident, and maintain eye contact

3.) Assume that women are already attracted to you (Don’t do extra things to try and get women attracted)

4.) Have an abundance mentality. (Don’t be afraid of “Losing” women, on to the next one).

5.) Be less jokey, a little more serious: and do less nervous laughing, smiling, and joking. (Maintain frame ?????)

6.) Become a better listener and allow women to do more of the talking.

7.) Talk and act like you’ve already had sex (This prevents me from trying too hard to have sex.)

8.) Don’t dwell on past mistakes. Keep moving forward, learn


Ultimate goal by the end of the April: A kiss

I hope the moderators don't mind me using sticking points as the place where I will keep my day field journal. I will put legitimate sticking points in this section of the forum.

Update:

Btw, I did change up my style of dress and I just wanted to say that it has had a very positive impact on my game. Before I was financially limited by my ability to buy outfits, I hadn't bought new stuff since high school and I've been out of high school for almost 3 years now, so I went without for a very long time. Now I look sharp and a few girls did stop me in the mall to ask me where I got my shirts from and even hugged me. I definately see the change in response from what it was before.

k, yesterday I did get a number close it was nice, but I feel the interaction won't go very far because I wasn't sexual at the time of getting the number. I need to force my self to escalate, but my main problem is fear. I have a certain scenario that plays in my mind, but it doesn't come out in reality. This problem is not just one time, this occurs very frequently. I am a very nice guy and I am trying to re-wire my self, but it is proving slightly difficult for me to express my sexuality the way my mind would have it.

Well I have pushed my self to open up some women on 1st sight and I must say that I feel fairly confident that it went well and taught me some things. I'm moving on from approach practice onto having conversation and talking confidently to women. Though, I will consistently apply the 1st sight approach practice in the rest of these conversations and the rest of my practice until it becomes routine.

My goal before kissing is:

1.) Have 30 conversations over the next 2 weeks.

2.) Hold 10 ten hands and stare them in the eyes.

This is the part where the rest of the 8 principles on my list come into play. Middle game has been a weak spot for me for quite some time.

I did notice that today I had the oppurtunity to kiss a girl and I didn't escalate and take the oppurtunity. I need to practice escalating more and trying with different girls and I know I'll get good. So I will work towards escalation. Though I feel I should escalate with this girl fast before she becomes annoyed and disengaged.

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I think I will approach 10 people a day and say hello just to open people up and get me in the mode. I think this is too positive of an exercise to quit after the first day.

(All of the original names have been changed)

Well today guys I've had a full day of excitement and fun talking with the ladies. As you all know I've recently taken a huge step forward in game and moved forward. I'm not pushing my self to go further than I've ever gone and it sure is working. Today I've discovered something so personally profound that I think my outlook on life has completely changed and I have evolved from viewing the negative to viewing solely the positive. Negative no longer serves as my compass but only as an indicator of getting off track, and positive serves as a remainder of what I should do the next time I'm in a similar situation.

Well today started as any other, me saying hello to serval people including women to get my day started off right and to crack me out of my shell. This definately helps with the AA and social anxiety problems I've had in the past and definately gives me a more positive and vivacious energy about me.

At any rate I went up to the honors lounge today to talk to "Tina". Let me start out by saying she's cute, young, ambitious, and very anal (meaning organized not sex). But to be honest I'm not sure how I feel about her, I'm honestly quite neutral to her for now. I have tons of questions about the properness of the situation, but that is an entirely different post. At any rate, I helped her with a project she had to present to some young girls in the middle of next month. It was on obesity. I helped with the project and we laughed and had fun the entire time, it turns out fat kids are too funny, at least the way google pictures makes them look. I played around and hit her on her arms a couple of times to see if she was comforitable and everything seemed ok.

Even as I clicked the mousepad her breast grazed and hung on my arm like grapefruits. They felt very soft and warm on my arms and I admit I was getting a little excited. After we finished up I petted her on her stomach as a sign of sexual interest and escalation and she snapped. "DON'T DO THAT!" She says, "We all like tot eat a little." I backed down because I was scared by the negative reaction and replied, "I'm sorry." And I sounded a little defeated in the voice I won't like. However, I was extremely confused as to whether she was made because she though I was calling her fat via my actions or because she felt I sexually violated her. My mind race with some bad thoughts about getting a call from campus security but then I quieted those thoughts with rationality and calmed down.

I saw her later that day and she walked passed us, even though I know she is very friendly and usually talks to the individuals that I was around. I don't know if she was upset with me but I took that as a sign that I should maybe make my presence around her scare for a few days and then pick up where I left off the next time I see her in a week or two.

What I gathered from this interaction however, is:

1.) When escalating be sincere, and take it a little more serious, being sexual is not funny or a joke. This also includes not breaking when women challenge you during the process of escalation. If I had stood my ground I know my results would've been different.

2.) During conversations try to maintain eye contact more.

3.) And again, when women challenge you during escaltion remain calm headed, well-stationed, and have good comebacks at hand.

For example, if she told me: "We all eat a little." I should respond: "You think I feel that way about you? That's the exact opposite of how I feel." This accompanied with a strong voice and stronger eye contact would've probably yielded a different result and would've gotten me to the next level with this girl.

However, I am not deterred by this situation what ever may come of it, it was in fact a learning experience from me. I would really like advice as to whether or not I should leave this girl alone or simply wait till things cool down a bit, my instinct says wait for a cool down.
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Next was a girl named "Birke" and I have English with her. She was a short and interesting case. She came into class talking to Cyan abhout some guy she's obssessing over. She asked what to do and I made a hilarious in class skit ofo the ordeal. I poked her shouldeds, and danced around a little. I had real fun with the subject. However, at that moment there was this look in her eyes, it wasn't the first time that I saw that look. This is perhaps the third time I could've escalated with this girl in a big way. I could've swooped her off of her feet and kissed her neck blatantly. I know that at one point Birke was attracted to me, I don't know if this is still the case. Perhaps so or perhaps not, I'll admit that I am a little too jokey and I don't follow up on a lot of escalation that I could be doing. However, she has been indicating that she wants me to escalate for awhile now.

Which brings me to the next point.

4.) WHEN YOU GET THE OPPURTUNITY TO ESCLATE DO SO!!!


At any rate, I will make this relevant to the topic at hand.

I am a jokey dude, I like having fun, I'll admit that I have trouble with eye contact I was at one point a shy and depressed guy. Although I dropped that weight from my self I still carry some of those negative habits I've had in the past. I keep having these "ok" yet awkward conversations with women, and they seem to do fine for me. Yet I am stuck at this phase where women will generally talk to me, get chummy with me, but it often doesn't go much further than that.

The solution however is simple. I need to continue to follow through with that list of things I developed earlier. I need to stay steadfast to my plan and keep pushing through until my heart tells me that that list is complete. I am successful and I will continue to improve. I'm looking to push forward tommorrow with a girl I've been talking to for a while. I'm going to go for a kiss and if it blows out then it does, if not it doesn't. I'll see what happens tommorrow, but tommorrow will also present a big leap forward for me. To be completely honest, I've never honestly went for a kiss before this day. I can truly say that my heart thumps a little faster at the thought of me trying this. But this is indeed a neccessary step.

Just thought of something that will help me respond a little bit better to negative reactions. I am extremely good at public speaking and poems. Every time one of these situations comes up where a woman challenges me during an escalation I will reply in a poetic verse, at first sounding try hard, and gradually moving until it sounds and flows naturally as I speak. This way I can learn to reply seriously to sexual tension.

Well I hadn't met the specific girl I felt I could escalate with but I still did meet a few people today. I for once allowed for a conversation to seem awkward and it felt awesome letting the woman do more of the talking than I. I sat there in silence and saw her looking at me, though I didn't look back. I allowed for her to sit and feel awkward and for once it felt awesome not feeling like the awkward one in a situation.

I think my approach has been too centered around women. I will slowly expand out to meeting new men (as friends) as well. I've met a few new people today, which it was really cool to meet them.

At any rate, I am just extremely happy right now at this time in my life because I am finally moving forward and all that weight and baggage that I was once carrying I let that stuff go and I feel so free. I've never felt so free in my life, so at peace. It's like watching the stars by your self, you can't help but to fall in love and feel at eternal peace...

Edit:

I did notice one thing however, that in the interaction I had with the woman I approached today that eye contact was noticeably absent. I think I could've made the moment more memorable than it was. I won't dwell on the mistake but I did notice that. I'll try to escalate with eye contact next time and see what happens. Also I know I could've gotten a lot closer. Next time I open a girl I'll sit next to her hip to hip.

First Kino Escalation!!!!



Well guys its official, at around 9:40am on Tuesday April 3rd 2012 I did my first official kino escalation. Boy may I say that it felt slightly awkward, but it also felt extremely relieving afterwards.

The story starts in my Spanish class. There has been this girl that I've talked to for a couple of weeks. We had barely gotten time to talk and build rapport because we sit so far apart and the new Spanish teacher that took over the class is very different from my old teacher. My old teacher aloud for us to do group activities and that was an easy period of time to strike up conversation. At any rate to keep this part of the story short there wasn't much rapport when I escalated.

I had been touching on her before and a little jokey about me stealing her from her man, but I guess during that time she never took it that serious. Today I came to school feeling like I had to thaw my self after not doing anything for so long with women (3 days is a long time in this life style). The concept behind the escalation was about taking opportunities when they present themselves.

While I was near here I was trying to have a conversation in the middle of class and she generally responded slightly but did not engage me very often. But after awhile I felt it was very important that I do something to break the ice.

While we were reading in class I reached over and touched her leg a few times to see if she'd back away. I then rubbed her legs a bit. She folded her legs and said, "You’re creeping me out." I replied, “Don’t play like that you know what we both want.” Lol, I know that something went wrong during that interaction and I can't exactly pinpoint what. I know one of my primary issues was not being persistent afterwards, because after that one time, I did not reattempt to escalate. I wasn't necessarily discouraged but the class environment made it difficult to escalate. Plus I was already skating on extremely thin ice for making an extremely sexual comment publically in the class earlier that day.

I know that if I had pushed that line a little further that I would've probably been thrown out by the teacher or the teacher may have tried to force the girl to file a police report on me. Regardless of the ramifications I forced my self to at least attempt my first kino escalation even though it was not a kiss. I know that a kiss is coming very soon. I made up in my mind a while back that if I go to jail; I go to jail. I am now willing to take that risk to get better with women, and I no longer allow for social stigma to stop me from being sexual in school. I simply no longer care.

With that being said, I know a few things that I was doing wrong:

1.) Not being persistent enough, I should’ve pushed it a little more because I feel that I was still in the awkward phase of the isolation and that it would’ve generally improved it self if I had kept moving on.

2.) I was looking around feeling uncomfortable making sure no one was looking, real pervert move I know lolololololol.


3.) I didn’t steer the general direction of the conversation into sex, which is what I will do from now on, in every set I will push the conversation straight to sex after a few minutes. This should also serve as rapport building time.

Well basically that was what I did with my entire day, there is that time that I literally picked up a very short girl and should’ve kissed her belly but that’s about it. I was very happy and content with this. I believe I’ve made significant progress, this was the part of game that I’ve been stuck at for years and now I’ve finally broken the threshold and tried it out. I know that I’ll be kissing very soon. This is a very exciting time for me.

Feel free to comment and give any reasonable advice, either something that you think I'm missing or something that you think I interpreted incorrectly.

Oh and the comment I said earlier in spanish was: "Yo quiero montar a las chicas." Which means in english "I want to ride the girls." It's not hard to get why I was pushing the boundary thin, but my policy now is 24 hr sexuality though that might not be a good policy I need the momentum to push me in the right direction. this helps to encourage me to actually do moves etc.

[list]The Challenge List[/list][/b]After careful thought and consideration I now have a list of things that I will achieve before April is up. I never noticed how small I month was until I packed it with stuff to do. I am slightly nervous but I told my self I would have a k-close by the end of this month and I will stick to this deadline like my life depended on it. I won't make any excuses. I'll simply push my self to get it done. Ok, awhile back Warp Mindless told me of a challenge called the 20 kiss challenge. It's a challenge where you approach 20 girls and go for a kiss to see how many reject you or kiss you. I sure as hell plan to do that. I'm a little nervous thinking about it, but after doing it I’m sure that I'll be confident as hell when escalating with women. Ok, here's how my challenge menu is looking so far.

1.) Approach 30 women directly and in front of them with confidence (done)

2.) 30 Conversations with random people (in progress)

3.) Escalate with women by holding their hands rub them, and stare them in the eyes, do this with 10 women (in progress)

4.) Give 10 women frontal hugs (in progress)

5.) Have conservations with 10 different women about sex (in progress)

6.) The 20 Kiss Challenge

None of these besides the 20 kiss challenge must be on a single day and none of these must follow any sort of chronological order. So some of these I may do sooner than others. My focus is less on linear game and more about field process. The next step is to simply do, and I am and have been doing, so I'll just keep doing.

I'm not concerned with improving small errors at this point. My primary concern is to push my self farther than I've gone before. I know that if I have done things once that I can do them again in confidence. So when I get used to kissing, kissing will come easy and it will be one of the first places I go when I escalate. This will dramatically increase my pick up ratio. And I will get used to playing game at a much higher level.