I've been gaming this girl who I knew in high school for a week and a half, were freshman in college now. We hung out in high school, she liked me but it never went anywhere and we never hooked up.
This all started when I got her number through a Facebook message.

-Here is the full text conversation. Read it, critique it, tell me what I could have done better, wjat is going on her, any opportunities I missed, and what I can do to avoid this? It will be greatly appreciated.

HB: Hey is this My name?
ME: Yeah
HB: Hey! It's Her Name what are you doing?
- I waited until the next day to write back ( Probably not a smart move since its the first time we have talked in a year :/ )
ME: Sorry I just got my phone back, Whats going on Her Name?
(She didn't respond for a few hours)
ME: I know you have a lot of guys texting you but we both know mines more important
ME: And I have something important I need to ask you. ( I didn't have anything to ask her I just wanted to get her attention, I thought she was not going to text back at all, so i used this to grab her attention)
HB: Hahaha sorry I overslept :/ but yes? Ask away
ME: Are you still skipping school!?
HB: Haha noooo I just didn't get any sleep last night
ME: Up late doing something you weren't supposed to do?
HB: Haha nope I've been good, I was working on a paper
ME: I don't belivie that the Her Nmae I used to know is being good...
HB: Yes yes I am! I got to know you my wild crazy time in life haha i've grown up
HB: But what was your question?
ME: I hope so... I really don't get along with girls who do hard drugs. Its kind of an important question, i'll have to talk to you about it in real life
HB: Yeah I don't mess with that stuff anymore but just give me a hint! haha
ME: Here's your hint: both me and you are involved. Any guesses?
HB: Not a clue haha
ME: That's a lame response. I'm going to bed. Goodnight
( No response)
ME: (This is the next day) Your phone probably died and that's why you didnt tell me goodnight. Ill take initiative and start the conversation, what are you up to Her Name?
(still no response)
ME: Hey, what are you up to?
HB: Hey just watching a movie what are you doing?
ME: Kickin it with my boys. Trying to figure out what I'm going to do this weekend. What movie?
HB: You go to My College right?
HB: And adventureland my favorite!
ME: Yea
ME: That's a great movie, I love Ryan Reynolds in it. Are you a big Kristen Stewart fan?
HB: I know me to! And noo I like Jessie Eisenberg haha
HB: But do you like it there?
ME: Gross you like that akward kid? yea i love it. its so much better than high school in so many ways, its been fun but College i'm transferring to is going to be better
HB: Yess!! I love him haha ahhh I cannot wait to graduate and be out of town she lives in now but whats in town of the college im transferring t?
ME: It's a college in new city that i'm going to for my internship. I'm going to bed I have a student government meeting in the morning. I'm coming home this weekend I'll text you then. Goodnight
HB: Oh my gosh that sounds so awesome!! You'll have to tell me more about it tomorrow but okay goodnight!
(waited two days)
ME: (2 o'clock) je suis mademoiselle
(no reply, texted again at 12 that night)
ME: Does it always take this long to write back or do you just like teasing me?
(No reply, Until 5 in the morning)
HB: My Name! Are you still up?
ME: No (wanted to show her that I was up that way a hook up could still be possible)
HB: (This was her last reply at 5 in the afternoon the next day) Sorry I didn't text you back the other day I was super suppppppppperrrrr busy what are you doing?

-What should I say?

she didn't play you... your text game is just really bad!!

First you cut her way to fast, you didn't build any rapport with her before cutting her for the night usually you make sure you cut the conversation when the conversation is really good like that you leave her with a good impression and she'll be anxious on when you will talk again.

2nd you are way to serious in your conversation with her and you are judging the girl on "bad" behavior and "we need to talk in real life" about her drug issue... I mean that's not the way to make the girl feel attracted or comfortable with you!

Man I could keep on... there is a lot of bad stuff you are doing... make text game fun and enjoyable and use them only to set up your date... when you text her, make sure that you set up a date! Neg her... make a bit fun of her... make her smile or laugh... and set up a DATE and boom done.

She was prolly interested because she texted first but, it's obvious she lost her interest because of not only you kept on cutting the conversation with her saying good night way to fast before building ANY rapport... but there is nothing fun or any rapport building in ur texts!

Awfull text game. Stop telling her you give a damn when she doesn't respond to you!!!! That's where she sees your wekness! You seek validation when she doesn't text you for a couple of hours...she thinks you must be needy as fuck if you get frustrated because she didnt respond to your lame text. If you're needy for a text..how needy are you when you'll see her? 10 times more needy and she can smell that..also you're texts are really really boring as hell man. Spice it up a little bit and stop responding to her after each time she responds. DO push pulls..respond to her really quickly than wait a little bit like 30min than re-start..VARIATE your stuff you're coming off as needy and boring

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God I hate text messages so much. They have to be the most boring way to try and game a girl and get her out on a date. I defy anybody who tells me a single ounce of rapport can be build on a device that beeps before displaying a bunch of meaningless words. Each message carrying with it a stench of neediness and playful tripe called banter.

Get her on the phone AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. A good way to do it is as soon as she texts you call her phone. She can't ignore it as you now know she has the phone in her hand. When she text you saying "hey its her name what you doing" you should have called straight away.

People always like to know when they are going to be called so they can mentally prepare. Calling her straight out of the blue like that gives her a little shock and increases the energy. She'll be used to hiding behind her text messages and having guys ASK if she wants to talk some time.

It's all ALPHA dude.

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It's boring because you suck at it. Text game is one of the most easiest and fun ways to build attraction and rapport. Once you know how to use it, it's fucking mind blowing what you can do with it. It's a great way to do push pulls, tease, break rapport, create HUGE amounts of rapport, testing for compliance, testing for investement and a lot more
DO NOT DO THIS! Do NOT call a girl at the early first texts you have in your interaction! Why? Because numbers are shit. Numbers do not equal dates..a girl gives out a lot her number and it takes skill to get day 2's. When you know that a girl is investing in your texts than you know you can call her and she will not feel OBLIGATED to answer the phone. If she feels OBLIGATED to talk to you, you're out..you just lost a huge amount of attraction. You need to get her invest in your text conversation. Once you know she's investing, you know she's likely to comply to your call and she will be happy about it. HOWEVER, during the early stages of your interactions, you do not know if she's investing in you, therefore by calling her you're making ALL IN. If she doesn't respond, you are out and if she responds, if she doesnt have a lot of atraction, she will feel obligated to talk to you and you lose it

(there are always exceptions, but not do what this guy just said..his inexperience in text game and game in general is reflected by the way he talks about it)

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Otto Ham there you go. You now have two pieces of advice. You can either do what this guy does and personally attack people, or you can do what all good PUA's do and put it into practice and see what really works. Remember the field has the answers and the only way to truly find if it works is to put these things to the test and see what happens.

My advice is still the same. A girl will respond better to a guy that is talking to her rather than sending her text messages. You also want to get her out on a date as soon as possilble.

Good luck.

Oh and Valentyn, in August 2011 you said you were a 19 year old virgin just getting into the game. It's now March 2012. Please don't play the experience card with me.

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Well I'm sorry but on this one, I have to take valentyn side... but hey everybody is different! Everybody has a different game... I always always use text to interact with girls that I just met. I think I do build rapport with the girls and honestly there is ways to make it really fun and enjoyable... I even invented games that I play with girls... A couple years ago, calling was the thing to do... nowadays, I met a lot of girls who didn't like that much talking on the phone... I've met girls who completly told me: I hate talking on the phone... but she would text me for over an hour instantly no problem. I'm not saying there is no girls who likes to be called, I'm sure there is still a lot of them... but what I am saying is texting works and usually I think it's much easier to set up a date through texts when you just met someone!

Usually what I do is start texting, if it's fun and enjoyable, I will text a bit more, and when the texts are going really well, I'll set up the date and tell her bye.

If I see that the texts aren't crazy fun, then I'll just make sure that I set up the date fast and cut the conversation. Then when I meet the girl, as you get to know her better, u can find negs to use on her and make fun of her a bit and usually text gaming gets much better after.

You do not know my life dude. I didn't got in game at 19 years old..I had pretty much good natural skills before that and for multiple reasons that I'm not going to explain here I just didn't had sex before. Me being a virgin before does not have any connection with my current game level. And I'm really sorry bro..but seriously..I hang around with guys who are in The Game by Neil Strauss..I hang around with Cliffort, Zan and I'm seeing Tenmagnet from LoveSystems this sunday. If you really think that obligation like that creates attraction or that texting is not a tool to build attraction and rapport...than I'm sorry but you don't have a lot of experience. Period. And let me guess..you get numbers but you dont get day 2's. I'm pretty sure about this..if you would know how to get day 2's you will know that the stuff you said are really not good. It's text book game principles that I explained above. Not rocket science. It's a principle called investement and you can easily create and see the level of investment a girl has towards you. If she doesn't have a lot of it..you better create some because if you call..gues what? You're going to fail..you don't believe me? Maybe thats why you're not getting day 2's..keep trying to do it like you said and you will get maybe 1 date out of 4 numbers. I NEVER get flaked on..

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Linebacker30

Thanks for the constructive feedback. Some good points there which I've noted. Yes it's certainly personal preference but I have personally found that when you start texting a girl she goes into game mode and purposefully delays her response as not to seem too eager. This means the emotions your text message creates die by the time she is texting you back. You can’t build on them and get her into the cool state where she really enjoys chatting to you. It's important to remember that ALL guys who get her number will start to text message until the time is right to ask her out. If you ask her "what you up to" and she text back "just having a lazy day at home" she has cornered herself into having to pick up the phone. When you do call her she may be worried that she's going to get caught in a long boring conversation with a guy she hardly knows but this when you use a phone FTC like "hey I can't talk for long I'm seeing my friend Sarah in 10 minutes" then have a short fun conversation. You end the phone call first but make sure you leave when the energy is high. I'm not going through all my routines here but I assure you they work much better when I get her on the phone.

The way Otto Ham started off his interaction was this:

HB: Hey is this My name?
ME: Yeah
HB: Hey! It's Her Name what are you doing?

SHE contacted HIM. This is why I said call her so early on in the text interaction. Her mind was ready for a nice comfortable text interaction where she can tease him by not responding or think about what she is going to say to having the phone start ringing. All he had to do was say "Hey listen I can't talk for long I'm on my way out. I don't do text conversations I'm free Friday and was thinking of going blah blah, come along and we'll have a catch up, you can buy me a coffee"

Trust me dude it cuts out all the bullshit texting and is very direct.

It's all about short circuiting these girls and doing the things other guys are always too scared to do before trying to build rapport. Also remember what you do at the point where she gives you her number is VERY important.

Valentyn, love you baby. Keep up the good work!

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You only say this because you don't have a good understanding of text game..you are more than wrong here..I number closed a hot girl 2 weeks ago and we couldn't see eachother because either me or her was busy and my emotions did not die at all with her. I number closed her in 4 min..I didnt even have time to build any rapport or connection at all. Yet through texting, I created investement, and a LOT of rapport and connection. Stop being offended by what I say..remove your big ego from your equasion it does not help you. You can ask the thing that I just said to any good pua he will know that what I'm saying is not bullshit. Texting is a great way (if you know how to use it) to build attraction and comfort

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Here's for you bro..coming from one of the best PUA's in the industry:

"For months I would go out and get a bunch of phone numbers, only to have most,
if not all,, turn into nothing. It was the same thing every time - I either found myself nervously talking to a girl’s
voicemail or calling a girl and awkwardly getting off the phone with her minutes later, having murdered any attraction
that she once had for me. The problem was that I had NO understanding of what it took to convert a
phone number into something tangible"

This is what he also said

Texting first is preferred because:
• The first text can be used to immediately capitalize
on the emotional momentum from the first meeting,
by using carefully planned Callback Humor.
• Text communication requires low investment and
represents a low social pressure situation through
which she can communicate with you.
• By making that first text a playful statement, you
come across as non-needy and allow her to relax
and play along.
• You can take the time to calibrate your responses
based on the level of investment and positive/negative
reaction that you get from her texts.
• She can’t always pickup when you call and every
time she doesn’t answer it costs you emotional
momentum. Texts can be read and responded to
at any time.
With all of this in mind, for the majority of situations, it pays to send a series of ‘low investment’ text messages before you
make your initial phone call. This can mean the difference between success and failure with a woman you have just met.
After getting a woman to invest through a few initial text messages and slowly getting her comfortable with the idea of communicating
with you, the phone call becomes a lot less of a big deal. Equally important, once value and comfort is built over
text, the margin for error increases dramatically when you eventually do talk over the phone."

"If, on the other hand, you meet a woman through a cold approach that
didn’t last very long, it is likely that she has low investment. If that is the
case then the chances of her answering your call is not high."

By calling a woman that he had only known for 20 minutes, he placed all of his eggs in one basket for her
to either accept or reject his offer in one foul swoop.
Unfortunately, women are not always helpful in the first few phone calls until they get to know you and become more invested
in you. This puts the conversational burden on the shoulders of the man, which can create anxiety and nervousness. And in
turn, this nervousness may lead us to make foolish mistakes and sub communicate negative things.
What if instead, Peter had chosen to send a series of low investment text messages? He could have probed for investment
and quickly found out

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I only read a few of my brother's posts above, but here are some things I noticed:

1.) You are being arrogant/cocky at the wrong times. I normally show that attitude in a playful manner instead of a serious go-make-me-a-sandwich demeanor (specifically your first 3 texts)

2.) keep 'em short!

3.) Commenting on her not responding = lame

4.) to me texting is used for 2 things ---> funny shit and time-bridging. You can also flirt, but being direct usually ends in a fail (because the chick realizes you want something from her)

5.) Think of better responses to what she says. If she asks what you are doing say something very funny. Be sarcastic in a funny way (this is better in person tho).

Valentyn, it would take a lot for you to "offend" me on an internet forum. I was merely stating that a 19 year old who started this game less than a year ago as a virgin shouldn't be jumping to the conclusion that I am "inexperienced" and suck at text game.

Texting works for some people yes, I personally have had a much better response from getting her on the phone as soon as possible.

End of.

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hi otto,
from what I see you sort of blew her off to early, when she didn't really have a connection to you, you want her to be having a good time for the first little bit while texting you, just to get her invested enough to be interested in a meet up, once you have that investment, texting with you should seem more like a freeze for her and you should focus on just inviting her out (on the phone or text doesn't matter, if she is invested enough she is invested enough, but the phone puts a little more pressure on her, because she has to respond in real time)

when you are judging your text game, just play a little game with yourself, re-read your logs, and pretend you are her, and she is you, now think from her perspective on if you would enjoy having that conversation with her, if the answer is yes then cool, I think where you messed up with this one was not answering her back for a day, then when she was sort of butthurt about it, you asked her out too soon when she was still freshly irritated with you, but it is not the end of the word, just remember not to play with the negative emotions too much with a girl, before you play with the positive ones or have some investment, if you do, she may quickly start to associate negative emotions to you

after you bridge to the number,
text her asap to establish a frame of phone contact, but as soon as you can get her on the phone do it, you can even end your first day text conversation with, I'll call you on x-day, or w/e if she answers on x-day she is ready to be on the phone, if not, just give it 24 hours, and shoot her some more texts, and tell her to call you during your text interactions, if she will never get on the phone, then she is probably a waste of time, too much texting leads to texting buddies for life and will increase the chance she flakes, imo, you gotta find your balance, I think 1-2 days of texting after the close is enough, after that you should either sit back and let her invest and stop working for it, or you should call her, but if she is in some sort of unknown zone where you just want to keep checking her interest, don't contact much over one time a week, and have a goal in mind when you contact

a waste of time will be a waste of time, no point in hunting her down, unless for some reason you think you are going to marry her or something