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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:36 pm 
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I want to share with you one of the biggest breakthroughs I had in my development...

When we get into pickup, the language helps break down the entire process into a bite size structure. This is beneficial to begin with.

However lets look at the terminology;

Approach, Target, Open, Close, Sets, Disarm, Field Report, Wing-man...etc

We position ourselves in a metaphysical battlefield where the woman becomes the opposition; - we then adopt a command and conquer mentality, where we must DEFEAT her in order to WIN her.



You may argue that these words are simply semantics, but that's not the case - the labels we put on things changes the meaning and our behaviour changes.

Let me explain, when we were young we would fall over and get up again.  Each time we fell, we experienced a mini failure which we took as ‘positive’ feedback and we calibrated until eventually we were up on two feet.  As we grew up we the word failure became a bad thing, and we were conditioned to believe failure must be avoided.  Therefore, the meaning of words is everything.

It may seem innocuous to use even the word 'Approach' - however when we use it, we are reinforcing at an unconscious level there is some form of risk or danger. We inherit a Success/Fail frame on every interaction, and the girl can feel that you want to defeat her by acquiring something from her.

To suggest a girl needs to be ‘Opened’, is reinforcing the fact that she is presently closed off to you and you are not currently worthy of her attention, and you have to to take calculated steps to break through her armour. Think about the sorts of things you open, a door, a present, a treasure chest.  It suggests they are the prize and we must work to gain something from them.



If we want to become successful with women, it is essential we lose this detrimental language and we start viewing women as women, not as objects.

We PLAY with them not WORK against them.

The pua lingo also  exacerbates simple unconscious processes into difficult conscious processes.
For e.g I asked one of my clients to get me a beer from behind the bar.
as he was walking off I said "Ive changed my mind, can you approach the bar, work around the obstacles, lock in, wait till you get a IOA (an indicator of availability from the barman), open him with a statement of intent to buy, then transition into the order, and close. As he started to panic i said 'OR you can just get me a beer!'

Now think about your interactions with women, you can either take these strategic steps, or you can ‘just get chatting’.

Think about this with everything we do comfortably without thinking; driving a car, doing up our shoe laces, locking the front door. Now imagine trying to do these things broken down into meticulous, sequential, conscious steps.

To reach a point of mastery, you must be detached from the outcome and must lose this strategic mindset. When I go into an interaction, I see all women as already open and I invite her into my energy.  I work on being the brightest most present, empathetic man i can be, which takes me out of my head and into the moment.

I refrain from using the PUA lingo as much as possible and as you get better, hopefully you will too, and notice the difference in your results.

"These thoughts did not come in any verbal formulation. I rarely think in words at all. A thought comes, and I may try to express it in words afterward." - Einstein

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:58 pm 
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hahahahahaha. This post is the joke of the day. You made my day dude! Thanks
i would write my detailed reply to this post shortly

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:40 pm 
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The terms (approach, neg, hook, qualify etc) are there to explain certain things. These terms not only help newbies to understand certain parts of the game but also help masters exchange info and explain things quickly. For example," i was qualifying her when she said me to wait and left" makes sense?
Now can you explain this in just a few sentences without using the term,"qualify"? And in a way that it makes perfect sense? These terms are a kind of short words to explain bigger concepts. So they are not only important but also useful.
And we should use these terms 100%. Here is the thing
mpuas went in field, worked hard, and realised how the social behaviours work, they also found the waypoints that happent in almost all interactions and then they defined terms for them, and they came up with a model (with terms to explain certain things) And what is a model? Its a rough outline of how the interaction is going to happen. You dont have to follow the model like a robot, its just there to give you a kind of guideline. New born kid needs a hand for support before he leans to walk on his own. The same way a newbie needs to know these terms and models as a guide to improves quicker following in the footsteps of successful people. After lots of practice as he develops his own understanding, he can decide what to keep and what to change.
Lets see why we needed terms and game models?
Some guys who were fairly successful with girls thought to share their way of gaming with others and they came up with terms and models (to give a clear understanding of their method) in some cases these terms are must known, as in mystery method.
These models and terms are there as a default understanding of the male to female interactions and based on that, you can develop your own unique style.
John i would be pure honest here, you are nothing more then a "i get lucky sometimes" guy. And specially after reading your post, i believe it more firmly.
Bullshit post!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:06 pm 
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I can see now why you get banned so often

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:29 pm 
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great post!

I agree, you learn quicker and do better when you just go out there and play. Its like sports, if you go out and over-analyze everything and think too much, your not going to perform your best; whereas if you dont think and just act naturally to your given situation, you'll often perform better and if you fuck up you'll eventually intuitively correct the problem yourself. While I think some the tips on the site are definitely useful and might bring to your attention some points that might otherwise have been overlooked, when you get out in the real world your most effective when all of that stuff is on the back-burner and your mind is clear.

All of my most joyous experiences and greatest successes didn't result from a highly analytical level of thinking, but by becoming completely enthralled by the moment.


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Great post John. I understand what you mean by not thinking and coming out with things to say on a whim while seducing them its an amazing feeling connecting with a girl and making her horny. My game is up and down and you've helped remind me what im doing wrong. A good point I think to make is if any guy wants to get to this stage its all about living the lifestyle and going out regularly otherwise you will revert back to your old self like me :/


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Great post John. I understand what you mean by not thinking and coming out with things to say on a whim while seducing them its an amazing feeling connecting with a girl and making her horny. My game is up and down and you've helped remind me what im doing wrong. A good point I think to make is if any guy wants to get to this stage its all about living the lifestyle and going out regularly otherwise you will revert back to your old self like me :/


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:02 pm 
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I disagree, before I got into PUA I was a virgin. Look at my join date, not too long ago. Since then I've developed way more than I thought possible in that amount of time.

You describe the process of picking up chicks as a set-up game, well if you are not happy with that, then adjust it so that it fits your personality. You don't have to work it step by step, remember to enjoy what you are doing and be playful with it. Otherwise you'll end up losing your personality.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:23 pm 
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John, you pointed out some very valid points, especially about semantics, it affects us way more than we're ready to admit. I think what you wrote is just a logical continuation towards natural game. Good post!

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