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Yooo daniel~~ I've been viewing your journal since your Day 0! Feel excited when seeing u grow every day! Keep it up! I and so many others will be happy for you as well!

I've been reading the Pick-up materials for 3 years intermittently, and I think it's time for me to stop since the more I read the more I got confused. It's about time to take action,eh? It just, my major problem is I am so terrified and uncomfortable of social rejection. Maybe I am too nice a guy that I always want to please others and lose my own personality... Sad...

Also, I have excuse for not picking up since I am still a univerdity student and shoud focus on study solely... I know it is lame but... Forget it.

Anyway!!! Keep going Daniel!! Proud of your progress! Feel like I am progressing as well reading your journel!
Thanks Fuwulo, I'm happy too.

You're right about reading material... I think reading it without putting yourself out there is not a good thing... The best was to learn what is good (or isn't) is to approach. I'm not saying I approached the girls with all the material in head... That's not the case. Yet, after approaching, I'm able to see what was good and what wasn't... Plus, the more situations you get exposed to, the more comfortable you'll get. I hope that one day, all this material will become natural. Practice makes perfect.

You should not be so terrified by social rejection.
1) You will not get rejected... (I've never been rejected since I started... the worse situation is when the situation gets weird... that's all)
2) If you get rejected once... what's the big deal?
Actually the best way to avoid social rejection is to be the alpha social guy with a strong inner game. If you're the damn guy out there, people will come to you... if not, you'll feel needy and have to come to the them. We have to flip the script.

Man, I'm about to graduate from my Business School and I feel like I have wasted my time when it comes to girls... There were so many of them, easy to attract... Man I'm sure you can handle studying and gaming girls.

Anyway thanks again!

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DAY 17: texting the HB9 of the other night.
Needing advice for text game.

Hi guys, as you might know, I've number closed a girl at a birthday party.

Things to know.
Here are some info about her... I'm not sure about everything... Music was loud or I can't remember or...
- She is not from Paris (I'm from Paris) = 100% sure
- I think she's returning to her hometown (don't know when though) = 60% sure
- She's leaving France at the end of the month to go 8 months by herself in South America = 50% sure (not sure about when she's leaving)
- She's damn beautiful = 100%
- I number-closed her by saying we should be contacts on Facebook so we could see our photos of South America... I asked her family name and so but make her undersand that would be hard to find each other. "Oh wait, I have an idea, give me you phone number, I'll send you the link to my profile". She agreed...

What's new.
I asked some advice in the PUA chat and ended up by texting:
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Hey! Remind me how long are you staying in Paris. Daniel
I've been told that less is more when it comes to text-game. So I sent that to her to get the info I wanted. By the way, I sent a friend request on Facebook while waiting for the text reply. She has not accepted yet. Here's the text reply.
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Daniel who?
F*ck... Is she playing me? Is this a sh*t test? Can't she remember me?

What I'm thinking about doing.
1) GO ON
- Remind her who I am...
- Get the info
- Try to see her if she's still in Paris, eject if not.

2) EJECT
- Remind her who I am
- Telling her that I finally don't need to send her a link to my profile since I found her
- Telling her later that I wanted to know if she was still in Paris because I'm to see a good friend that goes to the same university as her and she migth know her.

My reply.
Here's what I'm about to send her as a reply.
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Daniel, the guy you met at **'s birthday who is going to Brazil.
Should I be more funny? 'lol'? Should I directly explain why I asked her if she's still in Paris?

I need your help guys!

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A quick update.

I sent that text:
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Daniel, the guy you met at **'s birthday who is going to Brazil. :p
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Oh sorry. I'm in the train to ***
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Ok. Ive finally found your profile, no need to send you a link to my Facebook. Enjoy your trip.
As an AFC, I would have qualified myself: I would have explained why I asked her if she was still in Paris. I did not and try to keep control. Anyway, I'll hope she'll accept my friend request.

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I think you should just FB for a while, when the conditions aren't in your favor don't go for it since you're still in the transitional phase. Focus on the next girl and continue working on your game. I know it's going to be hard for you to let go but I think it's for the best, anyways it's not always permanent you guys have a good chance on meeting each other again and you'll realize how small the world really is.

Btw when she texted you Daniel who? You sholda said Daniel Radcliffe you know Harry Potter? and tease her with something like "What you totally forgot my name? Wow you just lost total cool points..ect. ect. ect.

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I think you should just FB for a while, when the conditions aren't in your favor don't go for it since you're still in the transitional phase. Focus on the next girl and continue working on your game. I know it's going to be hard for you to let go but I think it's for the best, anyways it's not always permanent you guys have a good chance on meeting each other again and you'll realize how small the world really is.
Oh, don't worry. I'm not in a one-itis thing. I don't care if I see her again or not. Anyway, I'm not ready for that level (I'm not being negative but realistic... I've not enough experience, if I did, I would have kiss closed her). But truth is I was kind of surprise that she ask me "Daniel who?" because:
1) I can't see how she can't remember me... we spoke, KINOed... and I got her number the day before.
2) Maybe she know several Daniel (I did not give her my number)and wanted to know which one it was... the problem with that explanation is that Daniel is not my name. It's a nickname... and my name is not that common... There is 95% of chances I'm the first **** she met.

So I think I created attraction but was not in a seduction frame at that birthday party. I should have created a sexual tension so she understood that I was not only a friendly guy. Maybe she wanted to slow me down.
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Btw when she texted you Daniel who? You sholda said Daniel Radcliffe you know Harry Potter? and tease her with something like "What you totally forgot my name? Wow you just lost total cool points..ect. ect. ect.
That's a good one again... Thanks for your feedbacks... It really helps me... You show me in what state of mind I have to be when interacting with a target. Next time this situation occurs, I'll know what to do.

Tomorrow, I'm seeing the old HB7 friend of mine. We're going to have a drink. She has a boyfriend but I managed to KINO her a lot... I would like to focus on sexual tension to practice (I failed that part with the incredible HB9).

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Hey man, like some of a lot of people in here are saying, Props on the N-close. Really glad for you, you're making a lot of progress man. You're doing an awesome job, keep it going.

For the girl - Don't text her too much. If I can say one thing at best - It is that my text game is problebly one of my strengths. I never ever failed with it before. Though, like you see, the girl is keeping her texts short with you so she is kinda keeping it low-profile, lack of interest.

My advice for this one - show even less interest. Don't wish her have fun or something. Just say.. "Okay w/e." Don't go like all friendly to her. Be a bit of a douche, more response in her text. Trust me about it.

Nice growing mate, keep it up!
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Hey man, like some of a lot of people in here are saying, Props on the N-close. Really glad for you, you're making a lot of progress man. You're doing an awesome job, keep it going.
Thanks man! I'm glad I made it even if there's no opportunity with her. She accepted my friend request though.
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For the girl - Don't text her too much. If I can say one thing at best - It is that my text game is problebly one of my strengths. I never ever failed with it before.
Thanks for the advice man. I won't over text a girl anymore. I'll keep it simple and short. I won't ask but demand respectfully.
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Though, like you see, the girl is keeping her texts short with you so she is kinda keeping it low-profile, lack of interest. My advice for this one - show even less interest. Don't wish her have fun or something. Just say.. "Okay w/e." Don't go like all friendly to her. Be a bit of a douche, more response in her text. Trust me about it.
Yeah, I think I failed creating a sexual tension between us. I did not tease her. I think that was a good first attempt though: I had KINO, smile and enough compliance to get the number. I'll be better next time anyway. You're right about showing her even less interest, I have to try to keep control, sending her short messages, waiting for her to make the steps.
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Nice growing mate, keep it up!
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Thanks LD! I'm going there and I won't stop.

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DAY 18: dealing with the friend zone.
Loving to play the game.

Hey guys, I'll keep it short for your comfort. This afternoon I met with the HB7,5 I used to be in love with when i was 16 (DAY 14 5-vt81510.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60 ) . We had a drink together.

The friend zone.
I've seen a really good video about the friend zone that was posted by Hobbit get-out-of-friend-zone-afc-adam-vt60130.html It really helped me since I understood that the friend zone is all about comfort and the player zone was all about teasing. Basically, if you want a relationship with the girl, you need to find a balance between teasing and building comfort.

Here's what I've understood from AFC Adam's video:
FRIEND ZONE: you've built comfort but there's no attraction.
PLAYER ZONE: you've built attraction but no comfort.
RELATIONSHIP: you've found a balance between comfort and attraction.

My goals.
I'm clearly in the FRIEND ZONE, she is enough comfortable with me. So my goal was to build attraction today. Correct me if I'm wrong but attraction comes from giving attention at one moment, and being totally indifferent the next minute. Knowing that, here are the points I wanted to focus on:
- KINO: KINOing when she gives me what I want, stopping when not.
- Push/Pull: building rapport vs. breakin rapport, negs...
- Eye contact: maintain vs. breaking

In field.
Once again, I'm not writing everything... Don't want to make it boring for you guys. So here's the key points.

LAST DRINK.
The last time we saw each other (DAY 14 5-vt81510.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60 ) I wanted to create attraction too. I KINOed her a lot and showed me some great IOIs. We also spoke a lot about her boyfriend being too much of a nice guy (and how that was a problem).

MY RULES.
She offered me to drive me to the mall. I refused and told her I would meet her directly there (short text messages). That might sound stupid... but having her coming to get me looks like a DLV to me. I was 5 minutes late when I got at the rendez-vous point.

ME PLAYING GAME.
I was relaxed and alpha. I was social with the cashier and even with a guy in the restrooms. I sat comfortably (leaned back) at the café and was clearly enjoying myself. The push/pull thing was awesome. We sat and started to speak. I tried to give her attention when that was interesting (KINO, eye contact, ...) and be totally indifferent the next minute. That actually worked well. I've even interrupted her several times when the conversation was not interesting to me (asking something about the shoes of another girl in the café, going to the toilets, playing with my phone). Every time I pushed her, she came back to me and try to grab my attention.

DISMISSING HER BOYFRIEND.
Last time we saw, we spoke about her boyfriend being a nice guy, how it was a problem and how she should speak to him (her idea as a result of our conversation). I was really surprised but she actually spoke to him and got confused. Indeed, last time I asked her if she was in an exclusive relationship before talking about her too nice boyfriend. She spoke about that with him, probably got confused and told him she might want a non-exclusive relationship! The guy is such a nice guy that he had not even been mad about it. lol. Anyway, she did not manage to let him know what it was all about: she needs him to stop to be the nice guy he is. She's even congratulated me on understanding that being a nice guy kills attraction.

GETTING IOIs:
She gave me a bunch of IOIs:
- Let me KINO her as hell: bottom of her back, her hands, her knees, her shoulders...
- She KINOed me back: on my hands
- She touched her hair.
- She leaned in to speak with me.
- She tried to know if I was single: she misunderstood something I said and asked me "you're seeing someone?".
- ...

BUILDING SEXUAL TENSION.
I tried to buid a sexual tension by making her imagine us having sex.
ME: *talking about 16yo teens that fuck during holiday camps (she used to do that as a summer job)* We were not like that back in the days... There was nothing like that when I was 16...
HB7,5: ahahaha *laughing*
ME: Oh, we knew each other at that time... You were not into that at that age too... nothing happened, especially between the two of us. (really bad translation from French, sorry)
HB7,5: ahaha.

THE FRAGRANCE EPISODE.
After our drink, she wanted to go to Sephora so I went with her (I've not accepted it right away). She started to check women's fragrance and I negged her on the on she likes and showed her the fragrance I loved: Viktor & Rolph's Flower Bomb. I told her that this perfume turns me on and she actually put some of it in her neck. Isn't that a damn IOI? Later in the car:
ME: It smells damn good in your car. That's the fragrance I've showed you. I love that fragrance.
HB7,5: Yeah... I'm kinda embarassed though.
ME: Embarassed... why?
HB7,5: ... (30 seconds looking at her while she was driving)
ME: I've asked why are you embarassed ... I guess you've not heard it.
HB7,5: ... I heard it, I was pretending not to...
ME: Oh you're that embarassed... You should turn right.
She was going in the wrong direction so the conversation ended here.

RECEIVING A TEXT MESSAGE.
30 minutes after being home, she sent me:
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Mmmm. I smell good! It was a nice afternoon. See you.
Of course I am not answering.

How I feel.
F**king good! It feels good to be in control, to be a man, to attract. Plus, the incredible HB9 has accepted my friend request on Facebook.

What I've learned.
- The push/pull technique is awesome: giving attention and being indifferent right after is really powerful.
- It's easy to lose a girlfriend when you're AFC: she dismissed so much her boyfriend. I would have never tolerated that from my ex-girlfriend.
- I love playing.

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THE FRAGRANCE EPISODE.
After our drink, she wanted to go to Sephora so I went with her (I've not accepted it right away). She started to check women's fragrance and I negged her on the on she likes and showed her the fragrance I loved: Viktor & Rolph's Flower Bomb. I told her that this perfume turns me on and she actually put some of it in her neck. Isn't that a damn IOI? Later in the car:
ME: It smells damn good in your car. That's the fragrance I've showed you. I love that fragrance.
HB7,5: Yeah... I'm kinda embarassed though.
ME: Embarassed... why?
HB7,5: ... (30 seconds looking at her while she was driving)
ME: I've asked why are you embarassed ... I guess you've not heard it.
HB7,5: ... I heard it, I was pretending not to...
ME: Oh you're that embarassed... You should turn right.
She was going in the wrong direction so the conversation ended here.

RECEIVING A TEXT MESSAGE.
30 minutes after being home, she sent me:
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Mmmm. I smell good! It was a nice afternoon. See you.
Of course I am not answering.

How I feel.
F**king good! It feels good to be in control, to be a man, to attract. Plus, the incredible HB9 has accepted my friend request on Facebook.

What I've learned.
- The push/pull technique is awesome: giving attention and being indifferent right after is really powerful.
- It's easy to lose a girlfriend when you're AFC: she dismissed so much her boyfriend. I would have never tolerated that from my ex-girlfriend.
- I love playing.
I think shes embarrassed because shes not able to make you like her like in the good ol' days. Anyways great story now if you can do this to a stranger It'll be a different story. Keep it up AlmostPUADaniel!

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I think shes embarrassed because shes not able to make you like her like in the good ol' days. Anyways great story now if you can do this to a stranger It'll be a different story. Keep it up AlmostPUADaniel!
Yeah I'm totally happy with this situation... I have to be able to do that with strangers now. The Game must go on.

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Haha at this rate you will be a mPUA by years end. Keep it up man, am inspired all the way.

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Now is a good time to look back on you page 1 and compare with your latest pages. See the difference?

If that doesn't motivate you to keep on going when you'll have slumps (you will have them, trust me) I don't know what will!

Keep it up!

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@sliqaxe & @TheJ

Thanks guys! I've still a long way to go but I definitely have the feeling that I'm getting there :).

I've still a huge amount of work to improve my day game. I have to find some time and exercices to improve it. I need to be able to do that with strangers!

The Game must go on!

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Hi Daniel. I've just worked myself through this whole thread and it was worth it. There's a bunch of useful information and signs of great improvement here. Keep up the good work man I'll do my best too I promise so we can motivate each other ;)

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Hi Daniel. I've just worked myself through this whole thread and it was worth it. There's a bunch of useful information and signs of great improvement here. Keep up the good work man I'll do my best too I promise so we can motivate each other ;)
Thanks! I'm glad you appreciated this thread.
I've made some progress, I feel it, but I've to take it to the next level! You're ahead man but be careful I'm catching up with you :)

More seriously, let's do this! No matter what happens, we're going there.

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