Regarding the "istigator of crazy bitch attitude", I would have to think about it.
For sure, when I got the message, my first thought was "OMG since when I've become a stalker?".
I am pushy in a kind of way, sometimes I may be too pushy for sure (but that's part of the risk-taking attitude).
I thought about it and I really doubt that my attitude is the one of a stalker. I might, however, be an instigator of crazy bitch attitude.

Anyway, the only other time that something like that happened to me was a girl that blocked me on plenty of fish (but this is FAR FAR different).

It might even just be that my ex gf is experiencing some trouble in her life and overreacted to my message, maybe the trouble is exactly about her finishing school (that bring her a LOT of stress as I recall)...

Anyway, that is chapter CLOSED FOR ETERNITY now.
So, you want details. OK.

In the month I was in Italy I send her about 10 emails. The email were always playful and funny, and she always responded politely. The responses were not as good as I expected, they were kind of short, but they were ok.

When I went to Italy I didn't tell anything to my parents, and I ring the bell of my house and I filmed the reaction of my mom and my sister dealing with my presence after 8 months of separation. It was a sweet moment.
Then I sended the video to CouchsurferHB8.
this was a very nice thing to do, but it didn't trigger the reaction I expected, as she replied with a couple of lines polite email.

I also send her a package from Italy. since I know she likes cheese, I send her typical south Italy cheese and meat from my town. She recieved the package before I came back to Canada, and she was super-excited and even posted the picture of the cheese and the prosciutto on her facebook profile.

Yesterday anyway, she invited me to her house, and she is dating some guy that was there as well.

I don't know, she said she has been on something like 5 dates with him.
He is already making the "gardener" at her house, cutting the trees and cleaning the backyard. Lol.
On the other side, I might be friend-zoned at this point.

I think I need to sarge other girls as soon as possible otherwise I'm going to go mad

Anyway, thanks for the post kasabi

Tennis club desk girl

So I've been gaming this HB7 girl in the last couple of months.
This girl is very shy, she does not speak a lot, is always on the guard.

I have managed to create some comfort speaking to her at the tennis club. However, every time I try to set up a date, she finds some lame excuses, or she does not respond to the text.
I've been asking her out like 5 times in total, she always declined, sometimes with some pretty lame clearly made up excuses.
But other than the avoidance of the date, our conversation are always nice and smooth, and for this reason I still haven't labeled her as an official flake...

So, this is the last text convo I did with her:

Me: "The only thing we have no control in our lives is time. A human average is 28000 days... Is not that much if you think that the first and the last 3000 we have limited capabilities so, how did you decide to spend your share of the cake? Shyness and indecisions are luxury we can't afford "

TennisDeskHB7: "What are you trying to say? Lol"

Me: "I DARE you to have coffee with me today 8:30 at Starbucks near Chapters. Come on, show me some balls, babe! "

TennisDeskHB7: "Lol I would but I have to babysit tonight"

At this point I got pissed off, even if I think this time her excuse might have been legitimate, having all this rejections in a row kinda of upset me.
So, the next message might have been a mistake because I wrote it in an upset mode

Me: "That's it, that was my best shot... I am giving up on you, you play way too hard to get!"

She of course responded in a very defensive way, as expected.

The point here is
1) I liked my first two message, the combination of "live your life at fullest" + "I dare you to date me" was a pretty good idea. I really really thought I could get the date out of it.
2) I shouldn't say "I give up on you", I should just give up on her without saying anything... so maybe next time I go to play tennis, she would start some kind of "reconnection convo".

Lesson learned
Never send message when you're upset!

Wow, I guess you went with the opposite of 'aloof' . . . family videos and all . . .

Back off a little and offer her a few more shots. Get more numbers, get more dates. . .

Super Quick Update

For those who were following my journal, I have NOT given up!

In the last month I had to work... like... INSANE hours. I had everyday, 7 days a week, 16 hours shift for a big engineering project that need to be completed with a very strict and definitive schedule.

I had very few time to sleep, and even less time to do anything else. I gave up guitar, tennis and gym for this project. Of course temporary. I also given up approaching (as it requires a lot of spare time).

Now, FINALLY, we're almost done and I can start relaxing!

Time to pick up the old road, the hobbies and above all time TO PICK UP!

So, here I am again.

Super quick update, and a big question.

I am continuing sarging, and I have been having some success. Anyway, the road to improve is still very long.

So, I met this HB8 at a camp party. Kissed closed on the camp, due to a very nice game.
Then dated her on last friday, and managed to bring the girl back to my place and making out.

I was running a pretty solid game.

Then on saturday, she went on camp, and I went out clubbing with my friends.
What actually happened is that I was speaking to a lot of girls because I knew them, and I was flirtatious, but nothing happened other than speaking because I respect this HB8 and I really didn't want to mess up things. I didn't want to close, even if I had a couple of receptive girls on my sight...

The HB8 recieved three text messages and a voice male from her friends, cockblocking me like "you know your new date? He's picking up every girl passes by him" and stuff like that.

So I spoke to the HB8 explaining that I was only speaking to my female friends (that was actually true) and I didn't do anything wrong other than having fun with my friends on a saturday night.

She understand that there must have been some misunderstanding and overreaction from her friends, but now she doesn't want to date anymore.
Anyway, she is very polite, she always answer to my messages nicely, basically make me think this is not over yet.

So, I have several doubt on my mind

1) Even though I am on the right side, IT FUCKING LOOKS LIKE I have something to ask forgiveness. I mean, I didn't handle the situation well enought and I lost my frame. Now my frame is very "apologetical" (I never said I'm sorry or anything like that, but the situation is that one)

2) I don't think is game over here, even if I'm in damaged zone. I think the HB8 likes me. But of course, if her friends thinks I'm a douchebag, she can't date me. And I don't know how to win her friend over, since I don't even know what their names are...

3) There is a party going on next week, in her best friend house, I am invited. I can freeze out until the party and then pulling some rabbit out of my seduction hat.

4) If I start sarging NOW, she will be SURE that I am a cheating player, and that will be 100% game over.

Any considerations?

This is what I think of my comeback so far:

I will send her a flower, even if I am still in doubt about this gesture because is kinda of week, but the combination with the following message can create a very nice mix:
Any consideration?

Didn't manage to pull the trigger for handling her that message without meeting her.

So, now, I will freeze out and play dumb until the party next week.

There are going to be A LOT of girls at the party. I want to number close consistently...

I am still debate if I should game HB8 for a bit (toghether with the other girls), or if I should sarge only the other girls... At this point I don't know how much leverage I have left with HB8...

Ok, party field report!



I went to this girl party 1 hour far from my place.
To better understand the situation of the party, here is the list of the participants

HB8-Blonde: sled dog and host of the party
HB8-Brunette: girl I made out with 3 weeks ago and then being cockblocked hardcore by her friends telling her "I was picking up every chick at the bar on saturday night"
HB7-Cute: cute girl unknown to me before
HB7.5-Flake: crazy girl unknown to me before
HBFriend1, HBFriend2, HBFriend3, HBFriend4 - girls friend of mine, but not important to this report.

Ok, so my basic strategy was:
- being the soul of the party
- being polite with HB8-Brunette
- being seductive with sled dog HB8-Blonde, HB7.5-Flake and HB7-Cute
- close HB8-Brunette at the end of the night

So, I tried to be the soul of the party but I think I didn't really manage to do it properly. It was a high female concentration party, there were like 8 girls and 4 boys, and all the boys were AFC, only one of them was tall and muscular but still kinda of AFC.

Anyway, the girls took the lead for driving the party, and the sled dog was very aloof (not with me, in general, was away half of the time), so actually the party was not really a wild party.

Anyway, I managed to have a very confiednt talk with HB7-Cute, and dance salsa with HB7.5-Flake (lot of kino here) and teaching juggling to HB7-Cute and other girls including the sled dog HB8-Blonde. I was not the soul of the party but I was the ONLY man the girls can have fun with in a proper way, because all the other guys were really AFC.

Later in the night we went to a club.
I was sitting next to HB7-Cute, and next to her was HB8-Brunette (my target).
I started going deep into seduction with HB7-Cute. I run several routine, the cube, some patterning and always fractioning. When she was trying to speak with the other girls I "punished" her for not giving me attention (like I went to the bathroom without telling her anything, I imagined she turned and didn't see me).
With a little more work I would have closed HB7-Cute for sure.

HB8-Brunette, in the meantime, was going insanely crazy with this.
At some point she isolated me and told me: "FuckingItalian, please I need to go home, can you give me a ride?"

I immediately thought it was ON. SHE wanted to be isolated with me! This was perfect I can drive her home and close her in her place or something. The jealousy plot was working!

So I gave HB8-Brunette a ride home.

Then I made a stupid mistake that ruined everything: I assumed to be in later stage of seduction already. I thought it was really ON, while in reality she wanted to be seduced anyway, and I didn't realized it.

So I went to the kiss close without "building it up" and got negged hardcore. Then we started speaking and she was extremely confrontational and irrational. I could't make it work and it was starting pissing me off.

After half an hour of useless bullshit speaking, she told me that "I dont like you", which I knew it was kinda of a lie, so I stormed off and I drove back to my place (this was an other mistake because I could have gone to HB7-Cute and close her in the club, as she was really ready to be closed).

Every time I think about this it really bothers me, because for a little mistake I got negged hardcore and got pissed off and left.

Lesson leaned:
- NEVER TAKE THE SEDUCTION PHASE FOR GRANTED. Girls need to be seduced, even if you have history with them.

This is angry and pointless. This is unbecoming of a pua. Your goal is to bring her back to your bed. Lose the ego. You do not have to be 'logically correct'. You do not have to 'win a verbal match'. The goal is to fuck and fuck more.

Send her a flower if you want and tell her, "I hope your friends aren't jumping off a bridge any time soon and I hope you're doing well." Done. She's smart enough to figure this out.

Regarding your last post. . . this is great. You've figured it out. . . this is the difference between man and woman. Once a man screws a chick, he's already flicked the on switch and he's ready to go. A woman . . . if it's been a while, she still needs to be gamed. Yeah, it's a simple, abbreviated form of seduction but you still need to go through the steps to let her know that she's not just another cum rag, whore, slut, etc . . . boring shit really but what can you do? She's a girl . . .

Keep up the good work man! Very informative stories. I'm currently on vacation in Viareggio, so reading your stories makes it even more productive. How do you actually dress for the club? I know you mentioned wearing a nice shirt and even a suit with a fedora, but can you post a picture?? Always wanted to dress in a similar way but thought it was an overkill for the club.

Tuscany is an awesome place to sarge, and you're very close to the beaches, so I would suggest you should try some Daygame sarge... as you may have noticed, there are a lot of people in the streets during the day!

An other suggestion is: scope for cultural/town festivity party. In italian thery're called "Sagra", they are usually themed after a local food like "Sagra della salsiccia" or "Sagra del prosciutto". In those occasion, the WHOLE town go the main square of the city and party, usually with live music. These locations are much more sarge-oriented than the clubs! Stuck-up conversation is a no-brainer... just ask some girl about the food that the street vendor are selling

Regarding you suit at the club, well, lately is summer so I just dress with a nice shirt and, sometimes, a tie.

During the winter, my style is sometimes like:



BUT I found out that this is actually an overkill if you're sarging alone.
So, if you're with friends, you can go as crazy as you want. After all, you're having fun with your friend... so peacocking helps the fun!
If you're with female friends, there are no limits in peacocking. Your female friends will push you to the limits and you'll be the life of the party.

When sarging alone, I would avoid this and just keep it nice and clean...

Anyway, thanks for the love, man and good sarge with the beautiful italian ladies

Ok, I'm pursuing this HB7.5-Flake now.

Things are very smooth, I'm receiving some strong IOI from her (yesterday I send her a message, she called me for answering me, it was our first phone conversation).

Anyway, this girl has the attention span of a 10 year old. She keep forgetting things, she forget things I've told her few days ago (like, in which days of the week I'm free and what are my plan for the weekend), so the convo are always like:

She: "We should meet tomorrow maybe"
Me: "No, tomorrow I'm busy" (thinking: I've already told you that!)
She: "Ok, so what about the weekend? I might go with my dad at camp, but we can meet"
Me: "Ok, on sunday I'm going to a concert on the beach" (thinking: if you're going to the camp with your father, you CAN'T possibly come to the concert!)

Now, the thing is: I know she likes me and I know she wants to meet me. It's just that she seems always extremely distracted and NOT able to organize her life!

The only way that I think can work with her is: making plan on the spot.
Literally, calling her and say: "Are you free right now? I'm coming pick you up, we'll have dinner at my place".

Anyone?

So, I called up HB7.5-Flakey on saturday morning and asked her for an instant date, to come have lunch with me.

Me: "I know this little italian place, the food is delicious, the menu is cheap, even if the selection of dishes is not really varied, you will love it".

She accepted.
Of course, this italian place is my place.

Se was a little bit upset by the fact that we were eating in my place, but I kept my frame wonderfully saying: "Did you seriously expect that an italian guy will find something delicious in your canadian restaurants? You should have expected this!"

Anyway, during the date, this girl basically WAS NOT ABLE TO SHUT UP.
She was speaking and speaking and speaking.

Actually, I don't mind when girls are chatty. The important thing is that I can lead the conversation. If we're speaking about relationships, sex or travel and she's blabbering about those topics, I actually don't mind.

The problem with this girl is that she was basically JUMPING from one topic to a completely unrelated one in the blink of an eye.

She was even interrupting me when I was cubing her! I never had a girl behaving like that. It was a super-hard work for me to keep her in track. And, of course, I failed.

Every time I tried to build up some sexual tension for the kiss close, she immediately diverged into some other topic or whatever. Her body language was ok, but not really open.

So I gave up. At some point I just said: "You speak too much. If you want a man to make a move on you, he will find it impossible, because usually men need 10 minutes to build up some sexual tension before trying to kiss a girl."

After that she started to behave more "normally" but the time was over. I should have come up with this earlier in the date or something.

Anyway, she wants to see me again, maybe even tonight.

We'll see.

Dude let me guess, you live in BELGIUM?
Your description is so 100% Belgium.

Retarded ugly uneducated bitches without any sense of humor, but with a ' i am Paris Hilton' Bitch Shield. Playing waaaaay too hard than they are worth.
Also very very very narrow minded, almost like retards.

I'm sure Belgium is the worst place in Europe and even maybe in the world when it comes to PUA and just social life in general. I almost had to puke when i realised what kind of socially retarded arrogant people Belgians are, especially the Flemish part actually.

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The king or the devil?
Fuck knows... Maybe both =))

x egocentricfear
To be clear, in this quote I am referring to girls that go to university at Medical School or Law School. And I think this attitude is very common all over the world.
I am not in Belgium, I am in Canada and not in a big city...

Regarding the bitch shield, thanks to my new calm way of approach lately I found that it is actually more easy to break it down. Still, when I encounter a girl from Medical School or Law School, the bitch shield is higher that usual.
And weirdly, when I encounter a girl who is already a doctor or a lawyer, their bitch shield is NOT that high, at the contrary they're pretty chatty and open... So I guess this has something to do with "self-conciousness of their own value".
When they're in school, they think of themselves as VERY-high value, just because thay haven't worked in the real world yet (they live in the university shell), and they have imaginary dreams and delusional ambitions.
When they start working, they start understanding how the world run, and they put down their bitch shield high-value attitude...

Regarding the sense of humor, often still happens that I make a joke and the girls are watching me like "Why did you say that?". But this might just be because of my accent... I'm trying giving up sarcasm, because it looks like the girls here rarely get it...