Friday night with JACKAL and DON JUAN

This might be a long one. I arrived at the Paradise Forum and saw Jackal walking to me. As soon as he was close enough for me to hear him, he directed me to approach a girl. I ran up to a girl who was walking by herself and said "You are beautiful. I had to come here and meet you" She said thanks and I kept the convo going by talking about what she was doing and if she was from around here. She asked me a couple of questions about where I was from and related things. I asked for her number, but she said she had a boyfriend. I ejected. When I came back to Jackal, he pointed to other sets for me to do. After I did 2 of these direct approaches with no success, I was getting tired of failing again and again. It made me want to stop approaching.

Jackal approached a 2 set and brought me into it, but I didn't contribute much to the convo. He was leading it and doing pretty well. He knows how to keep it light. They left after a few minutes. Jackal and I began to walk down to New St. where the shops are. I began to try indirect a few times. I used "Who lies more" opener. However, it never got past the opener because I didn't know how to transition. At this point, I had done around 5 approaches.

As we continued walking, I started to do a bit better with the indirect method. I used the opener on a french girl and ended up walking with her for 5 minutes. It went pretty well, but Jackal said you should stop the girl instead of walking with her. I approached another girl with "Who lies more" and this girl told me throughout the conversation that I looked Jewish and that she thought I wanted some money when I first approached her. Jackal came into the set after 1 minute and totally took over, which relieved me. She talked to us for about 10 minutes. At the end, Jackal picked her up (literally). I takes balls to do that on the street with someone you've just met.

We met up with Don Juan, who just bought new shoes. I talked to him for a few minutes. Then, me and Jackal began to do approaches individually near Odeon Cinema. I did mixed direct and indirect for these next 5 approaches, with no success. It's tough to stop girls on the street, because usually they really have somewhere to go. At this point, I had done at least 10 approaches.

Next, we walked to the bar in Paradise Forum. In the bar, Don Juan did his first approach of the night, the first of many. I got a pen and paper from the bartender and started writing these sets down, so I could remember them later. We left the bar. I approached an asian girl, talked to her for a few minutes (but I walked with her), and got her number. I'll text her soon.

Next, we went to Broad Street. We went to high class bar. Don Juan and I approached 3 girls and I said "Do you want to have a (counting up the people) 1 2 3 4 5some?" They said no. I tried to ask for their names, but they seemed angry. Don Juan used a cheeky line on a girl and she said "Fuck off". It was pretty funny. Outside the bar, Don Juan approached 2 more sets. He was on a roll. We left that bar and went to another one. This is the bar that Jackal made me do mixed sets and get over my fear of doing them. I did them, asking people the best place to go on Broad St., and it went well. But I only asked one set their names. I always hesitate about asking names because then it shows that I'm trying to meet them and not just get info from them. Jackal pushed me out of my comfort zone.

Me and Don Juan walked Jackal near his car and said goodbye to him. Then, Don Juan and I got something to eat and then made our way to Snob's. I did 10 approaches in the club. Most went badly, I asked girls if they wanted to dance with me. They said no. But one of them went really well. Me and Don Juan approached a 2set and I said "Do you want to dance with us?" and one of them said "why would we want to dance with you?" I replied "Because we're cute guys". After that, she started talking to me really close. Instead of shouting at me, she talked to me right at my face. After a minute of that, I asked again if she wanted to dance and she obviously did. I took her hand and spun her around. Then, we went to the dancefloor and danced next to each other, but I wasn't grinding on her. I didn't escalate and things felt like they were going badly, so I bailed and left the dancefloor. A few minutes later, I see that girl talking to Don Juan at the bar so I approached her again and started talking to her about where she's from and where she works. I said I didn't believe that she was working on her PhD, in a teasing way. I took my phone out and asked her to put her number in it because I wanted to call her outside of this place, but she didn't want to. She wanted me to dance first (and we were at the bar at this time). I said no, and we had this faceoff. I ended up doing a stupid dance and she just laughed at me. After that, I noticed I was leaning in and she was locked in, so I took her hands and flipped us around so I was the one leaning back. I said "What would you do if I kissed you right now?" She said she would lean back because she doesn't know me well enough. I leaned in and she leaned back. I tried to turn the tables on her about the kissing by asking if she had any diseases. That way it looked like I was the hesitant one. However, this was a big mistake. She got offended and thought I was calling her a loose woman. She said I messed up my chances with her. She left me. Keep in mind, during this ENTIRE interaction, she was as close to me as possible and she seemed attracted the whole time. This never happens to me. I can't believe I even got a girl to come with me to the dancefloor.

Don Juan and I each did 10 sets in the club. He did really good last night. I did around 30 sets over the course of the entire night. I feel like I'm making a bit of progress.

SATURDAY NIGHT OUT WITH DON JUAN, JACKAL, AND VOLCANO

Opener: Hey guys, I need a quick opinion on something. Do you think it's ok to break up with someone through a text message?

*they answer*

The reason why I ask is because one of my friends was broken up with through a text message and our group of friends was arguing about whether it was ok to do that.

Routine: Gay Cats story (this can easily be found online)

I decided that I would start learning the Mystery Method, so I picked one opener and one routine to get started. I met up with Jackal, Volcano, and Don Juan at the Paradise Forum.

1) walking 2set (foreign girls) - I ran text message opener. They said it was wrong to break up with someone over text. Then they left immediately.
2) walking 2set - I ran text message. They said it was wrong. Don Juan came in, and I introduced the girls to him. Then, I tried to transition with "Have you ever seen a gay cat?" They said "we gotta go" and walked away.
3) girl walking by herself - I ran the opener. She stopped walking to listen to me. She agreed it's wrong to do it. Then, she walked away because I didn't transition.
4) girl walking by herself - I tried to stop by saying standing in one spot and when she was walking by, I said "Can I get a quick opinion on something?" She looked at me as she was walking, but didn't stop to talk.
5) walking 3set - I stopped them with the opener, but they gave a 1 word answer to it and then started walking away. I need to figure out how to transition.
6) At Slug's on Broad St., a sitting 3set - I tried to run the opener, but it was so loud in there. When I finally got it out loud enough, they said it was wrong to do it. I stood there for a few seconds not knowing what to say next, the I ejected.
7) outside of the bar: girl walking in my direction - when she was a few feet in front of me, I stopped her and said
Me: You are absolutely gorgeous, I had to come talk to you
Her: Thank you (but she looked a little apprehensive)
Then, I got her name and told her mine. I asked her where she was going, She said she was going to a nearby bar to meet some friends. I basically said to her "I'm here with my friends, you have friends to see. Let's not interrupt that, but I want to talk to you away from here. Let me get your number." She said ok and I got her number.
8 ) walking 4set - I ran the opener, but instead of stopping them, I walked with them. They gave a quick answer and then talked about my accent and we talked about where I'm from and all that. Then, I ejected.
9) walking 2set - "Are you going to Cafe Rouge?" They said "yeah, we're going there". I said "that's where my friends are". Then, I ran text message opener. They didn't even answer. They just ignored me, so I walked back to Volcano and Don Juan.

Then, I went to Snob's with Don Juan and Volcano. We took turns approaching sets. I went first.

10) standing 2set - I ran the opener. They answered me, then walked away. I think I face girls too head on when I approach. My body language is direct, but my opener is indirect.
11) I give the Apocalypse opener a go. A girl alone at the bar. She said she would not go home with me. She said she was waiting for someone. I ejected.

I did a lot of avoiding in the club. 2 approaches is not enough.

sounds good guys, it will be interesting to meet you slick, im gaming so hard at the minute, 6 nights a week in clubs, cant wait to game with you guys in the club, hopefully i should be on a massive momentum role then haha.

Focusing a lot of sub communications, non-verbal basically, realizing that the words really dont matter to a large extent. My most successful opener is just kind if shouting at them 'who ARE you', while focusing on the tonality.

Sounds good man. I'll try that sometime.

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Saturday Afternoon with JACKAL, VOLCANO AND DRAGON

Yesterday afternoon while out with a friend of mine doing some approaches, I randomly ran into Volcano and Dragon (I was really impressed by his enthusiasm as a newbie) out doing some street game in victoria square (I say randomly but once you’ve been exposed to this community you develop a quaint eye for spotting fellow guys doing this PUA stuff). We had a brief conversation intro’s, where they were at in game .etc. Just explaining to the guys that I was not so much a newbie however a guy who heavily got into game about 3/4 years ago doing both night game and direct day game in London ,but realised for myself back then that this just had to be a personal commitment to holistic self-improvement in general. Pick up and getting good with women could not give me want I was looking for. Since I left the community (I don’t know if you ever leave more like take a sabbatical) I just really committed to my own self-improvement, dealt with a lot of inner game stuff, developed my lifestyle and generally became a better principle centred man outside of the confines of the PUA thing.

So Volcano told me there were meeting a much more experienced guy later (Jackal) who was really good especially at pushing guys out of their comfort zone. I was on board, so we met up with Jackal in St Paul’s square. He came across as a guy who was seasoned, had a good authority about him (which I really appreciated especially where I am at just getting back into it, because I have been out with guys in the past were sarging turn’s into guys chatting and not really approaching). From there we headed into the city centre where Jackal pointed outed out sets on our way to the Bullring for me to approach. I approached about 4/5 sets on our way; in a lot of the sets I got good responses; however I was ejecting from sets far too early. Certainly early on I was happy to approach without too much AA and open. The interaction thereafter was secondary to me, I had got comfortable opening and Jackal pushed me to go for number closes in each set to get used to getting numbers.

I did a few more approaches outside the Bullring and the Arcadian. All in All I should have done about 20 approaches in the 2 hours or so I was out with Jackal, Volcano and Dragon.

I will have more breakdown and informative field reports once I start to go out ‘officially’ with these guys.

I enjoyed being out with you guys and really appreciated how much you pushed me. I’m looking forward to learning with you guys again.

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Dragon field report 3

The one thing I really was aiming to improve this week was my conversational skills because last week when I went out with the jackal. he highlighted that my approaches needed to last longer so when I get the numbers I would have a better call back ratio . This lead to being more memorable enough so i dont have to go reintroduce my self AGAIN through text messages.

Before meeting volcano today I made a point to get some practice in. So I when to town waited like 30 min for courage build so I can approach this bulgarian girl . We had a nice conversation that lasted for ten min . Another approach I did was with his mixed raced girl ( who by the way was HOoOt) in the conner of the library reading book. Yet again I took while to approach but finally bid, and am glad I did we had nice conversation about English literature, movies, london , uni within 10-15 min. I didn’t ask for her number because I like to think I was just exercising my linguistic skills. ( I probably pussied out )

At front of central library I met up with volcano. We talked for while, than volcano decides to have a walk around to find some sets because the ones we kep seeing were with their boyfriends. Volcano has similar problem as me, when it comes to doing first approach because I feel like that first approach will set the pace for the rest of the day . But we got through it , we did a good approaches which ill ADD later.

I think it was almost 5 clock and when me and volcano met Mr T. ( I call him that because I forgot his name + I dont think he wants to be named in this report ). MrT is not new to the game but I think his friend was any-ways they joined us to meet up with jackal.

Fast-forward later me ,volcano and Mr T were directed to approaching in town by jackal , after like an hour we go to the bar. Where the jackal told me to approach these hot hipster girls standing across us. That when I did usual opener “hey ladies I think guys are really beautiful so just had come over and say hi” its just been two min and I was about leave the set when Mr T came into the set. That where I learned how useful wingman can be ,cuz it takes allot pressure of me so am able to flirt and make jokes with other girl. This resulted me becoming more confidence and decisive enough to go back to group after left 5 min and ask hottest girl there for number, which she did give cuz she has boyfriend

Been a while since I did a field report

I opened a girl on campus at uni directly whilst she was on the way to the gym, it was quick interaction, I told her I have seen her before and had to come and talk to her. We talked for like 30 seconds, she said she had no phone but told me to add her on fb, and later on I messaged her, but she turned out to have a bf, and said she messaged me just saying sorry. Oh well whatever.

I opened a girl on the way to tesco, with a direct opener, and I noticed she was giving stuff out, and she was promoting a night out etc, we talked about that and what she was upto this weekend saying how she was working in a bar etc, as I ejected i said to her we should meet up sometime cause i thought she seemed cool, but she apologised and said she had a bf and said she was pretty sure he wouldnt be to happy with her giving her number to me.

I opened a russian girl, but failed to stop her efficiently, she continued walking and as i was trying to talk to her she didnt seem interested and said she was in a rush.

I opened a set directly but caught her at a bad time as she was just about to walk into a building which im sure was her place of work, but i didnt really stop her properly so she kind of walked away. She gave me her name but was walkin away as she was talkin to me which is something that keeps on occurring which is something i need to work on.

I opened a set straight after and opened directly, the girl seemed a little caught off guard and was a little suprised, and i said ohneslty i think ur really pretty and i just had to come over and tell you, cause if i didnt i would of had a bad nite sleep and she laughed. i asked wat she was upto and she said that she was off to a coffee shop with her friends, but she had subway sandwich in her hand, and i asked if she was going to eat the food in the coffee shop and she laughed and was like yea i know its cheeky isnt it so i played off that for a bit and was like ur funny as if ur doin that. we continued chattin about what she was doin for the weekend with her going out with her girly friends shoppin. i said i had to go cause i was meetin with friends, but we shud hang out, she said she had a bf and i said cool whats his name and she instantly replied with his name, but i could see she was a bit gutted she had a bf cause we really did seem to click

i opened another a 2 set and opened directly and said im sure you will agree with me but ur friend is fuckin gorgeous and i just think ur really pretty and i had to come over, the girl i complemented stopped and was just lookin at me, but the other girl was like slowly walkin off and i was like what u girls upto today and the girl i didnt compliment was walkin slowly away and said we need to catch a train and the other girl said we are late to be honest and she added that there not from brum and just her for the weekend (it was sunday afternoon) so sort of believeable but watever, i ejected but all good.

I opened my last set which was a photoshoot (AGAIN haha, private sarge joke), and it basically fell flat on its face. the lads if anything seemed threatened and the girl was foreign and seemed confused. I asked if i could have a photo and they said no, so i asked if i could have a photo with the girl and they said no, and she said shouldnt u ask me that so i said well can i have a photo with u and she said no and the 2 photographers laughed at me, i said well if u do wanna take pics of me feel free, in a bit and just bailed.

In short I need to stop more efficiently, and i think i was a little unlucky cause all the girls did seem to be genuine with the bf comments.
I opened 2 other sets that i forgot to add with both of them stoppin me mid conversation and sayin they had bf and when i just said cool whats there name they said their names instantly which seems convincing enough i would say.

But overall had fun which is what its all about, and probably just fell a little unlucky on the day but whatever

Sunday day dame with Casanova, Jackal, and Don Juan

I did some approaches on Sunday, but I'm not going to talk about that. I'm going to talk about something I thought of that day to combat the fear of looking stupid. Don Juan was telling me that the biggest reason why he doesn't approach is because he's afraid of what the people around him will think. He doesn't like to draw attention to himself. Unfortunately, approaching girls is a big attention drawer. I thought of a good way to draw attention to myself, look dumb, and learn to not care what other people think: go about 5-10 feet in front of a group of people and do jumping jacks in front of them. I did it to a group of 2 girls. Then, I did it to a group of 3 old ladies. This amused Don Juan. Then, Don Juan realized that this might be a good way to help him get over his fear of embarrassment. He did jumping jacks in front of a group of 4 people and then again in front of a couple. It was hilarious. He said it helped him out. Shortly thereafter, he approached a girl.

Hey guys, i cant remember who said it, but the first 1000 approaches don't count, you are just getting a feel for it at the beginning so don't take any interaction too seriously.

And yes not caring what anyone thinks is the perfect attitude to have, not giving a fuck is so alpha and it will make girls attracted to you. But there are different levels of not giving a fuck, and it will take a lot to truly internalize this belief (i certainty haven't). There is a scale of 'not giving a fuck', for example you may be able to deal with 1 person laughing at you when you fail, but what if 10 people were laughing at you it would be harder. This is a powerful belief that will help your game immensely.

NEXT DAY

It was bright and early when I received a text from volcano asking me if wanted to join in on some sarging in town. I immediately said yes because it was good opportunity for me to see if what happened yesterday was fluke or not . My theory is PUA artiest needs to experience constant defeat before one is ready to literally own a set. The closest thing I can think of which compares to this experience is in the movie matrix where Neo finally get to his full potential and sees thing he couldn’t before.

For example after four four of mediocre results on my part I asked volcano to open this five set . Volcano opens the set and interacts with the group for while and than things start to slow down. At this moment I thought FUCK IT and entered the “matrix” . Being in that mind set I was free to say whatever I thought was funny (luckily they did too) and also while I was talking to them was I able to of my next move like ill playfully make fun of girl with nose piercing, and then do a compliance test with German girl who's giving that sexy eye. Everything went in slow motion and I felt I had absolute control .

After that met with Romeo who is a real natural in the game because he has ability to have lasting conversation with women the just met. Outside the central library while Romeo chatting to this Canadian women these two very attractive female walk toward me and volcano. This time it was my tern to open the set, and the way I opened it way by jumping in front of them with feet firm on the ground and saying “hey ladies I think guy are really beautiful so just had come over and say hi”. This approach went smoothly me and volcano were tag teaming these chickes. When I ran thing he would interject, when he run out of thing say I would interject. In end I think when great.

Hey Guys,

Hope you don’t mind me chipping in, but as a coach for quite a while now I can see a definite pattern emerging in these reports that I feel it would be friendly to point out in order to DRASTICALLY shorten your learning curve.

Being non-outcome dependent IS important, you are right. Not giving a Fuck IS important. Learning how to fail IS important.

However, non of the above will ever really help you if you are not getting your fundamentals correct (trust me I have heard the rationale you are all giving 100’s of times from students) – if you are consistently getting blown out, ignored, being told the girl has a boyfriend (from reading this I HIGHLY suspect most are lying to you I’m afraid) then there is something drastically wrong with your fundamental game that needs to be fixed before you can get anywhere near being seductive and successful.

‘Approach Machines’ who can overcome AA are often those whose seduction skills are severely lacking… they can approach a lot because they know the likelihood of actually having to take the girl to bed is miniscule. They often come from places of very low self esteem and are content with the thrill of learning how not to be blown off IMMEDIATELY like they have been for most of their lives.

What you are doing is getting you no closer to bedding women and having abundance, they are just some cognitive conditioning to help you feel better about your place in society… YOU ARE NOT SEDUCING WOMEN, CURRENTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WOMEN. How do you expect to move from pretending to be blind and doing jumping jacks to fucking any girl you like on a regular basis?!

Ask yourself, honestly, what results are you getting? – not ‘ the set went well’ I mean real results? – when did you last seduce a woman you wanted. This thread has 100’s of posts and goes back YEARS but there is absolutely no evidence of sustained success.

I am genuinely not having a go, and if it makes you happy good luck to you, but as it stands, with the methods and mindsets you are using, my experience tells me you will never get a brake-through with women. Sad to hear I know, but you need to look to your fundamentals and think again about the processes you are following. If you are not ready for that, I would look at getting your lives and minds in order away from the game and maybe look again at it when you are in a better place to re-model your game in a way that is more congruent with your true self.

I suspect you will brush this off because truth is hard to hear, but I’m hoping it won’t because I have coached too many people who arrive having wasted YEAR/CAREERS/ETC, on, essentially, exactly what you are doing.

Best of luck and beware most the confidence trick that explains itself.

Thanks dude. I will explain something. Diamonds. Subzero, and Volcano, have no need for these gimmicks as they are very successful, but have been through a similar creative process when they began. I do not advise guys who have constant success to post field reports, as I feel there is no need to. It is only the beginning stages which has a learning value. The guys who are new have huge AA, they are not ready to learn other conversational skills, due to fear of being set, getting scared to maintain conversation. With the esception of Don Juan, who has done this for years, but has huge AA issues. The new guys are not ready for SOLO sarging which I promote to build confidence. New guys do tend to believe everything a girl tells them.

I have to say I had guys who only after two hours were a able to go their own way, which was purely because they already had confidence. Whereas some guys, this kind of thing takes longer.

Bear in mind that SUBZERO and DIAMONDS were sarging 5 days a week. This is a very rare exception in this field. Because of my rigorous pushing style I do tend to attract guys who are very shy who want to learn from me. I also promote honest field reports, otherwise u would only get the nice ones, which would give a misleading picture. There are many who only post good field reports.

Daygame is hard for new guys, it takes practice to learn how to stop sets, they way I do it with kino, is not a way new guys have confidence in doing. It takes tentative steps.

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Hey man,

In a way, that is fine, BUT if nobody is posting any successes, what use are these reams of posts? Unless you are asking people to critique then they might as well right them down in a private diary.

I just worry man, I don't even know you guys but I have seen it so many times over the years, all approach and no results, which is damaging. You can't fix your deep-seated problems ( and being scared to talk to other humans is a problem, like it or not) in this way.

Are you honestly telling me that you can have sex and form relationships with almost any girl you like? can you do bathroom lays? MLTR? threesomes? etc? there is no shame in not being able to, but I do worry about the effect of (if you excuse my Jackal Pun) - THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.

I know you obviously care and your heart is in the right place, but unless you can DO, you should be extremely careful about 'Teaching' - just friendly advice.

Hi

Nice that you are concerned. My post in Meet and Wing is very honest. I have not made any specific claims. Guys who come me to have seen me in action, they can leave at any one time, they can either be impressed or choose not to be. The advanced stuff that u talk about, I have made no such claims. However teaching newbies for free, to me is no big deal. I am not going to debate semantics.

I would not be so eager to jump into any conclusions. If u have the patience you may want to read earlier field reports. I know this may be too much.

However calling me unqualified to teach beginners, has been raised before. If you want to explore that quagmire u can do a search and entertain yourself.

"Are you honestly telling me that you can have sex and form relationships with almost any girl you like? can you do bathroom lays? MLTR? threesomes? etc? there is no shame in not being able to, but I do worry about the effect of (if you excuse my Jackal Pun) - THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND."

3 of my guys have been guys that have seen me do street pick up. 3 more by recommendation by others.

In conlcusion your comments and any else for that matter is always welcome, but I doubt u can teach a beginner to do a threesome in one session, and have him replicate the skills in a continous basis. I have had guys from bootcamps, who after 20 hours are still scared to approach and carry long conversations. I am not having a go here, but for some people its takes time. I could be cruel and say can u teach any guy all your skills in 20 hours. I would not be so crass as to make such a silly comment.

I have say the above statement about being to able lay any girl, anyone who says that I have to take that with a pinch of salt.

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The Jackal an Introduction.
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The Field Reports.
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The Lay Reports.
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