Yes I had a good body language and KINO well I think. At this point, I was against a wall and she could not be closer. I hold her hand, did some stealth KINO on her crouch... I just failed on the eye-contact since she was leaning her head on my shoulder. But again, I am not that attracted to her... I sincerely don't feel like I was missing balls to kiss her. That's another thing (or am I getting played by my mind?). Am I over thinking the fact of kissing someone?

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The boyfriend was really not the problem... It's not a moral issue. But you're right somehow... I'm raising a barrier that has no reason to exist...
Makes sense to me.
I like that, it's simple and allows to escalate easily. Thanks for the tip!

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Daniel:

You may look back and rationalize that you are not that attracted to her, but your hard on would beg to differ if it could talk, I am sure.

Kissing someone can be either a random, meaningless gesture or a spectacular display of emotion, it all depends on context. Say you met a girl, take her out, find out you are very compatiable, have butterflies in your stomach, beat around the bush, escalate and know that the dfeeling is mutal. THAT kiss is gonna kick ass, and hold a lot of meaning.

converly, you get drunk, throw your tongue in a stranger or a semi attractive friend due to alchol poisioning, well yeah, that is just a kiss.

going back to the moment when you asked the german girl to kiss you, I figure you wanted to kiss her, or you wouldn't have asked?

Getting a girl into an aroused state isn't that difficult, and if you are aroused and she is letting you, she is probably aroused too. This alone is not enough to steal a kiss (well it can be, but it will be obvious if it is), especially if you are the drunk one. Try pushing and pulling women in and out of this state, the more times you can bring her to the brink of arousal and back, the more comfortable she becomes with the idea that you are arousing. At least in my experience, the more comfortable she is with you being arousing, the more likely she will not give any resistance when the time comes to push the envelope.

In night game, as you have noticed, meaningless sexual gestures are somewhat the norm. With a big enough smile and enough fun energy, humour and self respect, you can convince drunk or "women of loose morals" to kiss you or let you take them home, that is why they are out. You can also get the numbers of girls who are not so easy, and transition to daytime with them later.

In day game however, you need to escalate and de escalate in order to get to the next level. Let her know you are more than just a pair of testacles looking for a home. Without the aid of alcohol and the excuse of being out, a woman is expecting you to provide more than just humour and attractivness at some club. You need to demonstarte worth, through inner stability, interesting convo, nice clothes, self restraint (pulling the arousal back) and respect for her (and everything else women find attractive), over at least one, morel likely two or three outings.

I know some of this you are well aware of, but it never hurts to be reminded, and don't get me wrong Daniel, you are doing GREAT! It is good for you to have morals regarding women with boyfriends and women who you don't find attractive when you are sober, there is nothing at all wrong or AFC about staying true to yourself. There is also nothing wrong with feeling uncalibrated by the artists behaviour, we all would be!

Keep up the progress! Hows the working out going?

Isn't this when you'd grab her wrist and pull it down below your waistline but not directly on target? She probably would have done the rest . . . but you already knew that . . .

I do need to demystify the act of kissing someone. It's the next step for me. What you say may come without saying for some people but it's insightful for me.
Here's the point, I was actually thinking about the Game and was "enjoying" the fact that I have a power over her... (I might really like pissing them off). I don't really know if I wanted to kiss her or not, but the more I talk to you guys, the more I think I should go for it in any situation.
I truely think I had her. Even now, I just got back from a cinema with her and a friend...
Got it.
Arg, I confess I did not care about her boyfriend (more especially since I don't know the poor guy)... and I don't think it really mattered here... I mean she was already all over me, I did a nice teasing job with her since the beginning (I find the right settings). I used to be more "moralist" on that issue, but truth is, most of the girls already have boyfriends... and girlfriends just do that (kissing other guys in parties), don't they? I admit being more cynical about all this since my last breakup.
No real workout session since the last time... I've been busy between going out, journaling and working for classes. Yet I did some quick pushups at home. I need to organize myself better. I'll find time to go this week.

Thanks Insert

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... would have been good but I'm less sure about the outcome of making her come dowstairs. I have another party next Saturday. I should remember that.

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Quick Update.

Here's a quick update about my weekend.

Taking a drink with HB Colombian.
I decided to come back to HB Colombian. Do you remember her? I ended up alone with her in a mall, we got some ice-cream and spoke about going to the cinema. Well I came back to her with a small script my friend from Singapour gave me: "hey, it's been a long time, have you been kidnapped or something?". Anyways, we agreed on going to Oscar Freire Street to do some shopping and take a drink with another Colombian friend. Before going there, I approached a girl at my bus stop, she actually was at the party from the other day. She was young, not that beautiful and I did not find the right vibe. Plus she told me she had a boyfriend so I did nothing with her, just took the bus. This kind of approach is really boring. I should try some new funnier stuff.

Organizing the night.
I wanted to go out the same night but have nothing plan. I just asked my Canadian friend if he wanted to do something and he was okay for it. Since I was with the two Colombian girls, I asked them to go with us to the same bar as usual. I also received a text from Princess so I called her to come with two of her friends. I also asked the Canadian to get some people to come. I'm proud of myself since I organized all this from a café... lol. I set up the time and got people to come.

The barzinho.
I arrived there with the two Colombian girls and started to order some stuff. People joined us later. German girl, Princess, HB Colombian, there were all here. At some point, Princess wanted to sit in my laps... but she did not since they found chairs. She sat next to German Girl and I think she told Princess what I did with her at the party. Arg. Anyways, I'm supposed to go at the cinema today with her, I still have to call her to set this. I also noticed that Colombian HB was texting to someone she call "sweety", maybe her German boyfriend... Damn, she was the hottest girl that night (and she came with me)... I still need to be better at escalating no matter what... I did some nice stuff with teasing, but was not good on KINO. Ah! I need to find time to learn routines, scripts and all!

Working out, meditation, uni.
- Working out: it was hard to find some time to go to the gym this week. I really need to force myself to be better organize so I can do everything. I did some push-ups at home though
- Meditation: I'm still doing it, not on a regular basis, but I'm more and more able to concentrate and it really feels good to take that step back and observe what's going on in my head. I really enjoy that time with myself.
- University: I'm starting to have some work to do... I need to be more serious on all this. Again, it's a question of organization.

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All of them in one place? You are nuts I like it, you're doing something you think is a good idea. You're not doing it for the sake of the game, you're doing it for the sake of doing it. Did you have fun?

This is the IDEAL mentality of a university student trying to partake seriously in the social forum. BE THAT GUY, don't pretend to be him. Use your charisma to bring people together. Men, women, attractive or not. Just decent people with a need to socialize. This will pay off dividends directly to your inner state. your social worth will elevate and you will weed out the really emotionally unstable women because they have to live with you paying attention to ppl other than them.

Working out, organization, affection from women, adrenaline rush, personal achievment of any kind, will feed your inner state. A healthy inner state will give you the ability to partake in the game without any weight on your shoulders. It will give you the ability to DO EVERYTHING without any pre-exisiting disadvantage and give you an advantage over the mindstate you had before you added another achievemnt to your list.

direct effort put into self betterment = indirect positive outcome in all of life's endeavors.

It wears you out, the amount of effort you put in can be infinite if you choose to(leaving the outer environment missing out on your input).

It works in cycles. At times you will close yourself to the outside and work on the inside. When you go back outside, you are much stronger, you might now neglect the inside and flex your outer self. Work with it and accept your shortcomings when they arise. you will never be your epitome.

AFC Daniel,

Wow.

Not much more that I can say then what a progression in such a small amount of time!
I began reading your thread casually over the last week and having just finished am stunned at your stark determination, clear intelligence and ability to remain true to yourself over something which can be so trialling and very tempting to give up on.

As so many have already said, I will repeat, you are an inspiration to so many in the community; so much so that in the past week I myself have pushed myself out of my comfort zone and have managed to number close 7 different girls (reports may ensue if I gather the time and determination).
On top of that I have finally joined up after a few months of casually browsing threads on the site and I feel there is no better place to leave my posting virginity then on your thread (if you don't mind the mess ).

Keep on pressing Daniel, you had that k-close in the bag for the taking, just press out of the comfort zone and go for gold! (even if the ego trip is still a nice reward [but shh on that one])

Best of luck with the rest of the girls, I will certainly be following and hopefully can pick up some advice/give some and discuss game with you in the future.

Dego

Well I took a drink with the two Colombian girls, then we ate at the Subway and then we went at the usual bar to wait for the others. Yes I had fun but I was a bit tired at some moment.
I'm trying to be that guy, I'm really happy to organize this kind of stuff. I especially love being sociable in night game!
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It feels so good to just do the stuff you have to do... Working out, administrative stuff, approaching... It makes me proud of myself. That's what I want, and that's what is going to make me a man, no doubt about it. Avoidance, doubt, fear... are what made me an AFC for so long...

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Thanks AFCdego! Funny thing I don't think I'm going fast enough! In 3 months, I go back in France!
Yes, I have determination, and I do want to stay true to myself. Being honnest is a key element here. Yet, I don't think it is hard not to give up... The hard part might be journaling... It takes time but it's worth it. The insights guys like Hobbit, Kasabi, Insert or LyricalDream give me are priceless and really helps me to move forward.
I'm glad for you AFCdego, it feels so great to have some successes along the road. I was so happy after my first number close here in Brazil! I just hope I'll be even better in France.
lol, that was some huge ego masturbation and I'm not really proud of it in the end... but well, there are others parties this week. Let's make it real.

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DAY 56: a date at the cinema and a facebook convo.
Finally alone with a target!

Context.
Previously in AFC Daniel's journey to become a man. I had a nice convo with Princess on Facebook and managed to get her to come to the cinema with me on Monday. We did not really set up anything, but she agreed that it would be nice. I called her Monday afternoon to plan all this. I was not sure about one thing: would I be alone with her or would she come with someone? Anyway, we agreed on seeing Bruna Surfistinha together at 8.30pm.

Adressed issues.
- No real date so far!
- Escalation is still a sticking point for me! I don't get out of my comfort zone enough!
- I'm a bit anxious in date situation.

Goals.
- Escalate with her.
- Get to know her better.
- Seed another event!
- Ignore shit tests.

Strategy.
We have some stuff in common and she speaks French so I was not worried about the conversation. Furthermore I've been being kinda good at teasing lately. But I knew she likes shit testing me, I have to ignore this shit tests. Concerning the escalation, I've taken the cheat sheet I've done for the "date" at the museum with Smiling Artist.
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Buying our tickets.
I arrived at the mall, in front of the cinema. I was walking, I did not see her, she called me. She was looking pretty. I came to her, kiss her hello with a hug.
ME - How are you?
HER - Fine, I was seeing another movie.
ME - You spent the whole day at the cinema right?
She was with a friend seeing another movie and she went out before the end to meet me. Funny thing is, after seeing the movie with me, she was supposed to see another movie with her Peruvian roommates. Anyways, I was alone with her! FINALLY A DAMN DATE! We went to the cashier to take our tickets. I had a really nice interaction with the cashier. She noticed I was French and we joked a bit.
ME - Yes I'm French, but she is not. Calling her French is an insult to her.
I think that was clearly a good point and it helped me getting the right mindset for the date. I was not anxious at all since I though she would come with someone.

At the cinema.
We got into the cinema and had to choose our sits. We stopped at some point and looked at where we could sit. I was really close to her and I took the opportunity to do some stealth KINO. The back of my hand was slightly touching her crouch. We finally sat and started to talk. Some key elements:
- The movie was about prostitution and I told her that I thought about prostitution to earn some money here since everything was really expensive. I asked her "how much would you pay to have sex with me?" [scripted]. She avoided the question by telling me that someone once asked her how much she would take.
- Our seats were separated by a arm-rest that could be removed. Told her that we could remove it if we feel like we should get closer.
- At some point she told me: "are we gonna make some sexual revelations during the movie?". I was surprised but I agreed.
- Later I came back to her and said "I'm still waiting for your sexual revelations", she smiled, no answer.
We spoke a lot during the movie. We were so close during these moments... I was really close to her lips... arrrrrg.
At the end we spoke a bit about photography since she like it too. She has a small vintage camera, I told her that I ABSOLUTELY want to see her. We stayed 5 min talking about it after the end of the movie.

We went out of the cinema and I walked her to the cashier so she could buy her ticket to join her roommates. She had a scarf, I told her I have one her but I don't wear it since it's really gay here. She told me:
HER - you have to assume yourself, if you want to put your scarf, put it.[Damn, shit test in my face. "Why not being a man AFC Daniel"... lol]
ME - yeah but you know putting a scarf in summer is a bit strange... [arg, I dunno how to handle this kind of stuff.]
Then we spoke about the mall being nice and I asked her if there's a place where I can get ice-cream since "it's an orgasm to me"... It's bit lame but that's how I seeded another event with her. "We'll go together next week". I actually kissed her and hugged her twice since we already said goodbye before having the small talk on ice cream.

Facebook convo with Smiling Artist.
I got home at midnight. I logged on Facebook and Smiling Artist spoke a bit with me. Since I was not that happy about myself (I did not go outside of the comfort zone with Princess), I decided to go further with Smiling Artist.
HER - AFC Daniel, AFC Daniel, AFC Daniel, what's up?!!?
ME - hey, you never sleep? you might be the vampire in the end. I just came back to the cinema, I watched Bruna Surfistinha.
HER - again?
ME - yes, why?
HER - nothing.
ME - it's only 3R$ [1,50$]
ME - tell your many boyfriends to take you there on Monday, it's cheaper! [I wanted to know if she has a boyfriend!]
HER - hahahah
HER - my "many boyfriends"?!hahaha
ME - ... yeah, sorry, I'm stupid, who would like to date someone sooo.... annoying!
HER - but if i do this i will be tired of this movie
HER - there is so many boyfriends..
HER - hahaha
We spoke a bit about the movie and I said:
ME - are you trying to make me go with you Smiling Artist?
ME - seeing a movie three time is a lot actually...
HER - hahahahaha
HER - no no
HER - I'll never do that
HER - gathering two annoying people: one really annoying (you) and me? No no...
ME - haha, I'm sure you speak during the movies.
We spoke about another movie and at some point she said:
HER - (this is not an invitation, just wanna be clear on that)
ME - lol, I was joking Smiling Artist [I backed down a little, I dunno if she was joking or being serious.]
HER - hahaha me too.
ME - I have already enough girlfriends to see Bruna twice! ;p [why did I say that?]
HER - Good for you.
HER - but I understand. Someone like you, soo charming...
Anyways, I left Facebook to go to sleep.

Results: I got to know Princess better and I had a nice time with her. I enjoyed it, and I think she did too. I successfully seeded another event and she actually wrote on my wall on Facebook about the ice-cream place she knows here. Yet, I did not escalate as much as I should I think. Plus her shit tests are crazy.

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On the cinema.
Arg! I'm a bit mad about myself... I was happy about the date while on the date... but once in the bus, I started to think about it... why not asking her what she thinks about this or this sexual position from the movie? Why not KINOing even more? Furthermore, this movie is sooooo sexual, that was a perfect environment to escalate... Yet I think I got closer to her. But damn, I need to get out of my comfort zone... but I'm just not used to it... I don't think about taking her hand and stuff! I was not enough prepared for this date... I should have thought about more routines to escalate.

On the Facebook convo.
I did not feel really comfortable about it I confess... but it was good to step out of the my comfort zone and escalate a little. I tried to have more info on her relationship status but again... it's hard to read. I'll just let her come to me and I'll see.

On the Game.
- Being social with third parties really helped me on getting a good state of mind.
- Shit tests are killing me. I need to be better at handling them.
- I was not enough prepared... I need to learn scripted stuff by heart to escalate at any point.

Questions to move on.
- How to handle shit tests? Ignoring them? (I'll check for some material on the forum when I'll have time)

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Hey Daniel, seems clear that the kiss close is your next sticking point.

Now look how you blasted your way through the number closes. You just picked a routine and went with it.

So just apply this to the kiss close. Do a search on THESE forums.

Ideally, you shouldn't have to verbalise it. Just gaze into her eyes and go for it. But there are plenty kiss close routines out there. The one in 'TheGame' is the best known. So pick a couple of kiss close routines and just go for it!

Quit this self-sabotaging... Take that risk.

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AFC Daniel. Just to let you know I was intending on creating a thread similar to this.
I am new to game and thought this might be a good way to get a lot of sound advice from guys with a bit more experience.

However

Having seen yours, I have decided against it. The effort you seem to be putting into your game and even your posts; take it as a compliment that I think I'd rather just be involved in your thread. I will be reading every post from now on.

Much respect.

Daniel, I'm sorry but I hated your facebook convo with Smiling Artist.

The question to ask was really clear:"Do you have a boyfriend? Who was that guy you came with?", instead you kept beating around the bushes, and you got no answers. All the convo seems very weird to me. I am even uncomfortable reading it...

Hopefully next time you see her, you'll raise your value again and she'll forget about that convo...