It might be too forward of me to be giving out advice, only being in the night club field twice since I started learning PUA, but I might be able to help so why not?

You're doing what I caught myself doing last time, being too forward and not instigating conversation. I'm speaking to you as I'm speaking to myself for the most part, although I usually get a smooth natural opener in first.

*You're taking away her fun by showing that you're interested in her sexually - you want to dance. Slow yourself down, give her a bit of time to reply- but not too much that you'll lose the conversation. Or if you want to be spontaneuous and get a dance immediately see my next bullet, theres a great bit in the youtube video
*Qualify her before showing overt interest. I'm learning about this now. Here's a link to a YouTube segment, watch from here forward, it has a GREAT way to get a girl on a dance floor somewhere between this point and the end. Note, this starts off with a "sped up" qualification, you usually wouldn't do them so fast back to back, build rapport inbetween http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFO5Da82 ... e&t=56m44s
*Work on Push/Pull after qualification, the two seem like they would be powerful together and make you look more selective, not so available.
*Slow down communication, body language. Make everything you say sound more important than it is.

Again, I'm just giving you thoughts from what I'm going to be trying from here on out, but I think it's the right path.

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This isn`t much of a field report, but let`s break it down for the sake of it.

Last night I was playing poker at my house with my friends, when I start getting texts from Euge, one of the girls I got her number a long time ago on a nightclub and wrote a bit about it in here.

It was 2:30 am and she texted: You never texted me again.

Last thing I said to this girl was that she seemed bipolar, because of how she reacted to some things, and it all ended with her sending me to fuck off.

To this text my reply was: If I see you is only to kiss the shit outta you.
She laughs and says to me the nightclub she was heading at that moment. Of course this was an invitation, so I told her I was stopping by the door at the nightclub; I had no intention to go there for real. I am not going to chase a girl who only texts me when she`s horny to kiss a guy on the club and be for sure.

She tells me that she`s still drinking at her friends place, that I could call her if I wanted. Didn`t after an hour or so, in wich I called and told her I was at the front door, if she wanted to come outside. She says she can`t get back in if she goes out so I tell her we talk tomorrow.

Now I don`t know if what I did was right or wrong, but after all the things I`ve read so far on this forum, chasing a girl around can`t be good, specially when you did chased her once and she wasn`t responsive, even sended you to fuck off.

I rather be alone then with a girl using me if it isn`t just for sex.

Goals:

Even thou it`s saturday night I`m not going out because I got the flu. This is a shame for two reasons: I have to admit I grew love for the night outs, chilling with my friends and specially talking to girls and strangers. Lucky for me, my mind believes that pick up is actually fun, and I love that mentality.

The other reason is that, after a nice talk on the chatroom with Pumpington, he managed to break down the mystery method for me and apply it to the field, and recommended me to do so for a few months and only that.

We all know what people think these days about the MM, but I don`t feel in title of sharing if I haven`t actually tryied the method properly yet.

So from now on I`m going to stick to the plan of getting good rapport by using that method and all the closes I can get.

Bond out.

It`s been a while...

Where do I begin?

Oh, yeah! Remember the girl that gave me her facebook on my last report when I went out to a nightclub?
I managed to build really nice comfort via text, I won`t be giving details on how it went, but what you basically need to know is that she finally agreed to meet up with me.

I have to admit that while I was talking about tons of things with this girl via text I couldn`t help but remember what kasabi told me about removing fear. I can`t stress enough how hard this girl put it to me, and we never even meet up. It makes me feel frustration, but it`s ok because I feel I learned somethiing out of it.

As I was saying: This girl made really clear for me that, even thou you might got a number on the dancefloor that doesn`t mean the girl isn`t affraid of you.

Here is my take on it: you can cold approach as much as you want, but I can`t explain to you enough how much fear women feel about strangers. I usually thought that it was a normal thing to do, being social and getting to know people. Well, turns out it takes time and effort, and in some cases even harder.

Gotta admit that I used the being as specific as I could method kasabi recommended and worked as a charm, we connected with tons of topics and details about stuff, but I got to the point where I had to see her and told her so, because I believe I built enough confidence for a day 2. She agreed that night on text.

But for some reason, the next day via text again, I told her not to make plans for next tuesday, that I was stealing her for 2 hours and perhaps we could visit an attraction park, I really like those places. She told me her dad was comming to the city and that she usually spends her time with him when he`s around. This was a very cold conversation and the last. She never texted back nor intiated conversation via text or facebook. I`m not talking to this girl anymore, I wish I knew where did I fucked up, but honestly, I built so much comfort and when I finally wanna arrange a date for us to meet and see how that goes, girl flakes.

This doesn`t mean I`m giving up on playing game, I`m exposing myself out there with girls and I like it. I believe I`m learning but there are still tons of details about people I don`t understand. The amount of fear this girl showed to meet up with a stranger was incredible. I won`t make a rule out of this one girl, but it`s an indicator.

On a side note, I went out two nights ago again to a nightclub that was absolutely crowded, some dude pushes me at one point, I push back and dude hits me with his elbow on my back as he was passing through the crowd next to me, I almost got in a fight but it wasn`t worth it, told the guy it was all cool. I just arrived there an hour and a half before that and didn`t wanted to get kicked out, besides I don`t know how could that fight develop. I might have had my ass kicked by that guy, so I don`t regret my call.

Have to admit thou that I wasn`t in the mood, sober and almost getting in a fight with so many people around was kinda hostile for me, I made almost zero approach; just had a simple conversation with a girl that was ahead of me getting through the crowd. My opener: "Wow! You really know how to dodge guys, Imma get behind you. You are saving me half an hour."
She laughs and tells me: yeah! Place is so crowded you can`t even walk around here.
Then she gave me her glass of scotch and coke, I grabbed the drink and asked: what kind of poison you`ve putted in here?
She said: nothing, just whisky. So I toke a sip, went outside with her and gave her the glass back.

After that I was talking to my friend, there was a band playing that in spanish would mean something like: my bad. For when you call yourself on a mistake you made; so this girl passes by, hears me out saying my bad while the band was playing and says to me: Oh! Nice joke uh? My bad, yeah.

She thought that I was talking to her and asking her to forgive me for giving her a hard time getting through.
Right after that I told her: Yes, my bad. But I was talking to him. I point at my wing, she looks at him and wants to say something to me as a comeback but just kept going.

A part of me believes that this girl was calling my attention for some reason, perhaps she was into me being really optimistic; but I have to admit that this kind of aggresive approach by women makes me wanna talk to them in a really aggresive way.

This was my biggest insight: my wing told me that he sees me interacting with girls and that I`m too imposing; like in an aggresive way. The kind of approach that makes girls feel threatened.

This can`t be right, if girls are so affraid of guys talking to them, imagine their reactions when a guy aggresive like me goes in.

This reveals some defense mechanism I have for myself going that it`s limiting me in tons of ways, not only pick up.

This is a frustrated Bond writting, but an honest one also. I can take this bullet, I`m going to get better with time. Thanks to some nice feedback in here I`m beginning to understand a bit of the social dynamic that surrounds me.

GOALS:

Since I`m not naturally good removing fear from girls I thought I needed to practice this a bit more.

It is my new goal to talk to girls in a less aggresive way, more in a calm and humble one, playing the I`m a shy guy instead of being so damn cocky when I`m not actually once you get to know me.

My plan for doing this is starting to apply some Mystery Method Pumpington recommended me on the chatroom to practice for a few months. This is basically: open; search for 3 ioi`s, kino scalation and isolation after getting those ioi`s and the making the girl qualify.

Once I passed the hook point I believe there is enough confidence with the girl and me and that would be my goal in the short term.

I don`t want to write more goals for now because I need to take it one step at a time, for now I will only remove fear from girls in my talk; after being natural at it I will try and make them exited about me.

Hey Bond, I managed to read all your journal over the past few days.

This quote got me by Kasabi: This is a total limiting belief I have, completely and utterly nail on the head felt Kasabi was describing me. If it hit the same way for you, then we really are similar personality types. If I expand a little more, I think I'm always worried about being what the girls wants me to be and offering what she's looking for, I think I have a very catering personality type, which has it's up and it's downs, ups for socialising, downs for getting girls. I think Kasabi described it well in one of your encounters with Euge (I think?), you ended up losing control of what you wanted to do, and you ended up being played almost like the girl should. I think this happens to me quite a lot, mainly as I'm looking to please and not let people down, possibly something similar you experience?

I'll definitely stay up to date with your journal now.

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There is something really awesome going on in my life and I don`t know what changed besides practicing meditation.

So I just did my first day game approach on a mall, even thou it`s already night lol.

Happened less then 20 minutes ago, as I`m walking getting my meal I notice a girl going the opposite way I was, she looks at me with a smile in her face. I smile back =)

Then I`m at another part of the mall and she asks for meat after me, than she comes by next to some tapas I was choosing, looks at me and smiles again and this is when I knew I had to talk to her:

"Excuse me, have you ever tryied these before?" While showing her the package I was holding.

She: Nope, but I`m sure it`ll taste just fine.
With this great smile on her face, I loved it.

There isn`t much to say to this, only that this was my first daygame approach on a mall, but I felt confident as fuck asking her opinion on that shit, but I do know I need to have a real interaction with the girl. This was merely an opener. Still wanted to share.

Glad I have a new reader in this topic, welcome artful. You and I can go a long way into this pick up stuff =)

In regards to fear:

It exists. . . that's all you really need to know. Some girls are naturally more timid than others while some are natural daredevils. You do your part to remove her fear and then move along to the next segment of your presentation. EXCITEMENT. Then you move along to the hook. "Let's do it." She says no? OK . . . call her back later and repeat the process. Find other girls and repeat the process. For now, don't let your 'mind reading' hold you back. "I think she's this. I think she's that. She doesn't want to go out with me. She wants to go home. She likes me. She doesn't like me. Wait, I thought she liked me 5 minutes ago. No. . . I bet she's half way between liking me and not liking me." - No. . . you run the show and you continue the show. It doesn't matter that the audience boos, claps, or heckles. You just run it.

“Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art.” - Andy Warhol

"Excitement" is not born of a vacuum. You don't simply pounce an idea onto somebody and expect him/her to go crazy for it. The reason? Everybody loves their OWN IDEAS the best, even if it's not really their idea. . . People want to feel as if they are part of the decision making process. They want to feel that they add value. This perception is often more exciting than the 'event' itself.

Excitement tends to 'brew'. Think of any scene in a movie where a group that comes up with an idea. They don't all go crazy for it right away. They bounce ideas back and forth. People make suggestions. Some ideas get tossed out. Other ideas get discussed further . . . and the excitement builds.

Begin with a few solid date plans. As as a PUA, you should have a few, everywhere you go, right at your finger tips and the tip of your tongue. You should be able to rattle them off right away. If you've been doing this for a while, these date ideas will pop out of your memory because you've done them so many times with so many people. If not, then create them and instill them in your memory. And don't let anybody tell you that this is not spontaneous or boring. even the most spontaneous and adventurous people you know stick to their patterns. Sure, they might not order the same thing at the same restaurant all the time but they're also not trying different things every day.

Now think of a bubble. . . this is her 'excitement bubble'. All you're trying to do is tap around this bubble to find your way-in to her excitement. You don't unload every detail of a date plan. You don't even mention a date. You don't even mention an event. You just story tell. If a topic doesn't interest her, let it go and try another. If she introduces a topic that interests her, then go with it. Then you continue to associate those topics towards a date. Very basic example:

Music - weak interest
Politics - no interest
Holidays - some interest - so you go with it.
Skiing - no interest - but she still likes holidays so you introduce another holiday idea.
Beaches - Lots of interest - so you introduce specific beaches.
Hawaii - No interest
Greece - Lots of interest and she tells you a story of her trip in 2009. Now you ask, ask, and ask. Restaurants, clubs, islands, sailboats. Which topic interest her the most?
A club filled with backpackers from all over the World - She goes blah, blah, blah about it and you go - Hey, you ever hear of _______ club? (A club you can associate with the things she mentioned)

Essentially, you want to make her go, "Wow, that sounds awesome!"

^Pretty simple once you get a hang of it.

Finally I have the time to write this one down:

Last friday events:

The actual field report will be written describing my date with this girl I met at a club a long time ago, but kept posposing it untill this last friday.

So I finally managed to take her out for some drinks; that same night I had one of my best friends birthday so I told her I couldn`t be with her for more than 2 hours. She`s ok with it.

The first few things that happened were a mess, I couldn`t get money out of the cash dispenser, then I had chosen a specific place for us to have drinks, but when I arrive alone the waitress tells me it`s full. Fuck.

So I met her and asked her if she knew another good place over there, she said she does but thinks the place`s closed. So I choose another one that it`s cool, not the one I was looking for thou but cool enough.

We only got place at the bar, so we both sat there. Now this girl is shy, totally shy but I knew this. So after a bit of an awkward silence in the beginning I started asking her questions and she started talking to me a lot.

I noticed two things while drinking beer with this girl: 1. I need to work on my body language in order to invite girls to come near me and get closer.
2. I tend to connect with girls about topics that are a bit down energy like family, career, and things that worries people. This can`t be the meaning of being a fun guy. So I need to work on my conversation topics.

As I was saying, the girl was shy and she seemed tired, not a very good image I like to see on people I`m going out with, but lucky for me I managed to have a nice convo with her and have a good time.

This was my night`s goal: just to chill and have fun with her.

With this in mind I didn`t even went for the kiss, wich makes me a pussy but at some point in our interaction via text I told her something among the lines of "I might steal you 2 hours of your time and maybe a kiss."; to wich she replied: "I`m a bit old school, I don`t like things rushed."

So that basically fucked me up, now all I can think about is that next time I see her, I HAVE to make a move, otherwise she`ll see me like a dude who`s not interested.

All I can say by now is that I like this girl enough to keep seeing her, and I want to have a day 3 as soon as possible for the sakes of practice.

Another goal I should have with this is to go out with more girls at the same time, I can`t be always depending on one single girl and her answers. It`s a wonderful big world out there and I`m limiting myself to see one chick at a time. That can`t be right. More dates, more girls, more fun.

The rest of the evening was awesome, I went with her to the bus stop, she jumped in on one and we kissed on the cheek. Then I went to my friends birthday with the highest energy on the place and people loved it. I only stayed there for two more hours and then came back home.

Peace.

^Wow, what a waste of effort. I had hoped that a few experienced members would chime in and help your cause. This forum lately has been hijacked by a bunch of 15 year old porn masturbators. . . and it's mostly the reason why I rarely post in this forum other than to suggest a few ideas to those who put effort into their progress. Absolutely disappointing.

*By the way, you will do well by reading Chief's old posts about his outer game. It is what separates what does not work with what does work. (Nobody in that 'mistake thread' knows the difference)

Actually I`m really happy you linked me there. It shows that pick up is so huge that different guys have different experiences practicing it.

I don`t know if I`ll be stating this correctly, but what`s amazing is that, for an unknown reason, tons of guys have not only different, but opposed experiences practicing this; this makes me love PUA even more.

I will do read Chief`s guide to outer game, even thou I did before I will do it again and actually apply it for a change, what I want you to do is not to take the answers that topic had personally or hell, not even as an attack.

You bring a lot of value to this community and I`m not talking just about me, there is a reason why I listen to your advice. I like new approaches on things, helps me see the bigger picture, a thing often times I miss.

In any case, I don`t see any waste, I only see something to learn about =)

Okay Bond, since your PM, let's take this one post at a time whenever I have free time to dissect and analyze your long posts.

Keyword: Learn from your mistakes.
Stop this self induced negative conditioning. Instead, think of a positive attribute of yours and like a Coca Cola tv commercial, keep repeating that to yourself-- in written form, spoken form and thought form.

This positive trait does not need to be related to seducing women.
The good thing with women is that you can fuck up several times and yet still f-close them at a future date. Start with the basics though before we delve into Peak Ovulation Theory and Booty Call Theory; and how to exploit these to your advantage.
If you can carry on a conversation with a woman for more than 10 minutes, then you're basically in. Likewise, you managed to isolate her with a follow up date, so your seduction skill is better than most MPUAForum newbies.
When a girl does nice things for you like driving you home, she finds you sexually attractive. Always keep that in mind.
Only make plans for active things that you can control. When interacting with women, you should not plan for passive things.

You read her body language and react to it. If her body language shows that she wants a kiss the first 2 minutes in your date, you have to go ahead and do it.

Again: You should only plan for ACTIVE things that you can control.
Now, this is planning for ACTIVE things.

As you can see, not everything goes as planned. This is normal in all real world plans. The key is on to how to react to the situation at hand so the general planning goal will work. Planning is dynamic but the goals will almost always remain the same; most of the time anyway.
This is a subtle, but very positive indicator that the girl wants to help you kiss close her. Most of the time, PUAs initiate the isolation bounce. A girl who starts the isolation bounce (instead of you doing it yourself) wants your cock very badly. Do not EVER forget this in the future.

Let's cut the analysis at this point and let the most important concepts sink in. Information overload is bad for you.

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^This is good.

I find this very hard to write and not sounding like I`m bragging about this report, actually it was a waste but it`s worth to mention it:

Yesterday, as I was walking by a park in order to get to my job (I live a block away from that big park and my job is 6 blocks away from my place), I see a guy and a girl my age walking by, they are obvious tourists. Every day I see tourists taking pictures at that park because it`s really beautiful and buildings have a great structure too.

Anyway, I walk next to the guy, who was walking faster than the girl, leaving her behind for a couple of feet; the guy is looking at me, I keep on walking and I look at the girl; she was looking at me too. As I cross her she says to me: "Hi daddy." After my suprise I said: " Hi." Keep on walking and she keeps looking at me and saying something between the lines of: "You are hot daddy."

A man, sitting on a bench and listening to it all laughed and told me: Oh my!, I said to him: This is a nice way of starting my day.

I believe the girl was from Cuba or Venezuela, couldn`t tell.

The rest of the day I noticed how that episode reflected on my ego and the boost it gave. After giving it some thought, I find that it`s a common mistake I make to feel a boost out of those things. It`s validation seeking and makes me desperate, I must stop doing that.

This was another case in wich the girls shows interest in me shamelessly and I don`t react at all, I don`t ask for a number nor I approach. I should have kiss closed her right then and there, as if there is no tomorrow.

A really weird field report. Just wanted to post it here.

You're on to a good start writing down your positive experiences which are directly related to your positive traits. Next time though, enjoy and write down the positive experience 100% without negative dampener words like 'bragging' or 'waste' of time.

Just be factual about your positive experiences and enjoy those 100%. Filter out any negative opinions that you think other people will have about the positive factual events that are happening in your life.

When you feel good, this feel good feeling seeps out of your pores and positively affects other people. You will naturally project a positive, fun vibe and most people (especially girls) will sense this and would love to be around you.

With this approach, you will not just be a good looking dude with a huge cock to girls BUT you will be a fun, sexy and good looking dude with a big cock and hopefully, fucks with the stamina of a Shaolin Kung Fu monk.

That should be your mindset when you're out sarging.
Ah yes. I live 3 blocks away from a small park and public transport terminal and several buildings away from a science college. It'll take you just a few minutes to get to your sarging venues at the perfect times when girls are not too busy if you work normal hours and take breaks or logout from work during typical non-work hours.
Think of positive experiences like these throughout the day most specially during very stressful times at work or at school. Repeat things like these in your mind many times until you get used to the fact that girls find you hot. So when a girl tells you straight to the face that you're handsome or hot, your body language will project a vibe that you're so used to hearing those words from women.

And when you actually hear those words from women you can say something like, "Thank you. I think you're hot too. You just made my manhood rock hard and throb like a wild stallion making love to a demure Chihuahua with pink ribbons and a pure heart." Calibrate this line. If she's eye fucking you when she says you're hot, say it like you say this all the time. I use this in the vernacular infield so you'll need to paraphrase.

Read up on the sexual parts of one or two erotic romance novels and use some of those words when you paraphrase the mental images. The keys are to mentally create an image of your cock in her mind and feed her thoughts about sexual intercourse between a masculine influence (a horse) and a feminine one (a toy dog that women love).

If she's not eye fucking you when she says the compliment or she's ejecting or you're ejecting from the interaction because you're busy with something, just say, "I know" and then follow it up with, "I think you're a fun and interesting person but I have to submit a concept paper at law school a few minutes from now. Let's exchange numbers so we can have fun one of these days."

Here's one important side note. After you say, "I know" a girl will usually reply with a nonverbal cue like a giggle. Let her giggle for a few seconds or if she initiates a convo, let her talk and then number close.
Calibrate before you do any kiss close. Look for the nonverbal cues like triangular gazing to your lips or cock, her eye fucking you for 10 seconds or so, her initiating the kino, etc.

Also prepare a verbal and nonverbal routine to number close for a day 2 in case you don't see any nonverbal cues for the kiss close. When your killer instincts are not yet sharp, you'll need these verbal and nonverbal routines until everything becomes automatic when you see the trigger nonverbal cues for each specific reaction.

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