hey Chopper,

great thread so far. i love hearing about people challenging themselves, and willing to both celebrate the victories and admit their shortcomings--just from your posts i can tell that if you continue down this path and with this attitude that you will ultimately be very successful.

i, too, struggle with continuing conversations (esp. in bar/club scenes) after the opener. my best solution has been either cutting the opener thread before it even becomes REMOTELY stale and transitioning with something like, "hey i have to run, but let me show you something, you seem like interesting people, and i think you'll appreciate this..." from there, i usually throw out a quick, non-card "magic" trick (either quick cold reading, palm reading, mentalist number games, ESP, Mystery's straw levitation, coin tricks etc. all great hooks, in my opinion.) if done correctly, it can really make people go "wow, where the fuck did you come from? i'm so glad you started talking to us." i won't spoil Neil's challenges for you, but you'll see what i'm talking about in the next few days.

its funny, because i definitely think the hardest part of PUA is consistently hitting the "hook point,"--it really is so hard to bridge the gap between stranger and friend. to be honest, i don't even think the Stylelife challenge does justice to how difficult it really is to defeat the typical HBs objection, "ok, you asked me a quick question, but how long are you really going to talk to me?" i intend to write an entire PUA book on this challenge someday. but short term, i've found that social proof (esp. female social proof), some out of the ordinary tricks and conversation topics, and a positive, non-needy attitude, have fueled some of my best pick-up and subsequent best friendships.

look forward to future posts, friend.
-Shaman

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You have a great attitude. You're seeing all the positive things in every situation. You motivate me even more. I was actually thinking of you today how you approached 5 people and have some small talk with them, so I did the same.

Have a great day. Hope you feel comfortable when your place is all cleaned up.

Thank you for the advice Shaman, this is very helpful. Reading your post reminded me that I bought the book "Easy Mind Reading Tricks" a while back, so I found it today and picked out a great one that I will use next time I am running out of things to say in set.

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That's great that you approached the five people...did you find that it was surprisingly easy to make a quick conversation with them?

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Day 3
I laughed out loud when I read the StyleLife challenge today. Not only am I not allowed to shower/shave, I also had to call random numbers in the phone book to try and get a movie suggestion. This took A LOT longer than I expected...it took me about 45 mins just to get three people to suggest a movie to me. I basically said:
"Hi, is [insert girls' name] there?"
"Who?"
"Oh, I think I called the wrong number, but you can help me anyway. I'm looking for a movie to see tonight, have you watched a good one recently?"

Some of the rejections I got were:
"No sir, we are a computer store. Sorry sir" *hang up*
"No. I'm busy now OK!" *hang up*
"You asking wrong guy. I never seen movie in my life. You want to waste your time, so be it." *hang up*

These really annoyed me when the people said this. I was thinking "Dammit just say one freaking movie and I'll hang up! Why are you such a stuck up asshole!" But now, looking back on them, they make me chuckle at the people. I think this an important point to make about actual game: The rejections might hurt at first, but you will laugh about them later. Then, when I get better, I will be able to laugh off the rejections as they happen.

The actual movie suggestions went like this:
- I called a flower store, and a gay guy was super excited to tell me all the movies he's seen recently. "Well, I thought the new Iron Man was great. And Robin Hood was pretty good..." I had to cut him off so he wouldn't talk forever! Haha
- A lady said, "Well I really like kids movies, so I would suggest Shrek the 4th. It was my favorite in the whole series!"
- And the last girl needed some prompting:
Me: "...wrong number, but you can help me anyway...blah blah"
Her: "No I haven't seen any movies recently" (kinda mad)
Me: "Well what's a good one that you've heard of?"
Her: "I haven't"
Me: "What's your favorite movie of all time? Maybe I'll rent it."
Her: "Gladiator" *she hangs up*

So, it is not an easy task to catch people off guard from their normal routine (just like Shaman mentioned above), even if it will take 10 secs out of their time. I realized at the end that being very high energy helped me get a response out of the people that I wanted. I think it showed more passion and that I really wanted an answer from them.

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hey really enjoy reading your tread you seem a natural and deffo goin 2 have no trouble getting threw the style challenge!! im new to all this too and am going to start a tread similar when i get the balls to actually do it but im deffo going to use you as inspiration and a guide to how to do it from scratch the correct way!!

ANGEL IRELAND

You know, this is truly inspiring.

Keep the good shit up, man!

Mr. Moviefone is not that simple. Especially when u live in London.

I asked my friend to provide me some of his friends number whom I dont know.
1st call. A blond chick
Me: "Hi Sophia, Im Alex. Listen I gonna go to movie tonight please advise me a good one. I trust you!"
Her: "Ehh Im not Sophia"
Me: "Hmm who are you then?"
Her: " Im Liza! Who are you?"
Me: "Im Alex! He since you are on the line, just mention a good movie u like!"
Her: "I dont go to cinemas, I dont know any movies"
Me: "You must know a movie. Just mention a good one"
Her: "No I cant because I dont know anyone"
Me: "Wow! It looks like we are both equally useless. Well, whats the last movie u saw?"
Her: "I dont know I cant remember"
Me think: "You gotta be fucking kidding me!!"
Me: "You dont know ANY, nothing?"
Her: "No Im sorry"

She was so serious and she wasnt lying. I can tell it from the tone of her voice. What an experience for me

2nd call a dude
Me: "Hey Simon its Alex! Im going to cinema tonight please help me to suggest a movie!"
Him: "Im not Simon! Who are you?"
Me: "Oh sorry I got wrong number, but u seem to be a good guy since we are on the line please help me to find a good movie."
Him: "Is this a joke?"
Me: "No Im not because I am acutally going out tonight."
Him: "Ohh ok well. Robin Hood sounds great."
Me: "Thanks man!"

Woho 1 movie!

2nd movie suggestion took me over 50min. People either dont understand english or they just dont have a clue for whats going on in the local cinema. Insane! So a girl replied my missed call with a text. I texted her back to ask a movie suggestion however I think I dialed a wrong number. She wrote maybe not, I texted yes because I knew I did a typo but I really need help with movie recommendation and she replied Sex and the City 2. LOL. Done my sms

3rd movie took me another 40 min which I never got the title. I spoke to the guy like in 5 min and he didnt know the actors but he knew the plot. Man seriously people here in London need to go out a bit more or take some hardcore english lessons.

The test took me like 2 hours to complete.

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Keep trying...

I know what you mean Nightsong. It sounded so easy when reading about it, but it ended up taking a very long time!

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Night 3
I just went to play pool with some new friends, so no gaming happened tonight.

Tomorrow I am doing some actual day game (not just StyleLife challenge), and maybe my first direct daygame approach. I'm a bit nervous just thinking about that.

"Ordinary things done consistently produce extra-ordinary results."
- Matt H

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Inspiring read Chopper Sixx!

I think you're doing great. 3 Days in and it seems like you have learned a tonne of lessons already. You're convincing me to do something like this myself.

Keep it up


wowo

Pleasure to meet you.

You think out of more than three dimensions.

...I think we can do business.
You fought your natural urge to BE.
You didn't want to do what WORKED, you wanted to do what YOU THOUGHT worked.

THINKING outside the MOMENT precedes failure of all planned movement, as you've acknowledge.

So far, so good...
"Applause"
"Orchestral Applause!!!"
Now that's maximizing your moment, and making the ONLY GOOD USE of the PAST: A documented record of an event in a file cabinet.
This post alone contains the answer to all of man's problems.

Chopper Six: If I ask you to do one thing for yourself, do this: Stay consistent, stay in the moment, and never second guess yourself.

If you follow your plan to the teeth, you will become the PUA people examine to learn of the skill. All you need to do...

...is NOW.

Rune: Your advice is incredible, I will remind myself of it every day.

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Day 4
Topics: Approach anxiety, Direct day game

The StyleLife challenge for today was pretty fun. I had to open three women and ask for a cool clothing store recommendation. First I opened a two set (maybe a mother/daughter) and said "You look like you can help me. I'm new to the city and I'm looking for a cool clothing store that has menswear...do you have any suggestions?" They said that they were not from around here, but suggested I go two streets over because they saw some clothing stores there.

The second person was a HB6.5 walking alone, I said "Hi, I'm not from around here so maybe you can help me..." but right away she said "I'm from Houston so I probably won't be much help." I started to thank her and walk away, but she said "But ask me anyway, maybe I can help." So I asked her, and realized I was standing outside of an Urban Outfitters, so I changed the end to "And I've already checked out Urban Outfitters so do you know any others?" She didn't.

Last set was HB6.5 alone in an American Apparel (clothing store). I said "You look like you can help me," she was interested, and I kept going and she was very helpful. She gave me directions to the mall, and kept talking and talking. I realized this was because I wasn't saying much, just looking in her eyes, so the pressure was on her to continue the conversation. I remember hearing this as a good trick when you can't think of anything to say. I even said, "Ok, awesome, you've been a big help." and she apologized to me like she didn't help me enough. For some reason, she felt a lot of pressure during the interaction, and I didn't. The roles were reversed!

So that was the easy part of the day. I decided to go one step further and go to the mall she gave me directions to. I was feeling pretty good, and wanted to try my first direct day game approach. I walked around the mall for an hour. During that time, I missed maybe 4 sets that I could have done it on but had major anxiety about going direct. Also, 3 of those 4 sets had more than one person, so direct is even harder. Finally, after one hour, I was passing a lone wolf HB7 and said "Excuse me, this may be a bit strange, but I think you're adorable and I had to say hi. I'm [Chopper]." She was caught really off guard, even was a bit wide-eyed, and she was out of breath from having just walked up a flight of stairs. She hurriedly said "Oh, thanks." I didn't plan far enough ahead of what to go into next, so I said "So what are you doing here today?" She said "Going here" and pointed to the store we were standing in front of. She looked like she wanted to leave, and I was nervous as fuck, so I said "Well, have a good day, just take this as a compliment." *light arm kino*

So, I am very happy that I got my first direct approach out of the way, even though it didn't exactly last long. The areas for improvement are that I spoke too fast, and I was very nervous so she probably was too ("whatever you feel, she feels"). But, the next one will be a little bit better and I had to start somewhere!

There is also another important thing to notice about today. The approaches where I just went in and made conversation (in this case, about the clothing store) were EASY. Then the approach where I went in directly was EXTREMELY HARD. I have to bridge the gap between those two kinds of approaches, and realize that in both cases she is a part of MY world and she is lucky to be talking to me. This will take some work.

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I don't understand why you are even doing direct approaches. Whose idea is that? What good does it do you or the girl you approach? Is this some kind of exercise that somebody suggested? I just don't get it, so please explain it to me. I'm not attacking here, I earnestly want to know if there is some information here that I need to know for my own game.

Direct approach means that you are telegraphing your intentions. It just seems to socially awkward to approach a stranger like that. In my own game I always start with indirect approach and end up somewhere between indirect and direct when I number close.

Curious to hear your reply on this one

Clozer